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      Talking Proof Christianity IS a Farce!!

      I have seen many threads agruing about christianity on here.
      I would like to present you with a few passages, the only passages needed, that will show you
      1) Christianity is a farce, a fake and insulting to anyone with any sense of mindfulness.
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      2) (for all the christians that are going to argue against me in this thread) that even if somehow the religion is true 97% of ALL Christians WILL go to HELL!

      1)"You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."-Exodus 20:5-6
      What does this mean? This shows that your God commits sin. Oh but you'll say that it's not a jealousy of the flesh? BULLSHIT!!! for Jesus was of the Flesh and was the fathers son... Or does this mean we can be jealous of other religions???... As long as it's for the benifit or the Christian God huh...

      2)"Thou shalt not
      make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any
      thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth
      beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth"-Exodus 20:4
      This is the big one. Lets break it down: ok to make a graven image that means not to make anything AT ALL that represents ANY GOD even the speaker himself (The Christian God). But ALL Christians ahave broken this one very simple law, every single phrase of it. The Jews have the Star of David which is of the heavens above, the Catholic and all following denominations of that sect have the WOODEN CROSS which is of the Earth below the heavens. Also the more recent Christians created the Fish that's supposed to represent Jesus, the fish being of the Waters underneath.... Holy Shit!!! Think about how many people Don't know this and are to blind and stupid to actually read the book they devote their "souls" to... OMG seriously people wake up! This religion like almost all others that are hundreds of years old are MAN MADE AND ARE RIDDELED WITH FLAWS THAT MAKE THEM EVIL ACCORDING TO THEMSELVES....
      'beatin the shit outta the largest fairytale story ever wrote since 2000'
      Now for my take on this:
      I have a couple theories i would like to share a hear your opinions on...
      1) "God" meant the Bible as a basic guideline of how the human race should treat life but not to be taken too seriously. Also "God" didn't mean that he was "God" the way we interpretted it. Quantum scientists have found that just by observing something we change it's entire existance in the universe (look it up if you don't believe me, actually i encourage you to research all of this) and so i believe that means that the first being to gain awareness was the first to actually construct the universe in this way. He was like "Oh this is this and that's that... wow" an just by being there to witness it he created it as it is. So he is the creater... not that we owe him anything. He didn't intentionally say oh i think i'll make a human today and play with him *POOF* (best army men ever) lol.
      2) "God" is EVERYTHING... He is all and ever. He is every molecule of energy any and everywhere ever. This is what he means by he mad us in his image, and that "bad" things or "sins" disrupt the flow of energy and set it into a bad wave of vibrations. Good things harmonate on a stronger more stable and soothing wave that flows best. Heaven is the Universal Mind and the whole of energy ever and to get to it you need to try to vibrate in that frequency of good and going to hell is passing away while in the vibration of bad and pain and evil things and never being able to change your vibrations to resonate with the Universal Mind and Energy of all things.
      3) My third one is that there is no "God" at all but we are in a cycle of energy that has no end nor any beginning. It "Big Bangs" then the stars eventually all collapse and drag everything into black holes and once EVERYTHING falls into the last largest black hole it "Big Bangs" again and repeats forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever ETC ETC ETC.......

      My beliefe is a mixture of #2 and #3...
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      Cool

      PS: i dont attack any religion and i never start any religious or political conversation and mostly avoid them but when dumbass wanna try to prove a dumbass idea i prove them wrong... with there own material.... BOOM ANUTHA HEAD SHOT!


      Edit: and no matter what none of us ASKED to be created Gods just thought they'd play... well GOD.... and I AM NOT ATHEIST or however you spell it.... i have NO RELIGION and ATHEISM is the RELIGION OF HATING RELIGIONS....

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      Quote Originally Posted by MementoMori View Post
      2)"Thou shalt not
      make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any
      thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth
      beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth"-Exodus 20:4
      Ooooooh, some photographers are fucked! They are FUCKED!!!





      Burn them! Burn them! Hurt them!

      Do two wrongs make a right?

