Thread: Precog dream experiment

1- woke out of this dream:

(...) It was a disgusting dream related to health issues.

2 - Going backwards through the dream, I think the numbers are

(...) There were no numbers in it so I'm not going to subject you to that disgusting dream

Here is the link to Keno. Keno is at the bottom of the list. At the top I tick Keno then I put in the range of Draw numbers (maximum 50 draws) to catch the Noon Draw.

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https://tatts.com/salotteries/result...-lotto-results

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I will dream again tomorrow.

EBB,

I am very prone to precogs and so the obvious thing is to try and cash in on it, right? I've had precogs of lottery numbers on several occasions. And currently I've dedicated myself to honing my abilities. I've tried big games like a keno or a lotto, but it's way too much info for me to "precog". And most lottos are 1-2 times per week, so I would often get my precogs mixed up, betting on one day when they were actually lottery numbers for the other day!

It's taken me a lot of time and work to figure out how to read my dreams and to train my brain to give me the precogs that I WANT.

Right now I am going small ball w/ daily lottery numbers, three dig numbers. I've won the last 6 days in a row. But today I had what I thought was a major precog and so I got greedy and bet all my winnings, and it was bogus or untimely.

Daily lottery numbers are ideal for several reasons. My precogs are usually very limited, so rarely do I see a full 3 digit number, but I'll see the first digit or middle digit or just A digit. And w/ daily numbers you can bet combinations, so I can still win w/ a single number, especially if I know the position of that number.

Also daily lotteries are a specific time every day so I can train myself for that time rather than some arbitrary time from the day I'm dreaming.

Like I said, I've won the last 6 days and won around $500 in the last 30 days....until today.

I'm really down as it really felt like a legit precog.

Batt

Originally Posted by BatteryCharged

EBB,

I am very prone to precogs and so the obvious thing is to try and cash in on it, right? I've had precogs of lottery numbers on several occasions. And currently I've dedicated myself to honing my abilities. I've tried big games like a keno or a lotto, but it's way too much info for me to "precog". And most lottos are 1-2 times per week, so I would often get my precogs mixed up, betting on one day when they were actually lottery numbers for the other day!

It's taken me a lot of time and work to figure out how to read my dreams and to train my brain to give me the precogs that I WANT.

Right now I am going small ball w/ daily lottery numbers, three dig numbers. I've won the last 6 days in a row. But today I had what I thought was a major precog and so I got greedy and bet all my winnings, and it was bogus or untimely.

Daily lottery numbers are ideal for several reasons. My precogs are usually very limited, so rarely do I see a full 3 digit number, but I'll see the first digit or middle digit or just A digit. And w/ daily numbers you can bet combinations, so I can still win w/ a single number, especially if I know the position of that number.

Also daily lotteries are a specific time every day so I can train myself for that time rather than some arbitrary time from the day I'm dreaming.

Like I said, I've won the last 6 days and won around $500 in the last 30 days....until today.

I'm really down as it really felt like a legit precog.

Thank you Batt

I think my problem is greed too. I often get 2 numbers, then get over excited and bust. The greed might cause the over excitement. I think psi works best in calm, long, brainwave state and sleep. Anger at losing and greed at wanting more and more might short circuit the psi dreaming.

Hey

I just remembered something.

Um ... it's about that story about an angel showing a person heaven and hell. In hell nobody had elbows. So, everyone was standing around dirty, smally and starving. It was horrible.

Then the angel showed the person heaven. It was wonderful. Everyone was clean, fresh smelling, well fed and very happy.

But

No one had elbows in heaven either,

The person asked the angel, "How",

The angel said, "Look closer"

In heaven they did for each other. So, they did not even notice that no one had elbows.

Batt

To circumvent my anger and greed how about you give me something to focus on and I'll ask our dreaming mind to give me a dream of your winning numbers. You dont need to spill the beans on the exact draw. That might short circuit the psi again. Maybe psidreams only work when the soul is free of selfishness (free of self). As in, connected to the "unity", free of the delusion of an individual self.

Originally Posted by EbbTide000

I think my problem is greed too. I often get 2 numbers, then get over excited and bust. The greed might cause the over excitement. I think psi works best in calm, long, brainwave state and sleep. Anger at losing and greed at wanting more and more might short circuit the psi dreaming.

To circumvent my anger and greed how about you give me something to focus on and I'll ask our dreaming mind to give me a dream of your winning numbers. You dont need to spill the beans on the exact draw. That might short circuit the psi again. Maybe psidreams only work when the soul is free of selfishness (free of self). As in, connected to the "unity", free of the delusion of an individual self.

I indeed think you are onto something. And thanks for getting me to think about this. I have noticed that the days I win, I make my mind up in the morning whether to bet or not. So it is a very casual situation, no pressure, no greed, etc. And I tend to have incredible accurate numbers. And today when I bet, I had the full intention of betting before I went to bed last night.

So I have a twist. What if greed and expectations make you create precogs rather than actually experience them. Because it really is hard to know exactly if it's a precog or something you just create. So you wanting it to happen so badly, you see what you want and not what will happen? I remember someone warning me that perceived precogs can just be simply your desires.

So in my case, I may be thinking "I need numbers! I need a precog! I am going to bet tomorrow!" and voila, a manufactured precog by my brain. And my numbers were off by a mile today. If I didn't have a great track history I may just quit it all today.

So thanks for that comment. I think I will continue what I was unintentionally doing already, let it come naturally without demand or expectations.

What kind of success have you had? It's really hard to find people that actually have precogs on a regular basis.

Batt

Originally Posted by BatteryCharged

I indeed think you are onto something. And thanks for getting me to think about this. I have noticed that the days I win, I make my mind up in the morning whether to bet or not. So it is a very casual situation, no pressure, no greed, etc. And I tend to have incredible accurate numbers. And today when I bet, I had the full intention of betting before I went to bed last night.

