Thread: Espsika Going Polyphasic

Stop Dymaxion!
"It’s predicted that only the genetically mutated DEC2 gene ’very short sleepers’ can be successful following such a schedule, because people with this gene are able to sleep only 4 hours monophasically, which is a considerable feat on it’s own. These people do not suffer from sleep deprivation because their sleep compression and sleep quality are naturally so good! The whole idea of a reduced sleep schedule is to improve sleep compression and sleep quality, so that one may get all the normal deep sleep and REM sleep on less total sleep, just like a DEC2 mutant. Unforunately it is estimated less than 1% of the world population has this gene."

From Polyphasic Society | Sleep Well, Learn Well, Live Well

Use SPAMAYL, I'll use it too in the future, and it's really the greatest schedule in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Haeretic

Stop Dymaxion!
"It’s predicted that only the genetically mutated DEC2 gene ’very short sleepers’ can be successful following such a schedule, because people with this gene are able to sleep only 4 hours monophasically, which is a considerable feat on it’s own. These people do not suffer from sleep deprivation because their sleep compression and sleep quality are naturally so good! The whole idea of a reduced sleep schedule is to improve sleep compression and sleep quality, so that one may get all the normal deep sleep and REM sleep on less total sleep, just like a DEC2 mutant. Unforunately it is estimated less than 1% of the world population has this gene."

From Polyphasic Society | Sleep Well, Learn Well, Live Well

Use SPAMAYL, I'll use it too in the future, and it's really the greatest schedule in my opinion.

Thank you for that info.
I'm back again, i have not been away completely 'cause i have been falling and rising polyphasicaly while waiting for a
perfect condition. But it's obvious to me now that there will be no perfect condition. I just have to soldier on till i get to the ah
ha moment.
I'm starting with EveryMan Dual Core and sleeping schedule goes thus:
Core sleep1= 21:30 to 00:00 (2.5hrs).
Core sleep2= 03:30 to 05:00 (1.5hrs).
Nap1= 09:00 to 09:20
Nap2=14:40 to 15:00.

I think it's all nonsenses....if I don't have my 7 to 8 hours of sleep my body starts to shutdown.....if I have less than 7 let's say like around 6 hours every day or less.... I start to get over-reactive I start to get depressive....I feel exhaustion and pain in all of my body....and if I sleep less than 7 hours it's most likely that I won't have any dream.....and if I sleep less than 7 hours also my psychological functions are like 5 times smaller....and I even can't pay attention if I am just talking with somebody....my concentration is on like 30-40% of usual.....I get over-reactive for anything and start to yell....and I feel exhaustion and pain in my whole body....so I think this is just a nonsense sleeping so extremely little.....And also due to many duties it is almost impossible to organize sleep in such a way so I can nap for a few times over the day....

Originally Posted by Karloky

I think it's all nonsenses....if I don't have my 7 to 8 hours of sleep my body starts to shutdown.....if I have less than 7 let's say like around 6 hours every day or less.... I start to get over-reactive I start to get depressive....I feel exhaustion and pain in all of my body....and if I sleep less than 7 hours it's most likely that I won't have any dream.....and if I sleep less than 7 hours also my psychological functions are like 5 times smaller....and I even can't pay attention if I am just talking with somebody....my concentration is on like 30-40% of usual.....I get over-reactive for anything and start to yell....and I feel exhaustion and pain in my whole body....so I think this is just a nonsense sleeping so extremely little.....And also due to many duties it is almost impossible to organize sleep in such a way so I can nap for a few times over the day....

If you followed this thread from the beginning you would have come across my experiences which is termed GAS (General Adaptation Syndrome). A
term where the body is forced to adapt to a particular schedule, which is almost unbearable.

Anyway I think this doesn't have any sense because if I sleep for lass than 7 to 8 hours I don't remember any dreams or nothing....exhausting your body lake that doesn't have sense it's just that people got bored and now we test I don't know what.......the proper sleep time is when you lay to sleep and sleep till you wake up.....I think and if it's for idk 6 or for 9 hours to someone okay but thats the time....you sleep for how long your bodyy needs to rest....

