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      Dream State Self Defense

      I wandered in here out of curiosity as to whether or not there is anyone else here that has had experiences close to mine. I've had out of body experiences my entire life. I never had to use any techniques or "learn" how to do it. I've also been a sensitive and had a very broad spectrum of paranormal experiences. Presumably, those who believe in OBEs and the multiple phases & dimensions of existence also recognize that these "other" realms have their own environmental features including inhabitants & threats. I read a couple of threads that asserted that the paralysis terror experience is false in that it is simply normal fear associated with an unfamiliar experience. I believe that, in the interest of avoiding a serious disservice to readers (potentially putting them in harms way) these posts should be modified to disclose that, while sometimes they may be this simple fear of the unknown.... these experiences are not always benign. I can testify that negative entities can sometimes take advantage of this 'between state' and can apparently induce or prolong this paralysis. A person can fight back but it is very difficult, and takes practice.
      In reading forums like this, I see a lot of teaching about achieving astral projection experiences (which are very close to lucid dreaming experiences- and are often, in essence, a simultaneous experience), but I don't see enough about self-protection in an experience that is fraught with peril. This is like encourage people to hike out into the jungle without first educating them about the dangers that exist there. I have also read about the ritualistic things that people can to do here, in the physical world, that will supposedly protect them from being "overshadowed", "possessed", or otherwise accosted, but these concepts do not really address learning about and mastering techniques that person can use for self-defense while IN the spiritual realm. As a consequence, I've been having to learn this on my own... more or less the "hard" way, that is... through trial and error. Fortunately, I have learned a good amount... and am gaining some genuine ability..... but, ultimately, I would be interested in comparing notes with someone else who seriously knows what I am talking about.... and has experienced it first hand. Take my word for it.... dark creatures are real... up to and including demons of varying strength & intensity, and with varying ability to affect the physical world. In the physical world, the energy that we are able to generate with our physical bodies gives us an advantage, but in the astral world (if we call it that) THEY have the advantage... just as sharks do in the ocean. In that realm... their power is much stronger. Anyway... I know this from decades of first hand, real experience. For those who might doubt... certain kinds of physical manifestations... and certain kinds of very lucid experiences.... leave no room for uncertainty.... that these kinds of things are not always figments of a person's imagination.... though (obviously) this does not mean that "some" experiences by some people can't be figments of their imagination. In short, as I indicated, I'd be interested in comparing notes with others that have experienced what I am talking about.... and know it to be real, because it seems to me.... that we should be spending a little more time talking about how to navigate the dangers once we get there.... than simply on the techniques for getting there.
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      Scary stuff, isn't it? On the plus side you can always return to your body and end the experience.
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      I understand that you're a moderator, but feel the need to respond anyway. Yes..... it can be scary, but it can also be a perfect learning ground. I've observed that when confronted with a dark entity (and I can tell the difference) an incredibly debilitating fear can take over the experience, but I've detected a sense that this fear does not always originate within our own minds.... that this "feeling" of terror can somehow be projected upon us (or triggered within us) by the confronting entity, and that this fear can be so dominating that it is difficult to focus enough to effectively invoke the kind of spiritual affirmations that can neutralize the threat (no doubt by design). I've discovered that (consistent with standard spiritual energy manipulation mechanics) it isn't enough to speak the words, or even to think the thoughts. Reciting a spiritual mantra sometimes has no effect or benefit. I've learned that this is because the true power does not come from the words or thoughts.... it comes from the creation of the vibration within our center. We THINK its the words and thoughts, because in our waking state.... words and thoughts can often trigger the creation of the vibration within our center.... but when in the other realm.... if our center is overwhelmed by fear.... standard words and thoughts are not enough to neutralize the controlling negative experience and replace it with the positive one. I've learned that it takes a more focused concentration on one's actual center. It's seriously hard in the face of induced terror.... but that is the nature of a learned discipline, and I am getting better. I am no longer terrified of being terrified. I am confident that I can survive... and that I can defend myself.... and so, when in the state of terror.... I don't automatically try to flee. I take advantage of the opportunity to stand my ground... to face my attacker... and to gradually learn how to reassert control over my own frequency manifestations. I'm not sure you recognize the severity of what I am describing. I can feel physical contacts... sometimes in the form of gripping "hands". I have been able to muster enough focus to reach out and grab the entity myself, and to look directly into its face. Sometimes I then "pop" awake.... and sometimes the entity, itself, vanishes. The "point" of all of this.... is that I feel like I have stumbled upon a kind of self-defense "learning process".... that should be a topic of general conversation.... if others are to benefit.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Transponder View Post
      I have been able to muster enough focus to reach out and grab the entity myself, and to look directly into its face. Sometimes I then "pop" awake.... and sometimes the entity, itself, vanishes. The "point" of all of this.... is that I feel like I have stumbled upon a kind of self-defense "learning process".... that should be a topic of general conversation.... if others are to benefit.
      Very good, I will share. First run in when they got "in my face" ended with me chasing one through a wall and on the other side was a man who forced eye contact with me. I suddenly could not move. Three entities came close and examined me for awhile before attempting to confuse me with a false awakening. I woke on my grandma's couch. Grandma was there. She was balancing a stack of pillows she had been making. I told her I knew this was still a dream, pointing out that her pillows were at least an inch above her hand. Suddenly Grandma morphs into the first entity and he makes eye contact. I am again frozen and examined. I force myself awake.