So I have a twist. What if greed and expectations make you create precogs rather than actually experience them. Because it really is hard to know exactly if it's a precog or something you just create. So you wanting it to happen so badly, you see what you want and not what will happen? I remember someone warning me that perceived precogs can just be simply your desires.

So in my case, I may be thinking "I need numbers! I need a precog! I am going to bet tomorrow!" and voila, a manufactured precog by my brain. And my numbers were off by a mile today. If I didn't have a great track history I may just quit it all today.

So thanks for that comment. I think I will continue what I was unintentionally doing already, let it come naturally without demand or expectations.

What kind of success have you had? It's really hard to find people that actually have precogs on a regular basis.

Ohhh (!!!) Sink! Sink! Sink >Synchronicity (meaningfull coincidence), this morning my mobile wasn't charged tho it was on the charger overnight. I took my mobile to Battery World and they checked it for me. I had to buy a new phone battery. Its got a 1 year warranty and should last 2 years. I've had the new battery on the charger for a couple of hours to fill it up and, just now, my phone beeped me to let me know "BatteryCharged" hehehe

Also

I lazily shortened your username to Batt.

On the second long telephone call I got from the 80 year old Robert Van De Castle (2008) I got mad at him and called him a Batty old man. Later he got talking about ... er ... totems ... and asked me to try and guess his totem.

I said, "well I don't know, a Bat!!!" He laughed and said "No, a White Frog".

Hehehehe!!!! I love synchronicities.

I'll come back and reply to your post when I'm feeling a bit more serious.

Originally Posted by BatteryCharged

I indeed think you are onto something. And thanks for getting me to think about this. I have noticed that the days I win, I make my mind up in the morning whether to bet or not. So it is a very casual situation, no pressure, no greed, etc. And I tend to have incredible accurate numbers. And today when I bet, I had the full intention of betting before I went to bed last night.

So I have a twist. What if greed and expectations make you create precogs rather than actually experience them. Because it really is hard to know exactly if it's a precog or something you just create. So you wanting it to happen so badly, you see what you want and not what will happen? I remember someone warning me that perceived precogs can just be simply your desires.

So in my case, I may be thinking "I need numbers! I need a precog! I am going to bet tomorrow!" and voila, a manufactured precog by my brain. And my numbers were off by a mile today. If I didn't have a great track history I may just quit it all today.

So thanks for that comment. I think I will continue what I was unintentionally doing already, let it come naturally without demand or expectations.

What kind of success have you had? It's really hard to find people that actually have precogs on a regular basis.

Ohhh (!!!) Sink! Sink! Sink >Synchronicity (meaningfull coincidence), this morning my mobile wasn't charged tho it was on the charger overnight. I took my mobile to Battery World and they checked it for me. I had to buy a new phone battery. Its got a 1 year warranty and should last 2 years. I've had the new battery on the charger for a couple of hours to fill it up and, just now, my phone beeped me to let me know "BatteryCharged" hehehe

Also

I lazily shortened your username to Batt.

On the second long telephone call I got from the 80 year old Robert Van De Castle (2008) I got mad at him and called him a Batty old man. Later he got talking about ... er ... totems ... and asked me to try and guess his totem.

I said, "well I don't know, a Bat!!!" He laughed and said "No, a White Frog".

Hehehehe!!!! I love synchronicities.

I'll come back and reply to your post when I'm feeling a bit more serious.

Batt

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New to the forum, so thought I would share my interests in Lucid Dreaming from a phenomenological perspective with Lucid Precognitive Dreams.

Here is the Interview transcribed from the original source: LDE 55 [PDF]

Lucid Dream Exchange Summer Edition Issue 55 June 2010

AN INTERVIEW WITH A LUCID DREAMER
BY ROBERT WAGGONER
RESPONSES © IAN WILSON

I first heard of Ian Wilson's lucid dreaming abilities twelve years ago, and felt truly impressed. A self-taught lucid dreaming explorer, Ian Wilson, pushed, twisted and merged the boundaries of waking and dream realities. Read this interview and let your mind expand . . .

Ian, you have experienced numerous lucid dreams and OBEs. Which came first for you: the lucid dreams or the OBEs? How old were you?

The first wave of these experiences happened to me as a child, from the ages of two to five. I would experience many profound experiences during sleep, like a fusion of lucid dreams and out-of-body experiences. As I grew, this conscious awareness during sleep faded, but re-awakened when I was 15 years old with amazing lucid dreams.

What do you recall of your first lucid dream's? What excited you about lucid dreaming?

My first lucid dream came about after reading an Omni Magazine article by Stephen LaBerge describing the reality of lucid dreams. This article fuelled my curiosity and changed my life forever. I was thrilled at the possibility of being awake in my dreams and controlling them. To my total satisfaction, the article proved true and I was suddenly awake in an unlimited world that appears as real as this one.

In this dream, I was working on a military base. I had to disarm a booby trap in a tank. The trap had some type of nerve gas and when I tampered with it, it went off spraying me in the face with this deadly agent. I remember climbing out of the porthole on the top of the tank, I was gasping and fell from the top onto the dry Earth. The nerve gas was killing me, and I started to spasm and gripped a handful of dirt. My hands clawed in the dirt and started to quiver until I could no longer move my fingers.

When I died in this dream, I woke up into another dream. The transition between this one dream and the next dream assisted in the reasoning that allowed me to become lucid. In the following dream, I was walking near Okanagan Lake in Penticton BC. There was a concession stand (shaped like a peach) located in the park, which is the wrong location for such a building. There was no attendant at the peach stand so I decided to help myself. I entered the stand and grabbed a bag of M&MTM candies.

At that point a voice echoed in the dream and asked me, “Isn't that stealing?”

I thought about it and reasoned that somehow this was a dream and by that accord, taking the M&MTM's was in no way stealing. It was interesting to have this profound voice just crack open the dream and ask me such a relative question. The way it triggered my reasoning seemed to also link to the means by which I became suddenly aware that I was indeed dreaming. I remember answering back to the thought, telling it, “This is a dream, so I can' t be stealing.”