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      God cannot destroy himself because He is Omnipotent.


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      LMFAO!!!! OMG.... LOL hilariouse (however that's spelled). LOL he meant that referring to idols... thing others worship... i showed this to a preacher once in my hometown and a year later he quite preaching and joined the peace core.... i was like YESSS!!!! now he's doing something that actually matters and will make a difference! lol

      nice post though, i laughed for atleast an entire minute...

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      Thanks. Bible passages about God being arrogant and absurd really bring out my sarcasm.
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      God cannot destroy himself because He is Omnipotent.


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      so if you don't mind me asking what's your standing on the subject?

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      It looks like the second verse is saying not to make any image (painting, photograph, sculpture, map, etc.) of God, what is underground, or what is under the ocean's surface. It talks about a graven image and then says "or" before talking about the nature scenes. Thou shalt not
      make unto thee any graven image, OR any likeness [of any
      thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth
      beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth" It does not say the likenesses of underground or under the ocean surface have to resemble God to be forbidden. It is one more off the wall rule in the Bible, like how you can't cut your hair on the sides and can't work on Sunday. Most Christians ignore pretty much all of the rules in the Bible. When questioned on it, they say they are old laws that don't apply to now, but then they will turn around and say that the Bible is the word of God and homosexuals are evil and evolution is a lie. It's all a bunch of chaotic madness.

      The first verse you quoted spells out support for this stance I talk about sometimes...

      http://dreamviews.com/community/show...ality+disorder

      A big part of me has held on to Zen and other Eastern philosophical beliefs for a long time, so I am not that far from agreeing with your scientific view of existence as a god. I am just not so sure about calling it a god. It is something phenomenal, whatever it is. Notice my screen name.
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      yeah, i only refer to it as "God" because it's the only way to communicate it to others easily and quickly....

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      Not all Christians take the Old Testament superseriously. That would be like a Christian making a thread about how all atheists support abortion (and that would really piss me off).
      The starz...
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      The intricate and dynamic machinery of nature...
      Are you saying,
      that all of this was created,
      BY A MONKEY??????

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      if they don't take both books seriously then they're blasphemers already and hipocrites because Jesus in the new book says he brings the same laws that were handed down to moses by his father, and that we have to keep all the commandments his father gave.... dono the exact pages but i've read almost the whole thing.... back when i used to be a young dumb christian child, then i was like wait a second and read the entire thing except a book or two, but those weren't really relating to god they were side stories in it. I remember the bible like you would remember a book you read, you don't remember the exact words but you get the idea of what happened and when you wanna tell somebody about a part in it you know what chapter to look in... but like i said... how can they worship the son but not the father and say they still say the bible is the word of the God they follow... i'll tell you how, because it's a religion that is molded to fit the worshipers current feelings toward it.... Religions in general are all false, they're man made, and mad edited... if any God were a "God" they would be "perfect" beings and why wouldn't a perfect being be able to forgive everything if they're perfect.....

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      I mean, the bible basically says only god has the right to commit sins but we cannot because sins are filth and evil and all these bad things.... so if you don'y like the Christian god he has the right to murder your soul..... hmm somebody didn't have alot of friends back in god-school

