These are the definitions I am using: |
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Sounds like a good start to begin formulating a theory. I wonder where this thought may lead. |
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These are the definitions I am using: |
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If those are your definitions, then your posts contain generally useless information (ex. evidence one cannot evaluate; projecting consciousness into nonphysical dimensions). Thanks for clearing it up, though. |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
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Well aren't you just a sweetheart! |
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Last edited by VinceField; 03-21-2015 at 04:05 AM.
The reality is that the brain IS like a reducing valve for whatever is out there. This is undeniable, it is limited by the senses. |
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What does "it takes place in another reality frame" even mean? |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
My belief now on reincarnation is that it cannot happen because there are no new bodies to incarnate into. Instead, if you want to experience something new, you organize to merge with the embryo of a lifeform that lived the experience you want to have. |
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Last edited by EbbTide000; 03-21-2015 at 05:48 AM. Reason: "is"
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Why should I have to read between words? Just speak plainly. |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
VinceField said "What evidence or data do you have that indicates "there are no new bodies to incarnate into?" There are over 300,000 new births per day!" |
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If the World didn't suck we'd all fall off.
We are going through the eye of the needle; make sure you leave what you don't need behind. (Terence Mckenna 1946-2000)
Just holding up for Vince with this really. You seemed to be fixated on finding flaws in his sentence rather than content of his post. |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
I agree, there's a lot of vague skitter-billing when discussing these kinds of topics. It is a vague subject though. I can't imagine anyone who actually grasps reincarnation. There's actually some subjective evidence that points to it but it's vague. So anyone claiming to be in the know is especially prone to be deluded. |
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Last edited by Dthoughts; 03-22-2015 at 01:46 AM.
"Reality frame" is a term that I've picked up from Thomas Campbell, who uses it to describe the various dimensions of reality. The physical dimension is one reality frame or dimension of reality/experience. Dreams take place in another reality frame. OBEs are yet another reality frame/dimension of experience. And there are undoubtedly many many more. |
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What is the difference between a reality which is split into frames and a reality which is not split into frames? And I'm not asking for further definitions, I'm asking for a specific, tangible distinction. |
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LOL the term "frame" is simply an analogy. Reality is not split into frames, but rather it seems to be a gradient or spectrum of interconnected yet different dimensional realms of experience, each existing at a different rate of energetic vibration. Each different level of experience, whether it is the physical world, a dream, or the various dimensions experienced during OBEs, is being considered a "reality frame," as we seem to experience the greater reality one frame or one dimension at a time, although again, reality is not split in this way. It is just a convenient way to describe something that we have no proper words to define. |
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It's a point of view calielizabeth. It's just a pity when we don't preface bald statements like that with the magic abbreviation IMO because that's all it ever is...unless there's sigma 5 scientific proof and God, reincarnation and all other spiritual events are definitely outside that standard, so are mainly down to our personal beliefs and observations. So could I recomend that we all do that to avoid irritating each other? Are we all agreed? IMO from now on? |
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If the World didn't suck we'd all fall off.
We are going through the eye of the needle; make sure you leave what you don't need behind. (Terence Mckenna 1946-2000)
It's great that you're mediating conflicts troublesome to the discussion, but "IMO" not only should be implied but understood considering the topic is "DO YOU BELIEVE IN REINCARNATION? why or why not?" There is no mention of needing to provide an in-depth scientific (or something of a similar nature) explanation to prove what it is that you believe, so it should really be a given that generally nearly everyone that posts is responding with their opinionated belief and that there is going to be a lot of disagreement. |
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Last edited by snoop; 03-25-2015 at 09:53 AM.
Yes, I agree that there is a difference between witnessing a murder and having a nonphysical experience like an OBE or LD, although hallucinations and false perceptions do occur in the physical dimension of experience as well. We probably cannot be absolutely sure if our experiences out of body are valid or simply vivid hallucinations. But my point remains the same that there is a degree of credibility given to perception, and the fact of the possibility of OBEs and LDs being valid experiences in a legitimate greater reality necessitates consideration of these personal testimonies in the out of body state as potential evidence. |
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Perception is grossly overlooked. My friend accused me of having flawed perception of an event I clearly memorized. I'm fine with flawed perception of a memory but saying the event never had any basis in reality in the first place is taking it one step too far. In the same way, I always wonder how people must view someone that explains a near death experience when the listener presumes the NDE-experiencer is full of shit. Must not be very nice for the storyteller. |
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