The voice replied, “How do you know this is a dream?”

I thought about it. Certainly, I was somewhere in some experience and there was no questioning that a sense of reality was present. The bigger question was, if this assumed reality was a dream, or something else?

Then I remembered the previous dream where I had died. I remembered the switch to the now current dream.

My ability to connect these dots assisted in my affirmation, “This is a dream!”

This unknown voice in the dream then said, “Prove it!”

How does one prove such a thing? Not really knowing how to prove it, I looked at what was right in front of me. There was a steel green lamp post buried in concrete. I remember focusing on the lamp post and it started to rise. The concrete started to crack and break. When the lamp post levitated, with a fairly large chunk of concrete attached to the base, I realized fully, “I am dreaming!”

I used this telekinetic levitation of the lamppost as my proof, and the thought (voice) actually laughed, “You are right; it is a dream.”

There was this exhilaration that came with realizing I was dreaming. When I knew I was dreaming, I grabbed on to the lamp post and started to levitate with it. No sooner did that happen, than I started to fly. For a first realization of lucid dreaming, it was a very incredible experience. The start of many that would follow.

Can you describe any pivotal early lucid dreams that really blew your mind? What happened? What questions did those experiences create for you?

I am sure each reader has had their own experiences with dreaming something and then days later, the dream actualizes and comes true. This prepared me for the much bigger potential that was to follow -- lucid precognitive dreams.

When I was 17, I experienced my first lucid precognitive dream. The dream unfolds in a very fun but mundane way. Imagine lying in your bed, and you start to fall asleep. The senses start to dim and the body relaxes. Suddenly you feel yourself rising upwards into this empty vast space, it almost feels like a void, that you are the only one who is there. It feels that way until a voice asks, “What would you like to experience?”

This is the start of my first lucid precognitive dream. The voice felt familiar and I remember this vast yet void like space with rivets of blue energy flowing like a vast ocean, or perhaps nebula. I remember thinking to the voice, “I want to experience people setting aside their political, religious, and social beliefs to just enjoy each other’s company.”

The voice or being then replied, “Very well,” and a two dimensional square window appeared before me. In this scene, I could see myself on a beach in a setting that was familiar to me. I remember from that state projecting into the 2D square image that suddenly became a fully lucid dream.

There are a lot of details here to cover, but what I will do is just pick out some key events that shaped the quality of such a lucid dream.

In the dream, I had my friends from high school with me. Also, there was this biker and his girlfriend who pulled up with a guitar. They began to play a really great Pink Floyd song called, “Wish You Were Here,” that I remember singing along to. Another group appeared; they were some traveling Christian group that was putting on plays for kids at schools. At one point in our discussions in the dream, they wanted to show me the play and then performed their play.

You might think all of this is pretty mundane and commonplace for a dream, but what made it spectacular is that it did come true in the most exact, perfect detail.

The lucid dream actualized into a physical event. When the dream came true down to the finest detail, I felt the same thoughts, the same emotions and the same events unfolding as they did in the lucid dream. When the lucid dream time and space synchronized with the waking moments, it brought about an aura of Déjà vu unlike anything I had ever experienced. This merging of the duality of dreams and reality clearly demonstrated to me that dreams and reality share a very intimate relationship with each other and are somehow interconnected. Moreover, waking reality itself may stem from the process of dreaming.

This made me begin to question everything. I had to question who I was, what I was and what reality was.

About twelve years ago, you appeared on the internet with a very interesting website. On the website, you had photos and witness statements which appeared to show that you had “marked” friends with a geometric symbol while lucid. Right? Tell me how this experiment got started.

This is something rarely seen in our dream literature. While lucid and using my intent, I changed a dream that had precognitive potential and involved another person’s body. Later in waking reality, the dream “materialized” or came true. Over the years, I have done this many times. I will provide some details and a bit of theory and methodology should the reader wish to pursue this avenue of exploration.

My personal theory suggests that like the electromagnetic spectrum, dreams also exist within a spectrum composed of layers, which have their own properties and purpose. Within the dreaming spectrum, there is a layer that I call the precognitive layer. In this specific band width of
dreaming, the dream creation then becomes the basic framework that we later experience here as waking reality.

So if a lucid dreamer could arrive at this layer of the dreaming spectrum, then he or she could perform an action that would later appear in waking reality. When lucid during 1996-1998, I decided to test this idea through “tagging dreams,” where I would lucidly make small marks such as geometrical triangles, circles, squares, and even hearts, when I felt like I was in the precognitive layer. The tagging shape would be the identifiable marker to then appear in waking reality.

You discovered after waking from these “tagging” lucid dreams, that when you re-enacted the dream scenario in waking reality, that the mark would then appear on their skin, right? Then you often took a photo of the mark and had your friend write up his experience.

In the beginning, I had no idea that it was even possible, but my experiences with lucid precognitive dreams did allude to this as being quite possible. All I needed to do was try.

In the dream, I remembered becoming lucid and recognized my current work place. Behind a concession counter was a person I saw and recognized from my waking life. I remember in the lucid dream thinking that this moment, this dream could have precognitive potential. There was clearly enough indication that the dream at least took place in a setting very familiar to me as it was my workplace and things looked as they normally do. My intent was still to map out the layers of the dreams and to isolate the precognitive layer. With no way to tell if I was in the precognitive layer of the dream spectrum, and only having a small window of opportunity, I decided to lift my finger in the dream and make a triangle appear on his forehead.

The triangle formed effortlessly with an uncanny precision on his head. This would be my tag, and help me practice mapping out the dream layers. The lucid dream lasted around 5 minutes.

Why I chose my friend and his forehead as the target merely reflected a quick impulsive decision that I made with no real thought of consequences, should it actually manifest and actualize as a precognitive dream in waking reality.

