The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
Still not conclusive. And even if consciousness is tied to the brain it doesn't have to mean that it is glued to it. |
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There are many reasons to believe that consciousness is not born from and confined to the brain. |
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Yes |
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Last edited by Sivason; 03-26-2015 at 06:51 AM.
The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
I've already agreed that there is a connection between consciousness and the brain. Any sensible person knows this. Again, I'm speaking specifically about the idea that the brain gives birth to consciousness. Scientists agree that the matter that the brain consists of is not conscious, and yet they believe that it somehow magically creates consciousness. This is as much of a belief as the ideas that you are combating. |
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If you encode music on to a CD and break the CD and the player, the music is gone. Consciousness is not analogous to free floating radio waves. |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
The belief that the brain somehow physically creates consciousness is just as magical as any other "woo-woo" New Age idea. |
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I just saw a show in which a noted astrophysicist state we should not try to apply scientific law to that which can not be proven either to exist or not. While fun for debating the process takes away from science. |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
Yes, this is how you believe brain-consciousness interaction works |
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Last edited by Kaitakaro; 03-27-2015 at 05:35 PM.
It is just as magical as any other "woo-woo" belief, as it is an unproven assumption. Give it some deep thought and you'll likely realize just how magical the idea that matter lacking any degree of consciousness can give birth to consciousness is. It's David Blaine status. |
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The Catch22 in this whole discussion is that reincarnation may or may not exist but, if the Buddhists are right, all one's past life and humanity is stripped away and the slate seems to be wiped clean ready for the next incarnation so (except for a few unproven claims of past-life) what exists to provide proof one way or the other? So it's really only down to personal beliefs...and Snoop is right...the question was do we believe or not, so IMO is really superfluous to this debate I suppose. |
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If the World didn't suck we'd all fall off.
We are going through the eye of the needle; make sure you leave what you don't need behind. (Terence Mckenna 1946-2000)
I think that in order to answer this question we will first need to know exactly where consciousness comes from. |
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Stephen LaBerge's Full Seminar in Russia, 1998
Стивен Лаберж - Осознанные сновидения. Весь семинар 1998.
Reincarnation? Well, I don't believe in it. |
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Last edited by LouaiB; 03-31-2015 at 06:37 PM.
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"People tell dreamers to reality check and realize this is the real world and not one of fantasies, but little do they know that for us Lucid Dreamers, it all starts when the RC fails"
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I feel like some of it may be directed at me. Which I would find unpleasurable. Considering I want to make a new thread of my thoughts on Reincarnation and would appreciate not to be ridiculed for my ideas. |
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Wait, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have been so disrespectful. I'm sure you only meant to share and receive regarding reincarnation, and not be putting it as a scientific statement or something to receive scientific criticism. (I think you're not proposing it as fact) |
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I fill my heart with fire, with passion, passion for what makes me nostalgic. A unique perspective fuels my fire, makes me discover new passions, more nostalgia. I love it.
"People tell dreamers to reality check and realize this is the real world and not one of fantasies, but little do they know that for us Lucid Dreamers, it all starts when the RC fails"
Add me as a friend!!!
I'm probably being oversensitive ^^ |
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Well in most cases experiments show a step is wrong, then the scientist needs to work it out again until he gets to the right step. Experimenting is very important. |
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I fill my heart with fire, with passion, passion for what makes me nostalgic. A unique perspective fuels my fire, makes me discover new passions, more nostalgia. I love it.
"People tell dreamers to reality check and realize this is the real world and not one of fantasies, but little do they know that for us Lucid Dreamers, it all starts when the RC fails"
Add me as a friend!!!
If the World didn't suck we'd all fall off.
We are going through the eye of the needle; make sure you leave what you don't need behind. (Terence Mckenna 1946-2000)
Anyone here ever read Dr. Ian Stevenson reincarnation research? It's really stunning and surprised not many people know about it. |
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