Thread: Are We Surrealist

I think it is abit more, so no

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

I am doing a art project on surrealism and Andrea Breton the main leader of surrealism was talking about the goal of surrealist is to bring dreams and reality together.
Now their is a lot of terms to describe who we our like Nihilst or postmodernist. Well isnt lucid dreaming the bridge between reality and dreams so does this make all the people in this forum surrealist? Now i don like lables because their is more qualities to a character then just his or hers philosophy but surrealist does capture my philosophy very well.

So this is the question our you a surrealist?[/b]

Actually I think we are impressionists --- JK becomingagodo (inside joke)
It seems that we are always trying in different manners via lucid dreaming, yoga, meditation, getting in the zone, if you will, to attempt to make a connection with our subconscious.
Unless we are not meant to (for what ever reason) it seems like we should progress to an ability to work in concert with a "whole mind."
It just seems more natural. As our body works so efficient in all other aspects it would seem to me that if we could readily communicate or conscious state with that of our subconscious state we could have many advantages.
Maybe that would blur reality. Quite possibly so. Maybe it is working the way it is suppose to. I don't know.
But I will forever try to be a surrealist.

I think it is abit more, so no[/b]

That pretty much it. You could read the first manifesto for surrealism by Andre Breton. Essential it building one consciousness so dreams and reality our both the same i.e. lucid dreaming.
keeper personally i would lable you as a religious fanatic because you reject science that is supported strongly from the scientific community.

It just seems more natural. As our body works so efficient in all other aspects it would seem to me that if we could readily communicate or conscious state with that of our subconscious state we could have many advantages.
Maybe that would blur reality. Quite possibly so. Maybe it is working the way it is suppose to. I don't know.
But I will forever try to be a surrealist.[/b]

That reminds me of anothe topic where somebody said what if all the schoifernic people our correct.
well here it is

This brings up another interesting question, one that has been discussed, but I don't know in what forum so I dont have the link: What if people with mental illnesses, such as schizophrenia or mental retardation, have it all figured out, and the rest of us have it all wrong? Seems wrong, but it's fun to think about.[/b]

Maybe they our surrealist and we our forwever trying to catch them. This also is strange because the topic was about somebody with a high IQ going crazy because of lucid dreaming maybe lucid dreaming made him surrealist which made him crazy.

What is odd to me is that most very intelligent people lack in other areas. Autistic people can recite the phonebook, but can't cook their own meals.
People with very High IQ's are often very eccentric in nature and lack some other aspect of normality. I hate to use normal. Because what is normal? uuug.
Also I would imagine their somewhat a product of an environment, one that they cannot relate to. It would be very frustrating to see things so simply, while every one else muddles through it all.

This happened to me in kindergarten, then it just left me.


Anyway, I would think that there are a certain few that obtain all of the above.

Just to interupt quickly

Becoming, I do not view myself as a person who disregards science.

I just see it says something you dont

back to the discussion now ...

Just to interupt quickly

Becoming, I do not view myself as a person who disregards science.

I just see it says something you dont

back to the discussion now ...[/b]

A person that doesnt believe in Evolution is disregaring science, well it like me not believeing in Einstein gravity. See their both regarded as nearly 99% correct and has massive amount of evidence and can be tested this make evolution science and it also make Einstein gravity science. The moment i disregard a majour branch of science for something without evidence then i am disregarding science. Also according to Boris sidis farther of the genius among geniuses william your not a homosapien your a homosamien.
http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/arguments.shtml
you seriously dont believe this bigot come on not only is he a moron he homophobic.

The homosexual rights movement is like a runaway train racing down a mountain pass. For several decades, this train has been gaining steam, but it was not until the last few years that its speed began to increase exponentially. The train is still largely out of sight, so most people are unaware of the destruction that is headed their way. But if you listen closely, you can hear the train approaching. It is coming closer with each passing day[/b]

http://www.straight-talk.net/gay/gay.shtml
Seriously do you believe what this scum wrights. This proberly one of the most offensive thing i have seen writen in years

Homosexual activists know that the best time to reach children is at the earliest ages. In fact, Christian researcher George Barna has found that the chance for an individual to accept Christ greatly diminishes after the age of 14. This is one of the reasons why homosexual activists, the ACLU, and their allies try so hard to deny Christians their equal access rights to school property. If they are successful in limiting children's exposure to the Gospel while feeding them a steady diet of homosexual indoctrination during these impressionable years, they are well on their way to victory. - James Anderson11[/b]

it basically saying homosexual our scum they dont deserve equal rights and they our corrupting our societies.

Well back to the topic

What is odd to me is that most very intelligent people lack in other areas. Autistic people can recite the phonebook, but can't cook their own meals.
People with very High IQ's are often very eccentric in nature and lack some other aspect of normality. I hate to use normal. Because what is normal? uuug.
Also I would imagine their somewhat a product of an environment, one that they cannot relate to. It would be very frustrating to see things so simply, while every one else muddles through it all.

This happened to me in kindergarten, then it just left me.