      With many hundreds of interactions I learned to do the same to them. These ones were actually helpful and have led to my interaction with many astral beings and a couple cities. I have also ran into darker things.

      It is interesting you mention the concentration on one's center. In the end it comes down to two things. Volume of the energy you can create- how loud can you turn up the volume. And second how much lack of chaos you can create. I say it that way rather than how much order you can manage; perhaps you will understand why.
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      This is fascinating, I am trying to get into astral projection. I've been heavily interested in it for about a year. Still never succeeded. Got a feeling it's something to do with what I'm smoking, I've not been getting lucid either. Quitting soon

      The way I've been preparing myself for dark entities is to remember that they only use fear as a weapon. I've come across this "terror" thing before when I was trying to astral project once.

      Y'know what, I'll tell you the story.

      I met God with the help of this dude on Facebook. He channeled God as he spoke to me, and he also gave me a bunch of ancient wisdoms about myself. But he also asked if he could try something on me. He said he could send me on a journey through dimensions n shit. Of course I said "go for it! I had completely forgotten that we'd agreed upon that, because he continued to channel god for me. Then eventually I started talking to God myself.

      That dude had recommended astral projection to me as a way to really prove all this shit is real. So after 3 days of not sleeping, not drinking, not eating, just talking to God, I randomly decided to astral project.

      I lay still for hours and just focused on my "astral body". After not long, I felt the presence of hundreds of entities. It felt like my room was full of people watching me. It felt like a loving presence though, it felt almost as if there were a bunch of people just waiting for me to speak or something. Then I saw this weird blob of light, shaped like my flatmate's cat, it looked like it walked a bit then jumped up on the bed. Then a few seconds later, I heard the cat come in the room and jump up on the bed. It was so fuckin weird. Then I felt a presence come right up to me for a while then went away.

      I never left my body, but I really felt like I could feel my astral body "loosen" a bit. Maybe I was imagining it all, but it all felt so real at the time. I eventually gave up. I sat up in my bed. Then I started to see things. Most likely hallucinations from sleep deprivation, but I really feel like the whole experience was being affected by the spirit world.

      When I closed my eyes I saw a bunch of light blobs flying around, some came right up to me and vanished. I started playing with them. At the time I was certain these were "souls".

      I looked in the mirror and my face was gone and I got this crazy feeling of terror, it felt like it wasn't me I was looking at. But I just walked right up to the mirror and stared it in the face for a solid minute then walked away. That feeling of terror came back a few times in a few different situations, but I faced it the same every time, just stared it down and didn't let it phase me.

