Thread: Atheism

I believe there may or may not be Gods existing. So no, I'm not an Atheist; I'm Agnostic.

I'm also Agnostic. I don't like organized religion. I like wisdom.

Originally Posted by taltho

I'm also Agnostic. I don't like organized religion. I like wisdom.
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same here there is simply no way to prove christians or deists wrong.

I believe there may or may not be gods existing. But yes, I'm an Atheist; Given that the perceived likelihood of said gods is so exceedingly low, this is the only logical position to take until sufficient evidence to the contrary is found.

Oh good, with my vote the rational atheists pull ahead of the superstitious theists.

Atheist, and I'm obviously more intelligent for it.

HONKYTONK

Definitely an atheist.

good, so far we've got 50-50. i myself disagree with organized religion since there is no proof for it and hundreds of millions of people have been killed in its name.

I'd just like to point out I said no and I'm not a theist, I lean towords atheism, but yeah I probably would have been more accurite if I put athiest.

subtract 1 for no and add 1 to yes.

Originally Posted by hellopotato

good, so far we've got 50-50. i myself disagree with organized religion since there is no proof for it and hundreds of millions of people have been killed in its name.
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And some of the people would have voted agnostic if that had been a choice. Which counts against the religious option, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

same here there is simply no way to prove christians or deists wrong.
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The question of whether there is a God will never go away.
Therefore, how can anyone say with absolute and unchallengeable authority that there is no god?

It comes down to what you WANT to believe.

So... no I am not.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

And some of the people would have voted agnostic if that had been a choice. Which counts against the religious option, in my opinion.
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That's what I meant, one against religion. Religion is not wisdom. Not only have hundreds of millions been slaughtered, but also countless cultures and their wisdom have been eradicated from off hte face of the earth because of it. Where talking about a hundred thousand years of human evolution in gathering wisdom/understanding gone in within decades. The early Christians are responsible for quite allot of those cultures/wisdoms destructions, up until the Native American cultures. Thats two thousand years of destruction and torture in name of Christianity...alone! Hum...

Yep. I mean, how could it be that something infinitely powerful and totally... just kidding. I think that particular conversation has gone about as far as it can go in this forum. A lot of religions involve gods that are just EXTREMELY far fetched, but the Judeo-Christian-Muslim God, in all of his various names, is an especially bizarre concept because the notions about his nature contradict each other and he has every personality disorder I know of. Zeus, Poseidon, Vishnu, Osiris, and the others are just in a boat with the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny. Is there a word for people who don't believe in those?

I'm not an atheist. I believe people who disagree with me are wrong (obviously. simple definition of belief), but I don't think they're stupid. What a concept!

That's all I have to contribute to this thread. Now you can get back to your conversation about how idiotic, intolerant, and disrespectful Christians are, lol.

Originally Posted by mystqjaq

I'm not an atheist. I believe people who disagree with me are wrong (obviously. simple definition of belief), but I don't think they're stupid. What a concept!

That's all I have to contribute to this thread. Now you can get back to your conversation about how idiotic, intolerant, and disrespectful Christians are, lol.
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Hay, I don't think Christians are intolerant and disrespectful, I think religions are. And furthermore my Christian relatives are not idiots...just mixed up a little. LOL.

Originally Posted by taltho

Hay, I don't think Christians are intolerant and disrespectful, I think religions are. And furthermore my Christian relatives are not idiots...just mixed up a little. LOL.
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Haha, fair enough. I wasn't really referring to one specific person in the thread. The overall tone just seems to be that of condemning Christianity (and theism in general) for its condemning attitude. I just find that delightfully ironic. It's an unwise move diplomatically and logically to imperiously decry something or someone else for being "disrespectful."

Also, Jesus' teachings (and some other religious texts) are much more respectful than this thread in one important aspect: I didn't hear Jesus calling anyone superstitious morons. He just called them wrong. At the very worst, he accused them of being chronically and terminally wrong. Which, again, was merely his honest opinion based on the fact that he disagreed with them. "Respect" doesn't mean "to agree with unquestioningly." If it did, we would all be completely devoid of respect, simply by disagreeing with ANY worldview. "Respect" in the sense that we mean it, I assume, is to respect the intelligence and integrity of those who reasonably seek their own path, even if we disagree with their principles or ideologies. Any other definition, and we shoot ourselves in the foot logically.

You can't really blame a religion (which isn't an entity in itself) for the violence perpetrated by its followers.

And you can't blame all of a religion's followers for the injustice perpetrated by a few. Most Christians are relatively harmless and haven't started any wars or massacres.

Anyway, I don't mean to hijack the thread (I understand the thread is titled Atheism, and so my opinion is not quite relevant), so allow me to bow out once again and invite anyone who wishes to talk with me or yell at me to do so via PM. Because we're all above public stonings and pissing contests, aren't we?

~Jacqui

Wow, the atheist are the majority here, I didn't expect that since the latest outburst of theist

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Now since we are a majority... Lets march. We all know what mel gibson meant with his movie... ES IS ZEIT FÜR RACHE! WIR MUSSEN DIE CHRISTENEN AUSROTTEN!

Man, I love that southpark episode.

I am joking by the way. The final solution isn't to exterminate Christians, or jews, actually it isn't any sort of a solution at all. It is makes a great south park episode.

Actuallly just ignore this post unless you seen 'the passion of the jew' south-park episode. And even then, replacing JUDEN with CHRISTENEN isn't really funny.

Point is: Majorities don't matter.

edit; Nazis suck, I just find them to be hilarious.

Originally Posted by hellopotato

good, so far we've got 50-50. i myself disagree with organized religion since there is no proof for it and hundreds of millions of people have been killed in its name.
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I personally believe the organized religions caused there to be more order, and that there would have been far more deaths if there had been no organized religions. The crusades, jihads, etc. are just a result of individuals seeking to increase their own power, or because of hate, not because of the religions themselves.

I can't say for sure there would be more deaths if there had been no organized religions, as this really is just speculating, but most likely I believe it would, as lots of morals and ethics come from religions.

I believe it would, as lots of morals and ethics come from religions.[/b]

as do over 500 million deaths.

so much peace would be in the world today if there was no religion.

I believe it would, as lots of morals and ethics come from religions.[/b]

Bullshit.
Morals and ethics have been observed in several social species of animals, and I don't see them praying or worshiping.

^ owned

Originally Posted by hellopotato

as do over 500 million deaths.

so much peace would be in the world today if there was no religion.
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Why do you think that? I would love to hear your reasoning.

Just because option A is bad (from your point of view), doesn't mean option B will be better by default.

Option A is a World with religion, and B without, obviously.

Originally Posted by hellopotato

as do over 500 million deaths.

so much peace would be in the world today if there was no religion.[/b]

Don't you think that this depends a lot on what region your in.
As a US citizen I believe religion is a good crutch for our society. Even if there are many hypocrites, it keeps them in check. Most church goers I see are loving people.
You get into third world nations or extreme fundamentalist and secular religions, well then you see a very negative impact.

I am not denying that Christianity has not been corrupt and led to man many uncalled for deaths.
Along with catholicism and most any other religion at some point.

Go go god XIII from southpark, war without any religions involved. I think it is in the nature of mankind to kill, slay and slaughter. If we can make life like the Equilibrium-movie it wouldn't get any better. We just need to learn how to love.