Anyway, I would think that there are a certain few that obtain all of the above. [/b]

That reminds me of Daniel Tammet the autistic savant, he can do most things a savant can do but he also is normal he didnt get heavily mentally damaged. In a program he said that he struggle to stay normal and not go into a world of his own. Also this remind me of Robert pisig and Nash both went insane but were they truly insane.
Well just think about Bruno the person who first thought of the gallieo model of the universe he got tortured by the chiristian state for six mounth then got burned on the stake. To him the chrisitian model of the universe is cleary wrong so he had to struggle agianst stupidity only to get murdered.

I dont know if you need a high IQ to be consider a surrealist. I guess if you know the fundamental improtances of dreams then your half their. I wonder what savant dream.

*lets not get off track here!*

im an artist, so surrealism for me has always been a type of art where dreams are portrayed to represent the human mind or condition. I never really thought of it as an agenda!

I cant say I am a surrealist, I've yet to find a practical way to unite reality with dreams. I dont concider lucid dreaming the bridge between reality and dreams, you are just as real in a dream whether or not you are lucid. Being lucid just means you have more awareness than normal. I think intrepretating dreams and understanding what a dream can mean is closer to uniting it with reality than lucid dreaming. But since we dont really have right or wrong ways to understand a dream, the meaning of the dream you come up with can be just as imaginary as the dream itself

my personal agenda is to make surrealist art, and I am hoping through lucidity I can remember dreams better in fuller details and have wildly impossible adventures to illustrate!

I guess you right but as i said earlier it half the problem. However from Andre Breton logic i dont think he wants you to intreprete them, he said he wants more of a automatic responce and a rejection of logic i.e. to be free.
Laterly i have been thinking about higher logic and art and i think they should be joined together. As for agenda the surrealist movement left movement did drain it energy. I guess art shouldnt have a agenda, well not surrealist art.
[quote]my personal agenda is to make surrealist art, and I am hoping through lucidity I can remember dreams better in fuller details and have wildly impossible adventures to illustrate. [quote]
My impression is that surrealism is not about narrative or advantures. I still trying to think what it is about, which does not help when you got a ambiguos word like surreal. Well my best guess at what surrealism means is making association between reality and dream or conscious and unconscious in my mind lucid dreaming is the best way because your consciousness is in your unconsciousness

First of all , surrealism , as I know it , represents the AUTOMATIC UNCONSCIOUS , without consciousness being involved at all in the creative process .
So taking this as a premise , one has to take into account that lucid dreaming IS CONSCIOUSNESS (just in another state of mind ), contrary to the surreal experience .
Maybe , we could think of LD more in the conception of DADA ( the CONSCIOUS abstraction of reality ).
Hope this helps

First of all , surrealism , as I know it , represents the AUTOMATIC UNCONSCIOUS , without consciousness being involved at all in the creative process .
So taking this as a premise , one has to take into account that lucid dreaming IS CONSCIOUSNESS (just in another state of mind ), contrary to the surreal experience .
Maybe , we could think of LD more in the conception of DADA ( the CONSCIOUS abstraction of reality ).
Hope this helps[/b]

Well no the purpose of surrealism is not to be unconscious, if you Andre Breton guide to surrealism he state that everyone should think like Heraclitus and he said he is surrealism in logic. Now then if you read something about Heraclitus his philosophy in life is to use induction reasoning, which is like the opposite to sherlock holmes reasoing. Andrea Breaton argue to think like Heraclitus who argued that you should stay conscious in a famous quote which i cant find, well anyway Andrea Breaton didnt know about lucid dreaming and he was arguing that real surrealism has not yet to occur.
Also Dada is more of a rejection of all of art history. Automatic unconsciousness does not explain the point of surrealism it explaines Abstract expressionism more, because he was saying how he wanted to unifie dreams and reality which is only possible in my mind using lucid dreaming.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

Well no the purpose of surrealism is not to be unconscious, if you Andre Breton guide to surrealism he state that everyone should think like Heraclitus and he said he is surrealism in logic. Now then if you read something about Heraclitus his philosophy in life is to use induction reasoning, which is like the opposite to sherlock holmes reasoing. Andrea Breaton argue to think like Heraclitus who argued that you should stay conscious in a famous quote which i cant find, well anyway Andrea Breaton didnt know about lucid dreaming and he was arguing that real surrealism has not yet to occur.
Also Dada is more of a rejection of all of art history. Automatic unconsciousness does not explain the point of surrealism it explaines Abstract expressionism more, because he was saying how he wanted to unifie dreams and reality which is only possible in my mind using lucid dreaming.[/b]

I don't think like "Heraclitus" as Breton has suggested. I do however try and think for myself.
Our dreams our only construct of our own mind. It is in a different state of consciousness, therefore giving us a different perspective.
When we become lucid we become conscious, often giving us the same or close to the same perspective on a dream as we would if we were to analyze the dream from our dream diary.
So our waking ability to construct, reconstruct, imagine and remember all give us the ability to unite with our dreams. Don't you think?