Thread: Do Lucid Dreamers Have A Particular Learning Mode/style In Common?

VAK type is:
Multimodal. I took all three tests, first one: KVA, spread 2. Second: VKA, spread 4. Third: AVK, Spread 5.

Do you DILD? If so, how?
Sometimes. It's usually through form dreamsigns.

Do you do waking RCs? If so, which? And do they work - i.e. do you find yourself doing them in a DILD?
Nose Pinch and Watch, but not often. I rarely do them in a DILD.

Natural or Learnt LDer? [N/L]:
L
(I've never had a lucid dream I could remember before I learned about LD'ing)

Frequency of LDs
[1-5 /night = 1, 1-5 /week = 2, 1-5 /month = 3, 1-5/year = 4, never = 5]:
3.5

Perceived Duration of LDs
[10+ minutes = 1, 1-10 minutes = 2, 1-60 seconds = 3]:
2

Control of/in LDs
[1 = god-like total; 2 = control over DCs, and dream world with advanced abilities such as telekinesis, teleport, manifesting etc; 3 = full awarness of dream, full conscious control of 'normal' self; 4 = aware of dreaming, some control of self]:
Depends, usually it's 3 combined with a little bit of 2.

VAK type is ?:
Multimodel

Do you DILD? If so, how?
Yes, it is me realizing it is a dream without actually performing an in-depth reality check. The means vary, but it is always me noticing a lack of detailed stimulation that waking life provides, such as sights, sounds, and physical feelings.

Do you do waking RCs? If so, which? And do they work - i.e. do you find yourself doing them in a DILD?
Rarely. Fingers-through-hand, pinching my nose, flipping on lights.

Natural or Learnt LDer? [N/L]:
Natural who has developed on his skills as they faded.

Frequency of LDs
[1-5 /night = 1, 1-5 /week = 2, 1-5 /month = 3, 1-5/year = 4, never = 5]:
3

Perceived Duration of LDs
[10+ minutes = 1, 1-10 minutes = 2, 1-60 seconds = 3]:
1

Control of/in LDs
[1 = god-like total; 2 = control over DCs, and dream world with advanced abilities such as telekinesis, teleport, manifesting etc; 3 = full awarness of dream, full conscious control of 'normal' self; 4 = aware of dreaming, some control of self]:
1

VAK type is ?:

Spoiler for VAK overwhelmingly:

Visual = 25
Auditory = 15
Kinesthetic = 14
Preferences: VAK
Spread = 10

Visual = 10
Auditory = 5
Kinesthetic = 3
Preferences: VAK
Spread = 5

Visual = 44
Auditory = 36
Kinesthetic = 31
Preferences: VAK
Spread = 8

Do you DILD? If so, how?
Yes. Reality checking and some spontaneous lucids that are often stabilized via RCing. More now that are suspicious and highly suspect that are confirmed by RC. Extremely rare that I randomly RC and find myself lucid.

Do you do waking RCs? If so, which? And do they work - i.e. do you find yourself doing them in a DILD?
Yes. Particularly by looking at my hands, finger-through palm, and digital time/text check. I also do mental/memory RCs. The one that ends up in my dreams most often is the finger-through palm, and it has been for about a year now.

Natural or Learnt LDer? [N/L]:
L. My very first one was natural, but since then I have had to work hard to learn all about LDing and keep a dedicated DJ and cultivate awareness and RCs.

Frequency of LDs
[1-5 /night = 1, 1-5 /week = 2, 1-5 /month = 3, 1-5/year = 4, never = 5]:
2, when I'm in a groove I will get about 1-5 per week, with 2-4 being on average unless I am able to chain them via a DEILD, or if I'm in a particularly bad dryspell.

Perceived Duration of LDs
[10+ minutes = 1, 1-10 minutes = 2, 1-60 seconds = 3]:
2 for the majority, interspersed with shitty short ones and then those fantastic gems that seem to last 15-20+ min

Control of/in LDs
[1 = god-like total; 2 = control over DCs, and dream world with advanced abilities such as telekinesis, teleport, manifesting etc; 3 = full awarness of dream, full conscious control of 'normal' self; 4 = aware of dreaming, some control of self]:
2. I would say godlike but I come across some things I just have trouble controlling (like the sun ) and others I'm great at. Overall I'm very pleased with my dream control and there is little that I cannot achieve, unless I end up waking before I have a chance to.

VAK type is ?:
VKA

Do you DILD? If so, how?
I'll notice dream signs....or (V) things just don't look right

Do you do waking RCs? If so, which? And do they work - i.e. do you find yourself doing them in a DILD?
I don't do them throughout the day like most people. I'll just do them when things seem abnormal. That's when I'll try to fly or use TK powers.

Natural or Learnt LDer? [N/L]:
Learnt...I've had LDs without any knowledge of them in the past though.