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      Quote Originally Posted by Idolfan View Post
      Not all Christians take the Old Testament superseriously. That would be like a Christian making a thread about how all atheists support abortion (and that would really piss me off).
      Atheists don't have a single, unifying Bible that says to commit abortion.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MementoMori View Post
      if they don't take both books seriously then they're blasphemers already and hipocrites because Jesus in the new book says he brings the same laws that were handed down to moses by his father, and that we have to keep all the commandments his father gave.... dono the exact pages but i've read almost the whole thing.... back when i used to be a young dumb christian child, then i was like wait a second and read the entire thing except a book or two, but those weren't really relating to god they were side stories in it. I remember the bible like you would remember a book you read, you don't remember the exact words but you get the idea of what happened and when you wanna tell somebody about a part in it you know what chapter to look in... but like i said... how can they worship the son but not the father and say they still say the bible is the word of the God they follow... i'll tell you how, because it's a religion that is molded to fit the worshipers current feelings toward it.... Religions in general are all false, they're man made, and mad edited... if any God were a "God" they would be "perfect" beings and why wouldn't a perfect being be able to forgive everything if they're perfect.....
      Jesus obviously could not have meant that the old laws will never change, because if he did he wouldn't have gone about changing half of them! He said that the whole law swings on the two great commandments. Just because he was born in a Jewish society doesn't mean all Christians should keep Jewish moral standards. Jesus went to great lengths describing to people about how the Jews are NOT God's chosen people. The verse in the bible, "Not one tittle of the law will pass away" or whatever it was; must have been a misinterpretation. We have for example the Gnostic Gospels, some of which, like the Gospel of Thomas, stating that Jesus does not even care about what much of the Old Testament had to say.

      Christians are not being hypocrites by picking and choosing rationally out of the bible. This stigma has been added by OTHER CHRISTIANS to excercise control. A Christian cannot be told he is a hypocrit just because he does not think the bible is God's word, because he just might not believe it! It's that simple. Maybe we should call these people Jesusists instead of Christians? I dunno.
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      The starz...
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      The intricate and dynamic machinery of nature...
      Are you saying,
      that all of this was created,
      BY A MONKEY??????

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      i didn't talk about jewish morals... i presented two staements made by Jesus's "Father" the christian god... which one all believers in the religion have broken and the other shows that the christian god himself sins....

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      Quote Originally Posted by MementoMori View Post
      i didn't talk about jewish morals... i presented two staements made by Jesus's "Father" the christian god... which one all believers in the religion have broken and the other shows that the christian god himself sins....
      Exodus is a Jewish scripture.
      The starz...
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      The intricate and dynamic machinery of nature...
      Are you saying,
      that all of this was created,
      BY A MONKEY??????

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      The whole thing was wrote in hebrew..... the point isn't that it's a jewish book... it's that the whole religion is a fraud. It was made my men to control men... those passages are from the same "God" all the Christian religions worship. And it's the "God" of the jews and he commanded them not to make the star of david and they did anyways...... and then the Perfect being they worship and fear to sin because of, that God sins... so how could he be a god that condems for sinning and then does it himself....?

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      With the many reasons to believe or not believe in a religion I am sure you could do a lot better than that. That is hardly any proof at all.

      Since being jealous isn't against the commandments he listed, he made no contradiction. You basically just said it was a sin, though nothing you posted shows in any way that it was a sin.

      Secondly, nearly everyone who reads that in the context given, takes it to mean that images of other gods besides the one speaking. He clearly just said he was jealous and so do not make images of other gods. So there is no reason to believe he meant to ban images of himself, only other gods. You yourself just made up the fact that he was refering to himself.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Atheists don't have a single, unifying Bible that says to commit abortion.
      Sure they do!

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      Dawkins took a stance on abortion did he?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      With the many reasons to believe or not believe in a religion I am sure you could do a lot better than that. That is hardly any proof at all.

      Since being jealous isn't against the commandments he listed, he made no contradiction. You basically just said it was a sin, though nothing you posted shows in any way that it was a sin.

      Secondly, nearly everyone who reads that in the context given, takes it to mean that images of other gods besides the one speaking. He clearly just said he was jealous and so do not make images of other gods. So there is no reason to believe he meant to ban images of himself, only other gods. You yourself just made up the fact that he was refering to himself.
      jesus himself said that he came to rid the world of ALL idols... and that your faith alone is what's supposed to be your sign for him and his father... and jealousy is a sin in the Christian god's eyes, my first point was that the Christian God he imself commits a sin and the second point is that even if the christian story's true and we will die and go to either heaven or hell i know i'll be in hell but so will 99% percent of the "followers" of the religion because if you read the bible and read jesus's teachings he says he's hear to rid the world of idols, that his father hates the false pagan gods that others worship and that we are to worship his father threw FAITH and not threw any idol...