Before the outset of my polyphasic endeavours, i use to sleep for 7 to 10 hrs which when i sleep less i find myself feeling down, exhausted and sad. But now is a different issue. For instance: I woke up at 07:00 yesterday (saturday) and slept at 03:00 today (sunday) waking up at 04:40 without alarm, went back to sleep and finally woke up at 05:51. So, i slept for 2.85hrs still feeling ok.
Practice they say makes perfect. When you change your sleeping schedule your body will adapt to it or something near it. But the process of adaptation is so discomforting.

interesting and if I don't have whole day for experimenting ? if I have some duties?..... well that's nonsense.....just keep it up woth the holocaust over your body... good luck

I admire your willingness to experiment. I'll be reading closely. A similar schedule worked lucid and instant REM wonders for me years ago but in hindsight, I'm not sure I stuck with it long enough to actually adapt 100%.

Some of my experiences are:
sometimes i go to sleep starting with REM. I will wake up 20 to 25 minutes later noticing that i had a vivid dream.
Sometimes i will wake up 1.5 to 1.6hrs later without dreaming or any memory of it. And sometimes i will wake up 2.5 to 3hrs later without dreaming or any memory of it.
Sometimes it will appear as if i just closed my eyes and opened it, speedy sleep.

Adapting to a particular schedule is no child's play. It causes a shift in consciousness which is very difficult. I have failed AGAIN.

Situations and events keeps pushing me around. I noticed my inconsistency and fear when it comes to sticking to my sleeping schedule or that of Uberman. So, i'm deciding to shift to EveryMan4 while supplementing it with SPAMAYL. And the schedule goes thus:
Core sleep - 03:00 to 05:30 (2.5hrs).
Nap0 @13:00(for 20minutes).
Nap1 @17:00(for 20minutes).
Nap2 @21:00(for 20minutes). And
Nap3 @01:00(for 20minutes).

If i skip any nap, i will double it. This is where spamayl comes in. If i skip all the 4naps i will nap 8 times (20minutes each) spacing the naps with 20minutes, which requires 6hrs to be completed. If i'm busy all day, i believe i can squeeze out 6hrs before core sleep.
"Taking action is what makes a dwarf a giant"

Originally Posted by espsika

Situations and events keeps pushing me around. I noticed my inconsistency and fear when it comes to sticking to my sleeping schedule or that of Uberman. So, i'm deciding to shift to EveryMan4 while supplementing it with SPAMAYL. And the schedule goes thus:
Core sleep - 03:00 to 05:30 (2.5hrs).
Nap0 @13:00(for 20minutes).
Nap1 @17:00(for 20minutes).
Nap2 @21:00(for 20minutes). And
Nap3 @01:00(for 20minutes).

If i skip any nap, i will double it. This is where spamayl comes in. If i skip all the 4naps i will nap 8 times (20minutes each) spacing the naps with 20minutes, which requires 6hrs to be completed. If i'm busy all day, i believe i can squeeze out 6hrs before core sleep.
"Taking action is what makes a dwarf a giant"

man you just shortened your sleep time again it was longer before on your earlier post....and you are making it more and more shorter what is wrong with you? :/

My target has always been Uberman, not EveryMan. Nothing is wrong with me.

Originally Posted by espsika

My target has always been Uberman, not EveryMan. Nothing is wrong with me.

That's good

Hello friends, i have formed the habit of starting all over again whenever i make mistake of over sleeping.
I always make mistake at day-two (2nd day). I feel dull, exhausted, not motivated, and little or no reasoning. The thoughts that are always in my mind are thoughts like; go and lie down, sit down, lean against the wall. I reject these thoughts most times but i always yielded to the urge of closing my eyes, and before i know whats happening i had slept for 40min, an hour, or 3hrs. 3hrs is the most common.
Yesterday, the 13th of Oct. Being yet-to-be successful 2nd day. I felt serious sickness (feverish condition) but refused yielding to it until 22:08hrs (not sure of the minutes, but i'm sure of the hour) and i subconsciously slept off lying down, only to wake up at 00:57(14th Oct.) feeling alright, but i was very sad to have slept off and i slept on, and finally woke up at 03:59 (14th Oct.)and decided to stay awake for 24hrs for naptation/exerptation.
As i said before, situations and events contribute to my failure and i cannot wait for a perfect condition, i have to create it myself.

