Thread: Valium and Insomnia

ahh, no dont do this. never take medication until you´re really close to suicide. It´s a shame how doctors prescribe any medication to make it easier.

Valium is calming, but it makes addictive and you shouldnt take it for a longer time anyway.

check out this link, it gives some information:

http://www.homedrugtestingkit.com/valium.html

I´m not sure if Valium could even make you sleep easier. just because its soothing doesnt mean you suddenly can sleep as if you never had problems.

Originally Posted by Dissociation

ahh, no dont do this. never take medication until you´re really close to suicide. It´s a shame how doctors prescribe any medication to make it easier.

This is not true. There's nothing wrong with taking some medication every now and again. Taking sleep medication for a short amount of time may help you regain a normal sleep pattern.

Originally Posted by Dissociation

Valium is calming, but it makes addictive and you shouldnt take it for a longer time anyway.

I´m not sure if Valium could even make you sleep easier. just because its soothing doesnt mean you suddenly can sleep as if you never had problems.

Valium can help with sleep, but it isn't necessarily the best option. The best thing to do if you have prolonged problems with sleeping is to go to your doctor and tell him/her what the problem is, what you've tried and why it didn't work. Don't be shy, state your worries of addiction and side effects and the reasons for it, it's their job to help and in most or all countries they have client confidentiality: By law they can't tell someone else of your problems or worries in a way that can be linked to you. Also, keep in mind that everything that has effect has side effects (with a possible exception for placebo).
But whatever you do, don't order medication from the internet. Get it at a proper pharmacy.

Originally Posted by khh

This is not true. There's nothing wrong with taking some medication every now and again. Taking sleep medication for a short amount of time may help you regain a normal sleep pattern.

yea I know, I´ve made too many bad experiences with such things to be objective about it. I know medication can help sometimes, but I just hate it in every way and if you´re honest, 99,9% of doctors dont care if you´re gonna feel better or not. Valium is a bad thing and it just sucks that you get it prescribed without even having a "normal" therapy first...

however, sleeping problems are bad, I know that by myself. But there are better ways to deal with it than to take any kind of medicine.

Originally Posted by Dissociation

yea I know, I´ve made too many bad experiences with such things to be objective about it. I know medication can help sometimes, but I just hate it in every way and if you´re honest, 99,9% of doctors dont care if you´re gonna feel better or not. Valium is a bad thing and it just sucks that you get it prescribed without even having a "normal" therapy first...

I agree that doctors care too little for their patients in that regard. Perhaps not even listening to what they say.
But there's a big difference between a student that needs some pills to put him to sleep during exams cause of stress, and persisting insomnia or other underlying problems. Though I guess that this perhaps is of the latter kind.

I think, the best way is to find the main reason of your insomnia.

Originally Posted by Dissociation

ahh, no dont do this. never take medication until you´re really close to suicide. It´s a shame how doctors prescribe any medication to make it easier.

How about - don't take it in any case?

They are designed to make people even sicker eventually so pharma industry can get them on more drugs for their own profit, for example. They benefit from sick people and they work to make people sick.


There are plenty of herbs out there able to induce plenty of relaxation effects. In the worst case Cannabis would probably be strong enough to overcome insomnia I guess.

There's so many conspiracy theorists on this forum now.

I can guarantee none of them have had experience with this drug.

I can tell you from experience that it is not going to make you more sick. As well as from having read numerous studies on it.
Valium is good, as khh said, could help to restore your normal sleep pattern. You might only have to take it for a couple of days to get back on track. Then you can stop taking it. If your doctor is good s/he will tell you this.
Make sure you get Valium though and not Xanax, Xanax is a lot more addictive. Valium, not so much, although after long periods (like months) you will begin to rely on it, so don't take it for more than a week.

There are herbal alternatives which are proven effective, such as Cannabis or Kava. Kava would be my first recommendation since it is legal and if you get Cannabis you might get the wrong type which will just keep you awake. But if it comes to that I can give you more advice later.

But go to your local herb shop or go online and get some Kava (WATER EXTRACT!!) It has to be water extracted. If it's alcohol extracted it can damage your liver after long periods of use. Otherwise buy a Kava plant and grind up the roots yourself. Kava acts on the same receptors as benzodiazepines (Valium, Xanax) but it is NOT addictive.

Also I'm wondering if your insomnia is due to stress or anxiety? Valium also helps with this and can set your mind straight so you can figure out what is bothering you. I did this with Xanax, I was really stressed and just couldn't think properly, so due to the Xanax calming me down I could look at everything clearly and figure it all out.

Anyway, write back as to how you're going.

There's so many conspiracy theorists on this forum now.

Dear tommo,

You must be thinking ignorance is bliss don't you.

Conspiracy theorists? ahahahha - watched FOX news once too often mate? =P They use that word a lot...I guess they also define for you what you consider "conspiracy" labeled and whatnot.


peace

Originally Posted by suckerlove55

I have read that the prescription drug Valium (diazepam) can help you get to sleep if you suffer from insomnia.

Is this a good method?


I have tried many sleeping pills and herbal remedies and found none to be very affective. I'm also worried about the addiction possibilities and side effects.


Can anyone share some info on these pills used to treat anxiety & insomnia??