About three weeks later, the lucid dream actualized. Like my first lucid precognitive dream, I felt an amazing synchronicity and Déjà vu like aura as waking time and space synchronized with the lucid precognitive dream. In this reality, I stood six feet away from this person and I simply went with the flow of the lucid dream. My hand just lifted and the triangle formed as it did in the dream, perfectly on his head. It was visible enough for others to clearly see it. I remember him looking at me, as I pointed at him. Then he asked me after the fact what I did. I told him I placed a triangle on his head. A cashier next to him saw it, then she screamed and ducked behind the counter.

He ran to the bathroom and looked at it in the mirror. When he came out he was definitely shocked at the visible mark. I took a Polaroid and another follow up picture of it to have physical evidence of the experimentation. Later he wrote a statement of the account. Also he had to explain the mark to his mother who asked him how he got that strangely shaped bruise on his forehead. She saw it clearly. There was no question this was a very profound event for all of us involved.

So tell me – in the lucid dreams of marking, how did you do it?

It is all intent. There is no other means by which we can direct and focus our thoughts. Intent and dream control would be the best descriptor for this technique. If dreams are anything, they are organized thoughts.

How did people respond when you went public with this? Did people accept it or dismiss it as the power of suggestion (meaning that your friends developed marks simply because you suggested they should have a mark due to your lucid dream)?

The person in question didn't know about my lucid dream action, until the mark was left. In no way were they a willing participant in this particular experiment either. I think that eliminates suggestion. A newspaper published an article about my experiments and I published the accounts on the Internet, but the response was little impact. The lack of interest was no surprise to me. It may simply sound too crazy for people to accept as being true. My purpose wasn’t to prove something to the world as much as to prove it to myself and learn from it. This event was real, it did happen and the photographs serve to remind me.

What is more important is developing a viable process by which other dreamers may attempt to explore this precognitive potential that exists within the lucid dream experience. I hope at least to inspire these types of people to dig deeper and go further in their own exploration of lucid dreams.

How did you explain it to yourself?

It was 1998, and I would be 27 years old at the time. I already had 10 years of experiencing lucid precognitive dreams and had tried mapping marks a number of times. The person who experienced the triangle on the forehead would be the first and last person that I would ever target in a dream during this mapping phase. After 1998, I was completely satisfied that I could influence change on a dream that had precognitive potential and those changes would happen here. There was no need for further personal evidence.

I firmly knew and understood this covert relationship between dreams and reality. Also, I had placed a mark on my left hand, which is very subtle. It serves as a reminder to me, like a string on my finger should I ever doubt any of this.

Later, your website showed something equally incredible. The local paper ran an article in which you stated that you had become lucid and intended an unusual cloud configuration, right? Then, sometime later in waking reality, the unusual cloud configuration appeared. Please tell us about that.

This event with the cloud was the most spectacular phenomenological experience that I had witnessed to date. As a lucid dreamer, I often prove to myself that I am indeed dreaming by changing the dream. Changing a dream acts as a form of personal validation. In this particular lucid dream I was standing on a street close to my home at night. There was a small cloud, probably a couple of football fields long and oval shaped.

In the lucid dream I affirmed I was dreaming by causing this cloud to form a perfectly shaped triangle, which it did.

There was no indication that this would ever come true. Like all of my precognitive lucid dreams, it wasn’t until it actually came true and I could experience that synchronization that I would then be dumbfounded by the experience. I remember walking home from my friend’s house at night. When I got to the point where the dreamt event was actualizing, I had the same realizations and lucidity that I had in the original dream.

What made the physical event a little different was I hesitated for a couple of seconds, enough to allow the cloud to move a little further than where it was positioned in the dream. When the cloud formed the triangle, it actually moved backwards to the focus point I had in the dream and formed the same triangle. I am sure many people will not believe this and I seldom share the story.

I know it happened. There were some other occurrences like this, not on the scale of this particular event. During my mapping phase, I had lost track of how many lucid precognitive dreams actually actualized. Suffice it to say, it was a lot. Now you might ask, how does one express intent?

How do any of us change a dream we are aware of?

A real life example is to move your hand left or right, or in a direction you intend to move. That same act of thinking and intent is how intent is also used in a dream.

Your early experiments very clearly indicate that a talented lucid dreamer can influence what will happen later on in waking reality while consciously aware in the dream state. How did you feel about that? What issues did it raise in your mind?

There is a lot to be said about having dreams that come true and a lot more for changing them before they come true. I have no ego attached to the experience; it was a learning experience for me. I think once a person fully digests the reality that they have dreams that come true, it's a big turning point in how they start to view the world. I know when I was 15 the reality of precognition frightened me and I was scared at the slightest thought that a dream somehow could predict the future.

The lucid precognitive dreams took this precognitive experience to a whole other level with a much larger scale factor to deal with. It presented the same experience with the added logical and analytical cognitive faculties that come with being lucid in a dream. This really changed my life forever. I crossed a bridge that cannot be undone. Once traversed all there is, is a grand dream of which we are all participating in.

To further explore this truth, if you are a person who has experienced firsthand your own dreams that have come true, then perhaps you may find what I have shared far more plausible than if you lack this experience. All I can do is share my experience and point the way. Changing a precognitive dream when lucid follows a very natural progression with the precognitive potential. This experience has altered my own belief systems; which brings me to what issues it raised in my mind.

The first issue is a belief society holds that dreams do not have any relationship with this reality. Knowing that dreams do have a relationship with this reality then begs the question, what is this reality if it is at first a dream?

Dreams if you break them down are really just organized thought projections and they have no physical matter or energy behind them. Our society is very dream illiterate, and the skill itself is very atrophic in most people I meet. Most people treat dreams like they are garbage thoughts the mind produces and are not worth remembering. It seems to me that dreams are a gateway into a much larger system of reality.

We may find that all reality stems from this process of dreaming, and that our Universe is built on the principles of organized thought and consciousness. Physical reality may be a sub-system within this much larger nonphysical reality.