I started practicing naptation without staying awake for 24/36hrs.
I found out that the third nap always leaves me unconscious and this has happened the three times i have practiced this. I regain consciousness after some hours or minutes has passed. For instance, i regained consciousness after 2hrs of sleep, the first day, without having the memory of how i laid my body on the floor.
Second day was after 1Hour 20minutes. And the third day being today was after 44minutes which left me extremely tired and unmotivated. All i could do was to wake up from the floor and Sit. I sat down for a minute and went back to sleep on the floor.
The only thing i noticed here is that the length of the unconscious sleep is reducing, but leaves me exhausted and unmotivated that i'm tempted to give up.
I have noticed so many things that is making my adaptation difficult:
1) Unsteady situation.
2) No electricity to control melatonin secretion.
3) No electrical appliances to keep me entertained and busy.
4) My alarm system is very poor (nokia C5-00). And
5) no human-alarm-system to help me, i'm alone on this.

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So ... I wonder, what's this (???) Espsiker

I read whole thread and Yyks. ..Yikes... (!!!)

Melanieb in post #11 links to another practitioner (nautilus) and here he answers why he is doing it:

Originally Posted by*Arutad

*What is the purpose of this schedule, more chances to LD?

If I understand correctly, you're going to sleep only 4 hours per day eventually, that sounds dangerous for your health.

Nautilus answers on 6-6-2009 (at 3:36 PM):

Thanks for posting*Unfortunately I have a tendency to give long answers to simple questions. Here it goes anyways.

It'll be two hours a day, actually, if you add up the naps for a 24 hour period. With monophasic sleep (one chunk of sleep every 24 hours), how awake you are during the day depends mostly on the quantity of sleep you get each night plus maybe where you are in the*sleep cycle*when you wake up.

For sleep schedules like Uberman and Dymaxion: The adjustment period is really hard because for each nap, the body starts going through the other phases of sleep but never gets to REM because the naps aren't long enough for that. Eventually, the body adapts and starts skipping the other phases of sleep and going into REM right away. So basically, once adjusted, the body gets a chunk of REM, goes for several hours, gets another chunk of REM, etc. Whereas with monophasic sleep, it goes through more phases of sleep before getting to REM, then repeats the pattern until you wake up.

Most people that have successfully adjusted to polyphasic sleep (more than one chunk of sleep in 24 hours) say they actually have more energy than before. It makes sense if you think about it. I sometimes think of sleep as a leaky battery; you can't sleep for two or three days straight and then expect to stay awake all that much longer than usual. So going the other way, getting sleep more frequently, is more efficient. Not only are you getting a concentration of REM without the other phases of sleep, but you're also spending less time awake before you "recharge".

As far as health concerns go: The adjustment period is definitely an issue. It's essentially sleep deprivation until the body adapts. That's why it's good to get through the adjustment period as quickly as possible. Some people who try adjusting will continuously miss naps or oversleep but they keep going. They often wind up not adapting, staying in sleep deprivation for a long time, and eventually giving up. (That's why I'm paying close attention to my recent oversleeping incident.)

Once the adaption period is over, however, it's a whole new ballgame. There isn't much known about the long term effects of polyphasic sleep vs. monophasic. Only a few people attempt (or even know about) sleep schedules like Uberman and Dymaxion, and even fewer get through the adjustment period. I've seen a few examples of people who have been succesfully adjusted for several months or even a couple years, and they tend to end up stopping because of scheduling issues, not observable health issues. If there are long term health effects, it's hard to know because there isn't much scientific research that's been done on the subject.