Frequency of LDs
[1-5 /night = 1, 1-5 /week = 2, 1-5 /month = 3, 1-5/year = 4, never = 5]:
4...on average I have about 4 LDs a month


Perceived Duration of LDs
[10+ minutes = 1, 1-10 minutes = 2, 1-60 seconds = 3]:
2
10+ on average about 10 minutes...but some seem to have lasted up to an hour.

Control of/in LDs
[1 = god-like total; 2 = control over DCs, and dream world with advanced abilities such as telekinesis, teleport, manifesting etc; 3 = full awarness of dream, full conscious control of 'normal' self; 4 = aware of dreaming, some control of self]:
2 I've altered time space size weather and probablilty...but normally I'll stick to basics...I feel that certain things effect the length of the dream. also I'm still observant to what I would normally dream about just to see what my mind throws at me.

Originally Posted by slimslowslider

I am particularly interested in RCs and learning modes. i.e. I would hypothesise that the best RC for an individual would be one that taps the strengths of their learning mode.

You don't define LD.

How can you then know? Are your categories exclusive, independent. This or that?

Originally Posted by slimslowslider

Control of/in LDs
[1 = god-like total; 2 = control over DCs, and dream world with advanced abilities such as telekinesis, teleport, manifesting etc; 3 = full awarness of dream, full conscious control of 'normal' self; 4 = aware of dreaming, some control of self]:

Are your categories comprehensive? Are there no other alternatives?

This is like being in kindergarten. Back to school.

Suggest you read: 1) Heiddeger, "Being & Time"; 2) Wittgenstein, "Brown & Blue Books".

How about ... Mere awareness? Simple being and acting with IN knowing? How about just ... knowingly being with dream as it is known to be such by dreamer although not awakingly there... ?

Someone in that mode don't do RC. Don't need it. If merely human ... don't seek "control".

PQ

It won't let me take the test... needs a pass/user <.<

Originally Posted by Walms

It won't let me take the test... needs a pass/user <.<

Same here.

My browser is popping up with

Spoiler for security issues:

Secure Connection Failed

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The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown.

(Error code: sec_error_unknown_issuer)

Here's another VAK test.

http://www2.amk.fi/mater/kauppa_ja_t...asting/vak.php

Got AKV from the link yellowlight posted.

Got AKV from the link yellowlight posted.

Same here.

Originally Posted by Posquant

You don't define LD.

How can you then know? Are your categories exclusive, independent. This or that?

Some time ago all this ... :p But I dont think I need to - I'm using the generally accepted definition from the front page of Dream Views. But also as I suggest, and acknowledge in the question - there are types, levels or degrees of lucidity and control.

Are your categories comprehensive? Are there no other alternatives?

Neither - just a starting point for discussion - and its a scale rather than a taxonomy that I'm interested in here.

This is like being in kindergarten. Back to school.

Suggest you read: 1) Heiddeger, "Being & Time"; 2) Wittgenstein, "Brown & Blue Books".

LOL - no thanks, life is too short - got more interesting things to do... such as being. Zen is quicker and more direct IMO

How about ... Mere awareness? Simple being and acting with IN knowing? How about just ... knowingly being with dream as it is known to be such by dreamer although not awakingly there... ?

You're right - so that would be level 5 :p one step up from level 6 - 'dreaming'.... But since I'm interested in control those levels are less relevant to this 'study'.
By the way I'm not attempting pure 'science' - would be nice to get some consent, but its all anecdotal and subjective.

Thanks for your comments.

VAK type is ?:
KAV

Do you DILD? If so, how?
Yes, just realise, like if I would realise anything, much like realising that you forgot your coat or something

Do you do waking RCs? If so, which? And do they work - i.e. do you find yourself doing them in a DILD?
I just breathe and assess the situation

Natural or Learnt LDer? [N/L]:
L

Frequency of LDs
[1-5 /night = 1, 1-5 /week = 2, 1-5 /month = 3, 1-5/year = 4, never = 5]:
3

Perceived Duration of LDs
[10+ minutes = 1, 1-10 minutes = 2, 1-60 seconds = 3]:
1

Control of/in LDs
[1 = god-like total; 2 = control over DCs, and dream world with advanced abilities such as telekinesis, teleport, manifesting etc; 3 = full awarness of dream, full conscious control of &#39;normal&#39; self; 4 = aware of dreaming, some control of self]:

2 when I'm fully aware, sometimes I just forget really easily

Wow old thread ressurect, also apparently I missed part of this when I first posted so...

VAK type is ?:
AKV

Do you DILD? If so, how?
Yes, through the gravity RC.

Do you do waking RCs? If so, which? And do they work - i.e. do you find yourself doing them in a DILD?
Yes, gravity RC, I become lucid through them most of the time.

