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      Geometric Night Terrors @ Fever Dreams

      Time to make an official intro for this thread, as it didn't start off coherently after the split. I've named this type of dream the Timaes, after a play written by Plato

      "The young Timaeus, stricken by fever, discovers the platonic solids and elementals in a fantastical journey."

      The common elements for these type of dream are as follows:

      -Occur with some frequency throughout early childhood, through natural dreaming or are fever induced. They usually come back briefly in your teens.

      -Leave you terrified upon waking, and it still gives you goosebumps to this day just to think about it. Wake with cold sweats, much like a fever.

      -There is a feeling of awfull SLOWNESS, which is just horrifing. Feels like you soul being ripped out, or just sheer insanity.

      -There are gometric shapes present, possibly the platonic solids.





      **SPLIT THREAD***
      I've had several dreams that I can't describe, they are just too "alien".

      Dreams where I'm aware of energy, moving, interacting with it or manipulating it. There is no up or down, no distance, yet it's still a coherent frame of existance. I think these ones stem from learning to remember dreams, and being able to latch on to that lingering feeling a dream leaves when you wake up, and follow it back to rember.

      And other ones, i can't even begin to describe, there were shapes, I'm pretty sure they were the platonic solids. There was either a deafening vibrational noise or a thundering silence, and a feeling of movement, but so agonizingly slow. The slowness was awful, felt like your soul being ripped out.
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      Quote Originally Posted by The View Post
      And other ones, i can't even begin to describe, there were shapes, I'm pretty sure they were the platonic solids. There was either a deafening vibrational noise or a thundering silence, and a feeling of movement, but so agonizingly slow. The slowness was awful, felt like your soul being ripped out.[/b]
      Wow - I've never been able to put you're describing into words, but you just did! I know exactly what you are talking about. I used to have these quite frequently when I was younger, and especially when I was really sick with the flu or something. I wonder if there's a name for this...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Burns View Post
      Wow - I&#39;ve never been able to put you&#39;re describing into words, but you just did&#33; I know exactly what you are talking about. I used to have these quite frequently when I was younger, and especially when I was really sick with the flu or something. I wonder if there&#39;s a name for this...
      [/b]
      I know that exact feeling also, and it too always came with fevers for me. Just a disgusting gut wrenching feeling that cannot be described.
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      Quote Originally Posted by The View Post
      I&#39;ve had several dreams that I can&#39;t describe, they are just too "alien".

      Dreams where I&#39;m aware of energy, moving, interacting with it or manipulating it. There is no up or down, no distance, yet it&#39;s still a coherent frame of existance. I think these ones stem from learning to remember dreams, and being able to latch on to that lingering feeling a dream leaves when you wake up, and follow it back to rember.

      And other ones, i can&#39;t even begin to describe, there were shapes, I&#39;m pretty sure they were the platonic solids. There was either a deafening vibrational noise or a thundering silence, and a feeling of movement, but so agonizingly slow. The slowness was awful, felt like your soul being ripped out.
      [/b]
      I am so glad you said that. What you described is just like a DMT trip, from what I have researched. Your post is further evidence of my theory that taking DMT is unnecessary if you master lucid dreaming. In fact, DMT is a natural neurotransmitter that is theorized to be involved in bizarre dreams like that. I know the type of dream you are talking about, and one of my goals is to be able to create them at will.
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      Do you guys know how many years I&#39;ve been combing the internet trying to find someone who has had that dream? Seriously I thought I posted in the reocurring dreams topic here years ago, but got no response. Couldnt find it still arount, so might have been somewhere else.

      Took me a long time to even put together the meager description I gave of it above. Here is what I magaged to post in my dream journal:

      I have no idea where I am, and am too freaked out to even wonder. I dont think I have a body, because there doesnt seem to be anywhere for my body to be. There is a constant, terrible, overwhelming sound. Or perhaps it is the roar of a deafening silence. Maybe it&#39;s a vibration? Whatever the case, it is completely overwhelming.

      There are shapes. Very distinct geometric shapes. 5 of them I think,They are different colors, but i wouldnt say they were solid. And they were absolutely horrifying.