Oftentimes, people reading an account like this feel shock, if not disbelief. Even simple ideas, like healing one’s self in a lucid dream, strike some unexperienced people as bordering on the bizarre. You obviously sought to provide evidence for these lucid dream/waking world interactions. What does this evidence suggest?

Let me share one dream that literally set in stone how I believe people react to the truth of my experience. In this one dream, I was on a train feeding coal into a fire. The train had come to a stop as it caught on fire and started to burn. We all exited the train and I was in this beautiful open field deep within a forest. There was a river and I went to drink from the water. In the river bed there was all of this quartz, and in some of the quartz was gold. I was excited to have found gold, and pulled a piece of it out from the quartz.

I went over to a person to show him the gold. When I passed it to him, the gold turned into fool’s gold, and he replied, “It's fool’s gold.”

What this dream metaphorically taught me was that one man's truth is another man's fool's gold. That truth has to be experienced to be realized, it cannot always be handed to you. Each of us must find our own gold, our own truth.

Some experienced lucid dreamers have used their intent to perform lucid dream healings. Have you ever tried to heal yourself or another in a lucid dream? What happened?

I'll share the first healing that I experienced when I was 18 years old. It was in November of 1990 and I woke up late at night with a burning fever, inflamed lungs with lots of mucus, and a severe headache. The terrible cold flashes, and the clammy feeling of the fever was making me angry. I just wanted to sleep and wished the whole illness would go away. I laid in bed coughing, dreading how terrible I felt. Finally I was fed up and my anger aided in a fast instant projection outside my physical body.

I felt much better since I was in an out-of-body state observing my ill body lying on the bed. Almost as if instinctive, I sat down on the floor in a meditative position, and strong waves of white light with blue/green hues poured from my hands and flowed from my hands like a fountain and bent towards my physical body forming a balloon of light around it. My whole focus was to heal my body. The whole room fluctuated and several humanoid shapes appeared around me. They had no color, no visual details other than the fact they maintained a humanoid shape.

I observed them and acknowledged their presence and entered my body. Still sick with flu, I woke up. I felt worse if not better for the moment; then it happened. Instantly the nervous pins and needles that the flu was causing instantly turned off. Then, the hot and cold flashes followed. Third was the headache. It felt like someone literally stuck something in my head at that point and drained the headache from me. At this time, I was in denial because it was spanning over seconds. Fortunately this did not stop the healing. The final phase was all the mucus in my nasal passages and lungs. It felt like they were just bubbling away inside me. One moment I could not breathe, the next moment I would not have known I was even sick with the flu.

The whole process occurred nearly instantaneously. That was my first and last taste of this potential. I guarantee many a fever has come and gone where I wished for similar results and had none. Clearly a skill that may exist but I suck at.

In lucid dreaming, we all encounter dream figures or dream characters. In my book, I suggest that dream figures are actually much more varied than normally supposed. Also it appears that some dream figures have an awareness equal to or beyond that of the lucid dreamer. What’s your take on dream figures? Are they all symbols from our mind, or something else?

This is interesting as we are embarking on the more collective nature of dreaming rather than the subjective nature that we assume exists. When we encounter intelligence in dreams that appear to be greater or beyond our own current understanding of ourselves, that intelligence may show you that you are a part of a greater whole, that you are in fact interconnected within the scope of an entire Universe. What can be revealed is an epic truth, that we are part of a greater consciousness, a greater reality. That we are all one.

This may be the most shocking truth. Personally I think it is more profound than all of the phenomenological experiences I have had to date. That realization alone should aid us in seeing everything as aspects of a greater self, whereby everything exists as individualized parts. Everything is connected and self-similar.

The profound nature of this oneness, as hard as it is to believe or accept, is at the core of what we all are. Each of us exist as an individual part of a Universal Consciousness, self-similar to how a cell is an individual part of our body, and a part of us. The whole Universe functions on these interconnected principles. The reality that exists in Dreams is a gateway to a larger system of reality by which we will find parts of ourselves
on a scale factor that dwarf human consciousness and human intelligence. We may call it God or whatever label, the fact remains... bigger fish swim in this ocean than just human intelligence.

Quite a red pill in my opinion, but one worth swallowing and realizing.

Lucid dreamers toss around the idea of mutual lucid dreams and how to validate those experiences. Have you had a mutual lucid dream? Anything about it that suggests a valid, consensual encounter in a dream space?

This is all part of the dreaming package. I hope more people connect with their friends and family in these mutual dream states. My first mutual dream was with my best friend, again when I was still in high school. The first time it happened, I was totally oblivious to this potential and of course totally blown away when we realized we both shared a dream. When we had this mutual dream, I called him that morning and I would tell him part of the dream, he would tell me other parts... in no time we realized that we had shared a dream.

I would have several mutual dreams with this person and other friends as well. In one case, I actually drew a picture from his dream and when we met one day he told me about the dream. To totally blow his mind, I drove right over to my house to show him the picture which in turn, blew his mind because there was the dream he was describing all drawn out in comic cell form.

In another case, I was at work when some girls started talking about a dream they had only to find out that all three of them had the same dream. I remember the dream had some very unique and exaggerated features like an over sized picnic table with engravings on it. The girls were all talking about these unique features confirming and remembering the same details with one another. It was awesome to be there watching people come to the realization that they may have shared a dream.

Dreams are a far greater part of reality then we give them credit for. Our planet suffers from dream illiteracy, and perhaps one day I can help others overcome this limitation, and I do feel that sharing in our experiences will help. People need to remember they are dreamers down here... get back to the core of who and what they really are.

What kind of experiments would you like to see conducted in lucid dreaming, and why? What lucid explorations do you find yourself doing nowadays?

That's a good question. A lot more personal experimentation is needed. My current lucid exploration has become limited as I have had so many lifestyle changes. I tend to sleep a lot less, 2-4 hours a night due to workload and family demands. My dreaming schedule has become less stable for the level of lucid dream exploration I am accustomed too. However, I do manage to get out and sometimes I stretch clock time during sleep where two hours of sleep may yield days of dreams. Clock time and psychological dream time do not need to tick side by side.