Natural or Learnt LDer? [N/L]:
L
Started practicing early age, though.

Frequency of LDs
[1-5 /night = 1, 1-5 /week = 2, 1-5 /month = 3, 1-5/year = 4, never = 5]:
1 though if I sleep properly the regular is above 5/night, so depends.

Perceived Duration of LDs
[10+ minutes = 1, 1-10 minutes = 2, 1-60 seconds = 3]:
1

Control of/in LDs
[1 = god-like total; 2 = control over DCs, and dream world with advanced abilities such as telekinesis, teleport, manifesting etc; 3 = full awarness of dream, full conscious control of &#39;normal&#39; self; 4 = aware of dreaming, some control of self]:
4 mostly, rarely control aspects of the dream beyond my dream-body.

VAK type is ?:
VKA

Do you DILD? If so, how?
Yes. I usually notice something is strange (like a giant butterfly) or changes (a room turning into a different room after I leave and walk back in) and then realize it's a dream.

Do you do waking RCs? If so, which? And do they work - i.e. do you find yourself doing them in a DILD?
Yes. I usually do the Carlos Castaneda hand check, then look around and make sure nothing is strange or changes. Also, when reviewing my dreams the next morning in my dream journal, I underline the dreamsigns where I should have done a RC. They do work about twice a week.

Natural or Learnt LDer? [N/L]:
N
(Naturally since childhood, I have a few a year. When practicing I can have up to a few times a week).

Frequency of LDs
[1-5 /night = 1, 1-5 /week = 2, 1-5 /month = 3, 1-5/year = 4, never = 5]:
2

Perceived Duration of LDs
[10+ minutes = 1, 1-10 minutes = 2, 1-60 seconds = 3]:
1
(sometimes usually at least ten or fifteen minuets, sometimes 30 or 45mins.)

Control of/in LDs
[1 = god-like total; 2 = control over DCs, and dream world with advanced abilities such as telekinesis, teleport, manifesting etc; 3 = full awarness of dream, full conscious control of &#39;normal&#39; self; 4 = aware of dreaming, some control of self]:

Usually at least 2, occasionally a 1.

VAK type is ?:
KAV (28, 25, 19)

Do you DILD? If so, how?
Yes (though i prefer DEILD) I normally have an epiphany type feeling and then confirm this with RCs

Do you do waking RCs? If so, which? And do they work - i.e. do you find yourself doing them in a DILD?
Yes, hand checks, nose plugs, and clocks

Natural or Learnt LDer? [N/L]:
A bit of both, though more learnt than natural

Frequency of LDs
[1-5 /night = 1, 1-5 /week = 2, 1-5 /month = 3, 1-5/year = 4, never = 5]:
2, about 2 or 3 a week, sometimes more, sometimes less

Perceived Duration of LDs
[10+ minutes = 1, 1-10 minutes = 2, 1-60 seconds = 3]:
2, though I've been having longer ones recently

Control of/in LDs
[1 = god-like total; 2 = control over DCs, and dream world with advanced abilities such as telekinesis, teleport, manifesting etc; 3 = full awarness of dream, full conscious control of &#39;normal&#39; self; 4 = aware of dreaming, some control of self]:
1, though I don't go into "god mode" very often

I got

Visual: 28
Auditive: 23
kinesthetic: 22

The link still doesn't work for me :O

For some reason, I still cannot access the link :S

EDIT: Took the other test linked by YellowLight.

Visual: 30
Auditive: 25
Kinesthetic: 18

"You are a visual learner and will probably benefit most from learning materials and techniques where pictures, graphs, videos and slides are used."

*BUMP*
I'm still interested in this - and I still think its worth a think...

Simply put, its about choosing RCs that suit your own way of thinking.
Figuring out which learning mode dominates may be ONE way to do this.

However, and as some of the comments point out, it may be that practicing RCs during the day doesn't leak through into your dream life, at least not directly. That is, no matter how often you practice them, you won't necessarily find them spontaneously occuring more in your dreams.

It takes a huge effort to remember to regularly perform RCs when waking - it requires considerable waking lucidity! My suspicion is that being more present-centred and mindful during waking is the improtant bit (rather than the reality check per se) BECAUSE this heightened awerness bleeds through into dreams.

Using alarm clocks or post-its, or whatever, to remind you to perform RCs during the day, is a very different thing IMO. In this case you are training yourelf to respond to the reminder rather than be more aware. However maybe your dreams will become full of post-its and alarm clocks - in which case... result! :-)

If you suspect you are dreaming but aren't sure - this is when RCs become very very useful.
But the suspicion is nearly always there first.
Train the suspicious mind ;-D

EDIT: if theres an admin reading this - can I please edit the first post as the links are dead?