      The 10 commandments weren't the only commandments he gave us, he and his son jesus christ gave many more commandments than just ten, the whole bible is filled with them... most are self contridicting, the one's i listed are the two most important at the beginning of the bible that show that if you are a christian and have EVER associated the cross, or jesus fish with jesus or the chritian god then you are going to hell, also that how can god be jealouse if he is perfect and without any flaw? wouldn't he be understanding that we are ignorant creatures and simply teach us over time that those gods are fake and he is real instead of be jealouse of them and attack his children with plagues and destruction and death?... wouldn't a "perfect" "flawless" being be able to get over it?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      Dawkins took a stance on abortion did he?
      He did. Haven't you read the atheist's bible God Delusion?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      He did. Haven't you read the atheist's bible God Delusion?
      i had a friend that was an atheist.... he lives his life to attack religions, i mean he goes to churches to argue senslessly how stupid the believers are.
      And before someone says " oh but that's what you're doing here!" no, i stated in my first post that i don't usually partake in religiouse or political debates or conversations and i keep my beliefs to myself usually but i had found couple threads on here about it so i decided to share what i had found... anyways, i can't stand most atheist's simply because they usually verbally attack or think ill of anyone that thinks there's anything more than just organic material... a soul will get you screamed at, afterlife will get you swung on, and don't dare say there is a condemming higher power controlling everything because you may just get stabbed (my own experiences)

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      He did. Haven't you read the atheist's bible God Delusion?
      No I haven't, which is a bit weird considering I'm an atheist, isn't it? I guess someone must have made a false assertion somewhere or something...

      What did he say exactly?

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      If 99% of christians go to hell, that means that 20 million christains alive today, are still going to go to heaven.

      Let us assume for a moment you are right in your interrupation. Does that really prove that the religion is wrong? Or does it show that worshipping idols is bad, and that the bible, Jesus and God all warned Christians not to follow false images, knowing it would get them in trouble?

      A popular complaint people make about Christians are about how people used the religion for violence. A good example is the crusades. However if you look, in all the crusades they marched under symbols of the church. If you took God's message to heart, you would never march to war under a flag of god, which is a false idol.

      People often take out dated things from the bible and use that to say the bible is bad or wrong. But the bible itself as well as Jesus warn that you can not always follow outdated rules written by people long dead.

      The bible and Jesus are strong supporters of that fact that some times you must follow the rules and some time you need to wake up and use your brain.

      Assuming you are right, it isn't proof that Christianity is wrong, but that the majority of Christianity has lost its way. As for God being jealous, I am pretty sure we all know that in that context he was refering to the fact that he is going to be pissed off if you go against him.

      Anger is not a sin. It makes sense that a perfect god would get angry and be pissed off. There are many stories of god smiting people. It is based off the idea of rightous anger and bringing about justice.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      If 99% of christians go to hell, that means that 20 million christains alive today, are still going to go to heaven.

      Let us assume for a moment you are right in your interrupation. Does that really prove that the religion is wrong? Or does it show that worshipping idols is bad, and that the bible, Jesus and God all warned Christians not to follow false images, knowing it would get them in trouble?

      A popular complaint people make about Christians are about how people used the religion for violence. A good example is the crusades. However if you look, in all the crusades they marched under symbols of the church. If you took God's message to heart, you would never march to war under a flag of god, which is a false idol.

      People often take out dated things from the bible and use that to say the bible is bad or wrong. But the bible itself as well as Jesus warn that you can not always follow outdated rules written by people long dead.

      The bible and Jesus are strong supporters of that fact that some times you must follow the rules and some time you need to wake up and use your brain.

      Assuming you are right, it isn't proof that Christianity is wrong, but that the majority of Christianity has lost its way. As for God being jealous, I am pretty sure we all know that in that context he was refering to the fact that he is going to be pissed off if you go against him.

      Anger is not a sin. It makes sense that a perfect god would get angry and be pissed off. There are many stories of god smiting people. It is based off the idea of rightous anger and bringing about justice.
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