Have your lucid dreaming experiences affected your views on spirituality?

Absolutely. I had no spirituality until I woke up and realized there was a far greater reality than just the limited box I was stuffed into called a physical body. Now I know in a full-spectrum way, that there truly is a greater reality far beyond the reach of just this world. We exist in an amazing Universe. It's epic!

Any final advice for our readers about lucid dreaming?

Yes, get lucid... be conscious during sleep. You possess the keys to an amazing vehicle that you can drive when your body is asleep at night. All it needs is you to take the wheel, put the key in and drive out into the vastness of dream reality.

Yes, I have seen his posts/site before. I thought about the triangle thing before and I think he is looking at it from the wrong angle. He thinks he CAUSED the red triangle, but IMHO, he foresaw the red triangle then in his dream state he created a story around it. I've had dreams like that where I misunderstand the dream but after it happens in real life, I understand what it meant. I have long examples but they are so long to explain...bleh.

So it's like seeing the a funky cloud in your dream, then forming an idea from the information that you created the cloud from mashed potatoes. In real life you see the cloud form as in your dream, and you assume you created it with your super powers.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

I am glad I have someone to talk to. I don't share these precogs w/ anyone but ppl online. No one believes you then they make fun of you, so meh.

I wish I had posted my numbers from yesterday that were a TOTALLY failure. Just to verify what just happened. Remember when I said my precog was either bogus or UNTIMELY?? Like I said before, I'd have dreams for lotto numbers that were one drawing off. And I'd bet a ton because the precog seemed legit, only to lose and see the numbers on the next drawing!

Well hello again. No wonder my precog was so good, the numbers I bet yesterday hit TODAY!!! AHHHH!!

Had I bet all the money/numbers today that I had bet yesterday, I would be up $5000.

Even more, I went casual today, no intent to bet. I didn't. And I dreamed of 2 of the numbers that hit. Ohmy.

My precog yesterday was 69. I'm dealing w/ 3 digit so I bet $150 several times on all combinations of 69. Numbers that hit were 411, total fail.

Numbers today? 693. Wow. Even worse, I dreamed last night of a recurrence of 39.

Sometimes it feels like precogs are just spirits messing with me. My lotto story is even more tragic. Had I bet the same numbers from Wednesday on a Saturday....you'd be calling me a millionaire.

I'm pacing the floor right now. WOW. Nervous anxious. Unbelievable.

Well thanks for being there, lmao.


Heck I could just post images of my tickets to prove that I bet it. That's even more legit. Yeesh.

Okay the image file is too big.

Check this out, a FEW of my tickets from yesterday. Each STR ticket is $500 and each BOX is $83.

Tickets:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2ep0wns.jpg

Winning numbers today:

https://www.michiganlottery.com/daily_3_info?

I woke this morning with a bit of excitement. It usually comes when something good is going to happen. As if I had a dream that I can't remember that told me something exciting is going to happen. A lot of times I will guess what's going to happen. For instance if my sports team is playing, I assume they will win. And they do.

Despite not winning I'm pretty happy my precog was real. Almost without exception my precogs are valid when they feel legit. Sometimes they just take time to be true.

I had this weird dream once about a man from the early 20th century with a big fuzzy mustache washing himself. It seemed like a legit precog. I made the note in my journal. But it's like "uh, is this a ghost from my old house, where will I see a man from the 20s?".

6 months later I'm watching Peaky Blinders and there he is!

I like dreamin but I some times use this:

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I make-up an easy chant and click this clicker at every repitition, as I go to sleep. In the morning (or after the sleep) I try to remember a dream (looking for numbers). And I also look at my clicker and see if the last 2 digits are drawn too.

I am Debra 55 of Adelaide, South Australia. I have a mandala that I anchored off shore between the Henley Beach and Grange Jetties. So that dreamers can find their way too me for a bit off mutual dreaming (hahaha).

Here is me and my ... dream thingy.

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Do you want meet on my "sacred beach"

I'm not afraid of dream shark. One swallowed me once (I was a playful-penguin, in the drean) but I swam threw his intestines and out the other end (hahaha). Do U want to come through my dream mandala on to my sacred beach (here at Henley Beach) as my dream shark (???)

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The last post on that thread (post #26 date 6-June-2014) was yours BatteryCharged. You wrote:

Originally Posted by BatteryCharged

There is such a thing as time, but on a simplistic level. There used to be a law that said matter was indestructible and for most common people that is true. But to nuclear scientists not so much.

Time makes sense on a mundane level. But it doesn't in extreme cases.

And this is why people that doubt precogs are often confused, they use the simplistic idea of time to show precogs are impossible.

I've had precogs that helped me change the future. How exciting is that?

I've always said everything is predictable if you are all-knowing. Just like physical laws predict physical events, i.e. I throw a ball you can predict where to catch it. Is that precog?

If I understand all, I can tell you how everything will play out. Just like laws of physics.

But physics also says, according to Heisenberg, that we can only guess with a probability of what will happen.

Enter, multiple universes, multiple outcomes, multiple realities. So with precogs you may be viewing an alternate reality that affords you the ability to cross over to another reality.

People that doubt precogs, as if it's too strange to be real, have never study quantum mechanics or relativity.

( dreamcatcher81, YAD, shadowofwind. WakingNomad, tP97, Sageous, JoannaB, silencer82, you and me all contributed to this thread)

Here is that thread:

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*looks like my assumption about brainwaves won't carry this model through. A mechanism is still at large although the general ideas in physics still describe my dream experience.*

In a dream state, it does feel like consciousness has stopped moving through waking spacetime and I have another frame of reference when observing the content of my dreams. Events from one dream can span a period of years for instance.*

My dreams that support this model are found at*Weird Dreams | A Case Study In Precognitive Dreams.