      By the way, I ended up going for a walk. Got found by the police, I was sitting on a roundabout next to an airport, talking the biggest load of rubbish. I was in outer space. It felt like my consciousness was trapped between dimensions or some shit.


      Anyways, that was a long winded story to ask, is that how you deal with dark astral entities? Just see past the fear? I also have been seeing the value in holding a loving vibration. Is that gunna help with dealing with dark entities?

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      Quote Originally Posted by slash112 View Post


      Anyways, that was a long winded story to ask, is that how you deal with dark astral entities? Just see past the fear? I also have been seeing the value in holding a loving vibration. Is that gunna help with dealing with dark entities?
      Dealing with the terror response certainly helps you to be willing to continue. However, if we make the assumption that this stuff is real, you need experience. The OP mentioned looking the entity in the face, and forcing himself awake. It would be kind of like saying to survive a bully on a school field all you need is to get past the fear. To a large degree and in many settings that is enough for the bully to loose interest. However, if the bully keeps picking on you, it may be time to learn the basics of fighting. Most bullies will stop if one fights back, even if you are not as tough as them. But your skills need to be credible enough to give them pause.
      The point being handling the panic reaction is absolutely the first step. However, beyond that you will need to learn to not get in conflicts, and also how to carry yourself (volume and lack of chaos) so that you are a credible threat to bullies. Even then you will never be the biggest bad ass on the astral. So, learning the basics and getting past the terror will help you stay out of the big ones way, and not appearing to be a victim.
      My fist advice on here was "On the plus side you can always return to your body and end the experience." I stand by that. You are in little danger if you are willing to admit defeat and return to a waking state.
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      Ahh, that's great advice, thank you! I will keep that in mind.

      Also, I hear that in the lower astrals, most of the dark entities are thoughtforms created by the human mind. Is that true? Are the lower astrals just filled with people's head-junk?

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      I AM NOT SURE, BECAUSE I ONLY TRUST MY EXPERIENCE. There are area where the things are like ghosts, they are drawn to life and want to touch you. Something like that could be a lower level or dimension with in the astral. I have never run into an area seeming filled with random people's thoughts. But hey, it is large like the universe. I have only traveled areas relating to reaching a certain city and travel from there to a much smaller city. I have been in other areas due to getting lost and have had weird run ins with darker entities of various forms. Just out side some areas are many strange animals. Endless fun.
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      Aw man that sounds awesome. I can't wait to have experiences of my own.

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      Its been 3 years since I had my very first OBE attack from an external entity. And it was the only one Iíve had since birth.

      Basically Iíve accidentally ďdisturbĒ a form of prayer by the Chinese religion during their opening of the hell gates. Known in Asia as the 7th month.

      The first dream was of an endless highway with a tunnel at the end, and on my left is a motorcycle of old origin probably during the 1970s. On my right was a lady with Long black hair wearing a white rob.

      I was on lucid then so I decided to disturb the lady(Just being me)
      She was irritated and pushed me to the ground. That was when I woke up and saw my room ceiling, brushing it off as a normal lucid dream I went to the toilet for a quick release and went back to bed.

      The same dream occurred shortly with the same momentum, highway -> tunnel -> motorcycle -> lady

      This time I realised it was the same dream, so I decided to do something different. I tried to carry her, she got irritated and pushed me to the ground.
      I knew it was a problem when I didnít wake up and was still in my dream, and both her hands were holding me down and I couldnít move(paralysis?)

      Her Face was revealed, well she was faceless. And her face kept coming closer to mine, I tried to do the ĎJerkí to get out of my dream since I was a kid.
      Didnít work so I prayed to god.

      It worked! Iím now awake eyes opened, I see my ceiling and my im surrounding walls. But..... she was still there.
      Being super afraid and couldnít move, I knew this was something else. I prayed out loud for forgiveness for whatever Iíve done.

      She eventually faded off towards my window and I could move again.
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