      But the worst thing was that they moved, or SOMETHING was moving, agonizingly slow. It was almost like sleep paralisis, only it was slowness. Now it may have been slow, but it was so powerfull, so relentless, it seemed to tear at my sanity.


      I always wake up from this terrified, drenched in sweat, with the worst cold chills and goosemumps the size of Everest. I also had this dream often as a child, then once as a teen. And now that you mention it Cachero, I would wake up feverish. A good way of putting it.

      Before now the closest thing I could find to that dream was terrible slowness described by people who got frozen during the Manhattan project. The sound or silence may be similar to the buzz I&#39;ve heard people mention before OBE, not sure on that one. There is no name yet for that dream unless we come up with one. I&#39;ve researched that hardcore for many years, and haven&#39;t turned up anything at all. At best I&#39;ve found snippets that seem to describe some aspect of that dream. I&#39;ll try to find them later, I&#39;m looking now, but my notes are a total mess.

      But can any of you guys confirm the Platonic Solids as the shapes? I&#39;m not a hundered percent sure on that, just came across them one day and they gave me that creepy feeling again. Actually that&#39;s what got me interested in lucid dreaming. I figured i could go back there and see what it really is. But in truth I think I&#39;m too afraid to do it. Sure it sounds interesting in theory, but really, why would anyone want to go there? It&#39;s just too freaking horrible, you know what I mean?

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      So no one knows if there is a name for this? I haven&#39;t had one of these dreams in a long time, but I&#39;m still really interested to find out more. I thought it was just some weird hallucination I was having during a fever or something.

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      The Cusp, check this out and see if it sounds like what you experienced...

      http://fusionanomaly.net/dmt.html

      Remember that DMT is a natural neurotransmitter that is theorized to be involved in bizarre dreams.
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      Yeha, I know all about DMT, and the common visuals shared by various drug users. havent actually tried it, but I&#39;ve read quite a bit about it. Plus my uncle described it for me when he tried it at Gerry Garcias funeral in San Francisco.

      Sounds similar but I can&#39;t say for sure.

      I&#39;d really like to hear if Burns and Cachero remember is the shapes in those dreams were the platonic solids (Just do a quick wipipedia search if you don&#39;t know what they are.)

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      Quote Originally Posted by The View Post
      I&#39;d really like to hear if Burns and Cachero remember is the shapes in those dreams were the platonic solids (Just do a quick wipipedia search if you don&#39;t know what they are.)[/b]
      I searched the platonic solids, but I think mine was a wheel shape - not a sphere - but a wheel.
      I remember being sick in bed, or on the couch, with the flu. And I&#39;d close my eyes and see total blackness. Then the wheel would appear - it was moving agonizingly slow, so slow I wanted to vomit. It&#39;s so hard to describe the feeling. Everything was silent - deafeningly silent and slow. But the wheel turned and moved toward my vision, growing larger, and the larger it got, the sicker I felt. I wanted it to stop but everytime I closed my eyes, the whole thing would start over again, making me sicker and sicker, and dizzy - like spinning, like laying facedown on the rocking floor of a pitching shipdeck. I remember trying to stay awake and trying not to close my eyes to avoid that godawful feeling. Then the vision would creep at the corners of my vision and overtake my senses, going through another cycle.

      I don&#39;t know if that&#39;s anything like what you guys have experienced, but that&#39;s the best i could put it into words. There&#39;s really no way to describe it. I think The Cusp explained the horror of it well.

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      Quote Originally Posted by The View Post
      Plus my uncle described it for me when he tried it at Gerry Garcias funeral in San Francisco.
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      Your uncle did DMT when he was AT Jerry Garcia&#39;s funeral? Excellent&#33; Did anybody talk to Jerry?
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      Thanks for that desctiption Burns. I wasn&#39;t sure on the platonic solids thing, was just a shot in the dark. All I can say for sure is it was a geometric shape(s), and I suppose a wheel would fall into that category. But when you say a wheel, do you mean a wheel with spokes? Becose the Platonic Solids are the simplest shapes that fit inside of a sphere, and viewed inside a sphere like that, they could look like a wheel.

      Last time I had that dream, I had mentioned to my parents how I had often. My father said he had reocurring dreams like that as a child as well, but he said he always thought of them as Carrots. Yep, Carrots. That&#39;s all I could get out of him and it wasn&#39;t much help.