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I will transcribe what excites me.*

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(00:16) - I had precognitive dreams (...) so there must be some reasonable explanation.

One of he biggest objections to accepting the phenomenon of precognitive dreaming is that there is no known mechanism. I mean, how can one dream the future if it hasn't happened yet?*

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Is it even possible to explain cognitive dreaming without resorting to supernatural causes, wildly speculative theories of physics or just dismissing the phenomena as an abnormal-normal delusion or fraud ?

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I believe precognitive dreaming can be explained using already accepted laws of physics and a little bit of neuroscience.

Here's my idea.

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I believe precognitive dreaming can be explained using already accepted laws of physics and a little bit of neuroscience.

Here's my idea.*

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I am (?) and here is my idea for Precognitive Dreaming.

There are three components to this model and one reasonable assumption.

First off, physics tells us two things about the world we live in.

Number 1) - Two events happening in two different locations that occur simultaneously in one reference frame of one inertial observer may occur none simultaneously in the reference frame of another inertial observer. This is Einstein's relativity of simultainity.

Number 2) - Time dialation.

The time lapse between two events is not invarient from one observer to another. But is dependent on the relative speeds of the observer's reference frames.

From Neuroscience we know neurons create brain waves. The human brain is made up of millions of pin head sized neurons. As neurons interact patterns manifest as thoughts. Such as when viewing a beautiful building or meeting someone.

Emotional states can be encoded as well.

Every interaction between neurons creates an electrical charge. These waves can be measured by an EEG machine, (electro-encephla+gram), machine.

On to dreams, thankfully my area of expertise.

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Let's**a pre-cognitive dream as a dream whose content describes or contains events, people, places, things and/or feelings**events, people, places, things and/or feelings encounted in waking life**the dream occurred.

There is usually a stipulation in this definition that the information in the dream could not be deduced from information available to the dreamer through normal senses at the time of the dream.

It (?) the definition of pre-cognitive dreams with an attempt to find an explanation for pre-cognitive dreams and causes us to ignore revealing data.

A model for cognitive dreaming needs to address 3 points:

1) - What exactly is the precognitive information?

2) - Where does it come from?

3) - and how does it travel back in time?

(3:00) I have a number of recorded dreams that ended up being precognitive so I have some data to work with.

My own Future thoughts

(3:00) I have a number of recorded dreams that ended up being precognitive so I have some data to work with.*

From observing my dreams I've noticed the following:

1) - My dreams are.precognitive by our model's definition.

2) - The dream content doesn't contain anything, more revelatory, than I eventually experience in waking life

3) - And my dreams are full of my own opinions and even occasionally they include my own objective mistakes.

(3:30) From this I conclude that*my precognitive dreams*are**(!!!???!!!)

(3:34) So now we have somthing yo look for.

Imagin in 1995 I go to sleep and I have a dream that a
I have a cute and cuddly dog with oddly purple feet.

Fast foward to 2005.

My friend moves oit of the country and asks me to adpt her dog. I agree and she delivers him one snowy morning wearing purple dog booties. (3:57).

There is someone else you would like. His Name is [b] Dale Graff [b]. I met him at the 24/7 Two week online Psiber Dreaming Conference (pdc).

Originally Posted by EbbTide000

PsiDreams folk,

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I might even transcribe the whole 20 minutes.

Dale Graff did the remote viewing experiment at the pdc the target turned out to be those Pyramids in a French museum.


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(6:13) … Now, my involvement here is from Dreams.

I went through one of these experiences having no idea what was going on. (…) I was alerted through dreams. (In dreams) I was flooded by tsunamis, being charged with electricity, it felt like I was being electrocuted. (…)

(7:23) As a result of this experience this took maybe a 90 degree turn from being an Aerospace Engineer physicist into say, “Hey! What’s going on here”.

(10:05) … And I was able to integrate both the conscious state side of remote viewing with the Dream State …

(10:52) … I put that to the test with precognition. And I started looking at the future, where nobody knows the targe (because) it is no longer existing yet … (…) And that was this:

On the night of January the twenty-seventh I decided to have a dream about the most significant event for the next week. (..)

I went to sleep and late that morning I had these true, very brief, images.



I went to sleep and late that morning I had these true, very brief, images. You can see them here (…) … Turbulence, thin velocity streaks. An airplane pops out. Out of one of the streaks then the dream presents a still.



I am now looking at a still photograph in the still. And a spotlight comes on. This is the some of my dreams work; they spotlight the area and illuminates that spot. And I could see that it had illuminated a crack at the wing junction. (End Of Dream)

(11:54) Ok, five days later was the tragic situation with the shuttle when it burned up in re-entry over texas.

So that schetch of streaks in the sky matches that dramatic incident

Later, when I got ground truth on what really caused the accident, that sketch, that still photograph, that I got in the dream, does correlate very nicely to the eventual analysis.



And this is five days before the tragedy occurred. (12:25)

Dale Graff did the remote viewing experiment at the pdc the target turned out to be those Pyramids in a French museum.

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Okay, I have a riddle for you.

If precogs are generated because an event is emotionally significant, how do you make an event super-charged so that you precog it??

For instance, if you won the lottery, you would most likely precog it. But if you could win the lottery w/ out a precog, the precog is meaningless anyway.

It's a chicken/egg dilemma. You want to cause the event to happen, but you need the event to happen to precog it in order to cause it!

One way I tried to get this to happen is to use 3 digit numbers and bet 50% of the numbers (pretty cheap w/ almost no return). The idea is that when you win, you precog the number then bet the number significantly more times. So lets say I bet 50% and 123 wins. In my precog I see 123, then I bet 123 100 times.

But this hasn't worked to much satisfaction.

I think there are several events that cause a precog; surprise, shock, immense happiness, sex-related, etc.

It just seems like a difficult puzzle to solve. How do you guarantee surprise?? It's like telling someone how to scare you. If you know it's coming, how shocking can it be?