ANYONE WANTING TO TAKE A VAK TEST:
Theres loads out there. This one seems good:
http://www.brainboxx.co.uk/a3_aspect.../vak_quest.htm

I have some training in pedagogy (the study of teaching and learning) and I feel I must warn you that there is an overwhelming consensus among pedagogical scientists that there is no evidence supporting the learning styles hypothesis. Check out this article from Yale Center for Teaching and Learning for more info and references.

Interesting article. I liked the list of other modes/ styles. I'm ADHD and definitely a divergent thinker for a start!
However as a teacher, a parent and an oldie - I disagree! If there are no learning modes, then we are all the same and I'm really opposed to a one-size-fits-all pedagogy - it sounds like a way of excusing cheap, lazy and undifferentiated education.

Originally Posted by slimslowslider

Interesting article. I liked the list of other modes/ styles. I'm ADHD and definitely a divergent thinker for a start!
However as a teacher, a parent and an oldie - I disagree! If there are no learning modes, then we are all the same and I'm really opposed to a one-size-fits-all pedagogy - it sounds like a way of excusing cheap, lazy and undifferentiated education.

I suppose it is your right to disagree, though I find it silly to ascribe to an old theory that the majority of expert scientists have disowned. An absence of the VAK learning styles does not imply one-sized-fits-all pedagogy must be used-- that's a pretty hefty false dichotomy you've got there. Scientists who do not agree with learning styles do not purport that all people learn the same, they just disagree that it is entirely innate. Instead, modern pedagogists generally agree that these 'styles' are flexible and only one aspect of a person's learning system; that the way people learn is also influenced drastically by their history, how they have been taught to learn, their ability to think both cognitively and metacognitively, their current worldviews, and even the way they are praised by others. This is called constructivism, and I highly suggest checking it out if you are a teacher. If anything, those who ascribe to the learning styles system are even more restrictive than constructionists by ignoring all these other aspects, and instead boxing people into one of the predominant (VAK) types of learners.

Anyway, my intention was not to attack you (and certainly not to be called a cheap and lazy instructor-- ouch), just to let you know that current models of learning are heading in a different direction, and that while your question is certainly interesting, your survey on preferred learning methods might benefit from more in depth choices. Sorry for any offense.

Originally Posted by Courga

I suppose it is your right to disagree, though I find it silly to ascribe to an old theory that the majority of expert scientists have disowned. An absence of the VAK learning styles does not imply one-sized-fits-all pedagogy must be used-- that's a pretty hefty false dichotomy you've got there. Scientists who do not agree with learning styles do not purport that all people learn the same, they just disagree that it is entirely innate. Instead, modern pedagogists generally agree that these 'styles' are flexible and only one aspect of a person's learning system; that the way people learn is also influenced drastically by their history, how they have been taught to learn, their ability to think both cognitively and metacognitively, their current worldviews, and even the way they are praised by others. This is called constructivism, and I highly suggest checking it out if you are a teacher. If anything, those who ascribe to the learning styles system are even more restrictive than constructionists by ignoring all these other aspects, and instead boxing people into one of the predominant (VAK) types of learners.

Anyway, my intention was not to attack you (and certainly not to be called a cheap and lazy instructor-- ouch), just to let you know that current models of learning are heading in a different direction, and that while your question is certainly interesting, your survey on preferred learning methods might benefit from more in depth choices. Sorry for any offense.

Hi Courga - I didn't call you cheap or lazy - I said the idea of one-size-fits-all education for the homogeneous mind seems so... Sorry if you took offence anyways.

I didn't read the background papers, so not sure about "...the majority of experts..." etc, however the article said that although learning mode preferences undoubtedly exist there's limited evidence (non anecdotal?/ experiential?/ maybe its not even been properly tested???) to suggest improved learning outcomes.

Maybe I'll have to dive in after all, because this seems counterintuitive - motivation plays a huge part in learning, no?

There seems to be plenty of evidence in support of learning modes and improved outcomes - Phil Beadle's 'Unteachables' springs to mind.

I wouldn't ever suggest that VAK modes were innate and of course I fully understand that there's 100s of traits and factors that influence learning.

However, fascinating as it is in pedagogical terms, this all misses the point.


I proposed the above poll and questionnaire because:

a) I'm curious to see if there are patterns. The VAK test is quick and easy. More depth would be great - but likely to get a tl;dr

b) I'm raising the possibility that reality checks, induction methods and the like might be more effective if in line with your learning mode - i.e. your preferred sensory input type.

Preferences with regard to how information is presented seem likely to be important. With so many people struggling to LD - its worth a try!


What kinds of things are you thinking about when you suggest "...more in-depth-choices."? I set up a Myers Briggs poll... Could do a bunch of others. Would be fascinating to persuade folks to complete an MMPI or something and look for patterns - but that one takes several hours to complete ;-D