      We should restart this thread in the reoccuring dreams section. Might find more people who&#39;ve had it who might otherwise shun this section of the forum.

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      Quote Originally Posted by The View Post
      Thanks for that desctiption Burns. I wasn&#39;t sure on the platonic solids thing, was just a shot in the dark. All I can say for sure is it was a geometric shape(s), and I suppose a wheel would fall into that category. But when you say a wheel, do you mean a wheel with spokes? Becose the Platonic Solids are the simplest shapes that fit inside of a sphere, and viewed inside a sphere like that, they could look like a wheel. [/b]
      No, it wasn&#39;t a wheel with spokes - it was more like a cheese wheel.

      Quote Originally Posted by The View Post
      Last time I had that dream, I had mentioned to my parents how I had often. My father said he had reocurring dreams like that as a child as well, but he said he always thought of them as Carrots. Yep, Carrots. That&#39;s all I could get out of him and it wasn&#39;t much help.[/b]
      Haha, a carrot... that&#39;s pretty funny, actually

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      We should restart this thread in the reoccuring dreams section. Might find more people who&#39;ve had it who might otherwise shun this section of the forum.[/b]
      Done&#33; I&#39;ve put a link in the other thread to direct to this one (so no one thinks those posts were just deleted )

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      so you guys that have expericenced this dream thing were not attempting to do a wild at all? i guess not when you were young and didnt know, but did you try to stay awake conciously.. or are you awake?
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      Quote Originally Posted by FluBB View Post
      so you guys that have expericenced this dream thing were not attempting to do a wild at all? i guess not when you were young and didnt know, but did you try to stay awake conciously.. or are you awake?[/b]
      No, I was awake the whole time - they were almost like hallucinations (as much as I can imagine a hallucination would be like since I&#39;ve never experienced one other than this before). It would happen when I closed my eyes - but I wasn&#39;t asleep. Difficult to explain.

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      Well Flubb, that dream is what sparked my interest in dreaming, and when I learned about Lucid Dreaming, i started it with the intent to go back to that dream and check it out.

      I just never have. I&#39;m usually too busy kicking the crap out of whatever it was that made me lucid. You have to realize just how scary (not really scary, just... awful) this dream is though. WHile it&#39;s interesting intelectually to think about, I dont really want to go back there. Like thinking about cutting your arm off. You can imagine doing it, but you wouldnt really want to.

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      do your guys eyes hurt after words? i remember when i was sick when i was a wee lad that i would get wierd geometric dreams and my eyes would actually hurt after words... kind of like a migrain...
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      Quote Originally Posted by FluBB View Post
      do your guys eyes hurt after words? i remember when i was sick when i was a wee lad that i would get wierd geometric dreams and my eyes would actually hurt after words... kind of like a migrain...[/b]
      Hmm, not that I can remember... it was more nausea-associated than pain-associated.

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      nope, don&#39;t recall any pain associated with it.

      Was just re-reading the art of dreaming, and came across mention of energies moving at different speeds and a horror assiciated with it, but with this thread moved here, it doesnt really seem appropriate anymore

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      Quote Originally Posted by The View Post
      Was just re-reading the art of dreaming, and came across mention of energies moving at different speeds and a horror assiciated with it, but with this thread moved here, it doesnt really seem appropriate anymore[/b]
      I&#39;d still like to hear what it was about if you don&#39;t mind.

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      yep, i feared that thing a lot when i was little, then happened to me half-awake and i realized it was related with the mouth bones, like a wrong position of the mandibula or when it&#39;s blocked.
      when you have flu you can&#39;t breath through the nose, so you use the mouth and it stays open and dry...
      i think this sort of dreams are a sort of alarm to warn you that your position is not good to breath, or something like that.

      and i hate it.
      just now that my dentist refused to fill a cavity "because it&#39;s too small to worry about near to christmast holidays" - and i still feel it - i&#39;m quite afraid i will have one of that horrible dreams maybe tonight...

      not nice.
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      Not sure if this is similar - but when I was young (6-9?) I had a recurring dream filled with great awe and wonder, which would have been fear had the images not been so beautiful: very simply it was of looking up at the night sky (sometimes with a crowd of people) at huge geometric shapes like triangles, squares and lozenges. I couldnt tell if they were 3d or not. They were illuminated somehow and I somehow knew that maybe they were sentient or at least made by something with intelligence, I also had a strong feeling that this was some kind of premonition. BTW Very different from the geometric images associated with psychedelics I&#39;ve taken such as LSD, psilocybin et al..