It might be simpler, I hope but I dont know.

Originally Posted by BatteryCharged

Okay, I have a riddle for you.

If precogs are generated because an event is emotionally significant, how do you make an event super-charged so that you precog it??

For instance, if you won the lottery, you would most likely precog it. But if you could win the lottery w/ out a precog, the precog is meaningless anyway.

It's a chicken/egg dilemma. You want to cause the event to happen, but you need the event to happen to precog it in order to cause it!

One way I tried to get this to happen is to use 3 digit numbers and bet 50% of the numbers (pretty cheap w/ almost no return). The idea is that when you win, you precog the number then bet the number significantly more times. So lets say I bet 50% and 123 wins. In my precog I see 123, then I bet 123 100 times.

But this hasn't worked to much satisfaction.

I think there are several events that cause a precog; surprise, shock, immense happiness, sex-related, etc.

It just seems like a difficult puzzle to solve. How do you guarantee surprise?? It's like telling someone how to scare you. If you know it's coming, how shocking can it be?

Falling asleep excited and wondering if I'll have a "Hit" in my dream, to my online friends target is a powerful key to getting powerful and accurate dreams from "Our-Dreaming-Mind" (me thinks)

But

I gotta get online friends to give me a target.

I asked WakingNomad years ago to pick a lotto draw but gambling is illegal in Hawaii, even horse racing, so that put paid to that idea. WakingNomad is one of the very few who is willing to try dream stuff.

Everyone likes to talk but so few host or participate.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating and the proof of all this PsiDream stuff is in the hosting and participating.

Like

Someone, out there, pick a draw and let me ask "Our Dreaming Mind" to show me the winning numbers in my dreams.

It's important that I don't know the "target" (draw) because that kills the "child like innocence" so o o important for me to "hit".

To be honest, I'm a very solitary person. Most of my dreams and precogs are what I will experience eventually. I am almost certain if something dreadful happened to someone close to me, I would not precog it. Or if there were a disaster somewhere around the world, no precog. My precogs are like a signal sent back from me.

I also fear control in dreams because I think the subconscious is responsible for my precogs and I just want to go along for the ride. I compare it to anything you learn to do in life. When you first learn something, you concentrate on it, and sort of burn it into your mind. But later on you simply do it automatically, no deliberate thought process, it is done subconsciously.

Let's say you play golf. Eventually your swing will be "natural".

That's how I feel about dreaming. I don't want to upset the apple cart and try to control my dreams, although I do in a way. I want it to happen however it's going to happen. I could probably do precogs through meditation, I've done it before. But I find it hard to 'not' concentrate while awake. Sleep is so much easier.

I'm not really into remote viewing or anything like that. Pretty much I'm strictly into self examination but I really would like to find people doing the same things. It may not be you, but I saw the keno attempt and thought I would see what's up.

Originally Posted by BatteryCharged

To be honest, I'm a very solitary person. Most of my dreams and precogs are what I will experience eventually. I am almost certain if something dreadful happened to someone close to me, I would not precog it. Or if there were a disaster somewhere around the world, no precog. My precogs are like a signal sent back from me.

I also fear control in dreams because I think the subconscious is responsible for my precogs and I just want to go along for the ride. I compare it to anything you learn to do in life. When you first learn something, you concentrate on it, and sort of burn it into your mind. But later on you simply do it automatically, no deliberate thought process, it is done subconsciously.

Let's say you play golf. Eventually your swing will be "natural".

That's how I feel about dreaming. I don't want to upset the apple cart and try to control my dreams, although I do in a way. I want it to happen however it's going to happen. I could probably do precogs through meditation, I've done it before. But I find it hard to 'not' concentrate while awake. Sleep is so much easier.

I'm not really into remote viewing or anything like that. Pretty much I'm strictly into self examination but I really would like to find people doing the same things. It may not be you, but I saw the keno attempt and thought I would see what's up.

Dark Green "Ditto"

Saturday 20-Dec-14 Dream I woke from about 6am.

I was asleep. I heard a knock on my door. I called out, "Wait a minute!"

I pushed out of bed and stumbled in the dark to put my nightgown on. My ballance was good because I clambered-over my been bag (in the dark) without falling.

I opened my bedroom door and there was a man with a nice dog. He said, "I just thought I betterlet you know that I'm keeping this nice dog in my room and it don't matter if the landlady finds out and kicks me out because I'm leaving in 2 weeks".

Then I saw another 2 nice dogs in the corridor near the courtyard. I got down and hugged the silky, floppy-eared, medium sizee, very calm and friendly dog, sitting next to the man.

Next, I was dreaming about a different man with 3 baby snakes, snuggly wrapped around hiswrist and fingers. I wanted one. Next he had a large (thick) 2 or 3 foot snake (black and yellow) on his chest. I wanted it. It jumped onto my chest, turned into ashadow, fell on the floor and the snake shadow disappeared. (eod)

When I woke I went to the calendar on the back of my door. Counted 14 days and circled the 3rd of Jan 2015 to see what happens to that guest here at my boarding house. Will he get a lovely dog and move out? He has lived here almost as long as me (about 20 years.

He hasnt knocked on my door for years but I see him lots around the boarding house. A few hours ago he knocked on my door to ask if the pension comes early when its due on a holiday day. I told him yes then told him about the dream. He's not a dog person and none of the 3 dogs mean any thing to him.

Just now 10pm Sun 21/12/14 I heard for the first tim, a TV add about a lotto megga-draw to be drawn on Saturday January 3rd

Wow

I'm going to ask Our-Dreaming-Mind to give me dreams of THAT lotto mega-draw. Then I'll give that guy the filled-out coupon with my dream numbers on it. Then give him the money to play the coupon. If the numbers come-up, the winnings are exclusively his.

So now I can fall asleep till the 3rd of January with that excitement, in the pit of my stomach, wondering if my dreams will hit the target.

Yippppppppppeeeeeeeee!!!!!
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