My reasons for attempting Dymaxion:-It's strange, it's different, it's interesting and I'm curious. As I mentioned, not much official research has been done and I'd love to get some firsthand experience and contribute to people's knowledge about the topic.-22 hours of waking time and more energy. How's that for a good deal? I can get a bit more work done than usual and also have more free time.-Yes, it increases the chance of lucid dreams because you're going directly into REM sleep which is when dreaming happens. Plus with monophasic, only the dreams from the last REM cycle gets remembered (unless you wake up between each cycle).

Last edited by nautilus; 06-06-2009 at*06:36 PM.*Reason:*added 18:00 nap

I got a couple of interesting things to share but it mat take while for me to find them, Espsiker.

Hey Espsiker

I want to share two things, here is the first.

HOW TO SLEEP SITTING UP

Guest Essay ByDrew Jacob, the Rogue Priest.

(...)

Zangmo is a Buddhist nun. She just finished a lengthy retreat in a Tibetan monastery in New York.*

(...)

She told me before entering retreat that Tibetan monks sleep sitting up.*

(...)

To me, it also sounded like torture.

(...)

Zangmo told a different story. She told me that she feels healthier sleeping upright. She never gets a:

sore back or
stiff neck, she
sleeps soundly and
wakes up feeling rested and alert every morning

(this depsite getting just 5 hours of sleep a night with the busy monastery schedule).*

I could see the effect it had on her: she was able to sleep anywhere and she was full of energy.

I thought this could be useful. I’m an adventurer, setting out on a spiritual pilgrimage across two continents. Anything that makes me more portable is good. Some of the benefits of upright sleeping include:

1 - It’s good for your back

2 - No more taking special pillows everywhere you go

3 - You don’t need a sleeping bag—one blanket will keep you warm

4 - It’s impossible to snore

5 - You’re more aware of your surroundings and can wake up easily

I immediately saw the applications for my upcoming journey. I can carry less gear, and if I wake up to the sound of approaching footsteps I can be on my feet in a second. In the Colombian jungle that’s not a bad deal.

(...)

I asked Zangmo to teach me how to do it right, then tried it out for myself.

What Zangmo taught me was a series of tips to make the transition easy. It took her about three months to make the adjustment, but learning from her mistakes I was able to make it in four weeks. By the first week I could sleep an hour or two at a time comfortably, and within two weeks I had slept five straight hours upright (moving to a bed for the rest of the night).

(...)

He gives the step-by-step instructions on how he learned how to do it.

(...)

When I sleep upright I have a very light, but amazingly refreshing sleep.

I remember my dreams better,

I wake up more easily if something is going on around me, and yet I don’t feel groggy or disrupted.

I can jump right up without that usual feeling of disorientation that comes after sleep,

which has led to not hitting the coffee so hard.

Even though it’s a lighter sleep somehow it’s very satisfying.

(...)

Here is the link

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How to Sleep Sitting Up | The Minimalists

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Espsiker

This is the second thing I want to share

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iilm...e_gdata_player

***(7:22) 7077 views now ( WOW ) all 7s

Thank you Havago. I can't watch the video because I can't get access to computer. am updating this thread from my mobile phone.
I will give Sleep Sitting Upright a try

Sit-sleeping is not working for me. the environment and how it feels, works against me.
So, until I found a perfect condition I will keep trying.
Now, I sleep at 23:00 to wake up at 03:00. Go back to bed at 04:00 to wake up at 04:30, stay for 10 minutes and then go back to bed to wake up finally at 05:00.

"He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day"
I am giving up for now.
Thank you for being part of this thread

Wow man, you give up a lot But it's cool that you always try again. Sadly I think if I tried this I would probably do the same, the only thing that can keep me up is the computer. Too bad you don't have one. I think what really does it though is the bright light from the screen. Maybe install a lot of daylight lightbulbs in your room and turn them all on when you want not to fall asleep?

I now have a system and seasonal movies to keep me awake all night. But I still have the problem of electricity and alarm.