      Another recurring dream set involves being inside or possibly even being a rectilinear shape. I could see a corner which I was always moving slowly towards. The whole scene was black and white and looked like it had been filmed in video with the gain set high (i.e. grainy) - I used to call it "salt and pepper". Eventually I would pass through the corner, through a kind of mousehole, and wake up. I often wondered if this kind of dream was perhaps a birth experience??? It seems to me that very early memories are still there but stored with an undeveloped/ undifferentiated perceptual framework? My mother was given pethidine during labour - which is a psychedelic...

      In terms of nausea, when I was young (6-16), from time to time, and usually associated with fever, I would awake to the most horrid feeling in my hands. It was as if they were enlarged and made of soggy clay. I remember trying to make it go away by putting my hands in hot then cold water... The closest I&#39;ve come to finding a shared experience of this is in the Pink Floyd lyric "..when I was a child I had a fever - my hands felt just like two balloons..."

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      WOW&#33; I got chills reading this post. I have never heard from anyone who had had these dreams as well. I used to have a similar dream as a child usually when sick with the flu or with a fever.

      The sound I hear is an overwhelming silence that is deafining - Like a ringing. Sometimes there is simply blackness and the image of two solid, black, solid, sphere&#39;s juxtaposed in an overwhelming contrast (One very large, one very small). The material is metal-like, with an INFINITE mass. As if it&#39;s the most dense material known.

      Almost always, these dreams seem to have some time-related theme, as if I (my life) was moving extremely slow, almost to no measurable degree, and that I would be doing this forever. That&#39;s a VERY scary feeling by the way.

      Sometimes the bad one&#39;s show a white dot traveling back and forth though black space and when it reaches a certain point, or line, something bad will happen.

      In the last few years, I have started to dream a similar dream once or twice but have been aware of it and had a peace about it and it usually subsides.

      Another dream that used to accompany these (as a child) was as I was falling asleep, I would feel extremely small, very very very, small. But I was still in my room. And the room was very very very large. It almost felt like I was coming out of my body as well (Sorta like a Salvia-High). I have in the last few years had this feeling as I fall asleep from time to time, and I kinda like it now. I&#39;ve learned what it feels like at onset, and relaxed to allow it to happen.

      Very wierd, very scary. Thanks for sharing.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Burns View Post
      Wow - I&#39;ve never been able to put you&#39;re describing into words, but you just did&#33; I know exactly what you are talking about. I used to have these quite frequently when I was younger, and especially when I was really sick with the flu or something. I wonder if there&#39;s a name for this...
      [/b]

      A fever.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Howetzer View Post
      A fever.[/b]
      No, not the pyrexia - I meant an actual name for that particular sensory hallucination with the slow-moving solids.

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      Awsome, it thrills me to no end to see this thread still going. THanks for the input people. I havent checked back on this in a while because i really didnt think this many people would respond.

      slimslowslider, the first dreams you describe with the shapes in the sky doesnt really sound like my platonic solid dream. ALthough I have also dreamt of somthing similar, silver flaming runes or glyphs floating across the sky.

      But the one with the rectilinear shape sounds right on topic. Nice description. I keep rereading it, hoping for some new insight. ANd as for the nausea realting to your hands, that totally gave me the nagging feeling of something I can&#39;t remember. I&#39;m pretty sure I&#39;ve experienced that as well.

      jcraig, thanks for another good description. Wish I could come up with a better comment, but it&#39;s hard to make heads or tails of this topic, and I&#39;m the one who started it&#33;

      The second half of your post about feeling very small or very big sounds like Alice in Wonderland. Lay off those dang mushrooms&#33; But seriously, that sounds completely familiar to me as well. I had the sizing dreams as well as hand nausea dream, and I never realized it untill I read your posts.

      italianmonkey, you post is interesting as well. Any chance you remember what kind of position you jaw was in when you had those dreams?

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