I've been prescribed soooo many benzodiazepines and opiates (like valium, truxal, midazolam, ambien..etc) to help me fall asleep in times of Insomnia. None of them work and they all make me feel poisoned and nausaeous. Also they're very addictive, so I prefer to just smoke a big fat Cannabis or Hash joint to help me get to sleep rather than take those addictive, harmfull sleepaids.
My personal experiences tells me that most of the legal drugs that psychiatrists prescribe people with psycho/somatic problems are terribly destructive, ineffective and Addictive-Dependance forming. And also that most illegal Psychedelic drugs turn out to be near perfect, non/addictive and low to no/risk cures-healing agents for general Psycho/somatic problems. Cannabis is one of them.

If the Demon of Insomnia is making my life miserable I know I can call on Saint Cannabis to turn the tide. Cannabis really is a protective, guardian saint to me. It snapped me out of a rather servere psychosis once and it keeps me psychologically stable in the most upsetting/stressfull experiences of life. And it can also help me to sleep without any risk of overdosis, liverdamage or addiction.

Therefor I often call it Cannabliss.

Also to lower physical as well as psychological stress/tention I have found Yogic stretch exercises VERY helpfull in Calming the Body and the Mind to a HUUGE degree.
This tention/stress is what causes the restlessness known as Insomnia. By doing a couple of Yogic exercises you can Release this tention and afterwards you feel MUCH lighter and calmer both Physically and Psychologically/Spiritually. If your restlessness is servere then I suggest combining Hash/Cannabis with Yoga.
Here is a series of YouTube movies teaching simple and effective Yogic exercises:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS-9fXmUt-c
Once it's finished it will automatically skip to the next movie with the next exercise. There are many. Give it a try before bedtime, perhaps combined with Cannabis, and let me know if it made falling asleep any easier, okay?

Hm, don't know if this girl is coming back, but anyway....

Originally Posted by Rocky90

Dear tommo,

You must be thinking ignorance is bliss don't you.

Conspiracy theorists? ahahahha - watched FOX news once too often mate? =P They use that word a lot...I guess they also define for you what you consider "conspiracy" labeled and whatnot.


peace

I'm not in America, the only things I've watched of Fox News is on google to laugh my ass off at how stupid they are.
You've got me totally wrong. If you read my post I suggest a few herbal remedies, but I don't attack the synthetic remedies that people have been bashing. This whole nature vs man is just stupid and people that are all "omg man nature is good synthetic is bad" all end up coming up with conspiracies like "They are designed to make people even sicker eventually so pharma industry can get them on more drugs for their own profit, for example. They benefit from sick people and they work to make people sick."

Let me tell you something. WE ARE NATURE. Ergo, anything we create is also part of nature. So the argument is based on false assumptions.

Yes a lot of pharma drugs are terrible. I'm thinking right now of anti-depressants, worst thing ever and I urge anybody to not take them or stop taking them. But that is because they have been proven to provide no benefit and only side effects. Unless someone is extremely depressed, then they provide a little benefit. I judge things by science, not by whether it's made by pharma or not. Or whether it's hated by society or not.

Let me tell you, Xanax was not created to make people sick. That's just stupid. I can tell you with all honesty, I would probably not be here right now if it wasn't for Xanax. I was very close to completely losing it and if I hadn't found it.... I can only imagine what would have happened.
That being said, I also don't think anyone should rely on it. I don't think anyone should rely on any drug the alters the mind, if it's for physical reasons, fine. But if you have to take anything that changes your mind for more than a month and/or more than 3-4 times a week. You're avoiding the problem. As I said, it's fine to use Xanax to calm you down so you can figure out whatever is bothering you. It's fine to use Cannabis or Kava to do the same. But if you're relying on any of them and not getting to the root problem, as soon as that drug runs out (no money, can't get any) you're fucked.

Originally Posted by SKA

Also to lower physical as well as psychological stress/tention I have found Yogic stretch exercises VERY helpfull in Calming the Body and the Mind to a HUUGE degree.
This tention/stress is what causes the restlessness known as Insomnia. By doing a couple of Yogic exercises you can Release this tention and afterwards you feel MUCH lighter and calmer both Physically and Psychologically/Spiritually. If your restlessness is servere then I suggest combining Hash/Cannabis with Yoga.
Here is a series of YouTube movies teaching simple and effective Yogic exercises:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS-9fXmUt-c
Once it's finished it will automatically skip to the next movie with the next exercise. There are many. Give it a try before bedtime, perhaps combined with Cannabis, and let me know if it made falling asleep any easier, okay?

Thanks for that link ska, for me as well as suckerlove55.

Stay away from benzodiazapenes. They are very addictive and you do not want to go down that road unless you have a lust for misery.

Melatonin and Valerian Root are both very effective sleep aids. Have you tried them before? I mean, I could take a few valium at night and not get sleep at all, and then pop 2 melatonin and be out like a light.

Also, ambien is great for treating really serious insomnia and is less addicting than any benzo. However, ambien is no joke. It is a really strong hypnotic. I've seen people sleep walking/sleep talking while on ambien...or doing things that they have no memory of the next day.

Well Melatonin have proved to be completely ineffective at helping me sleep in periods of Insomnia. I even got pharmacuitical Melatonin. Much stronger than the commercially sold Melatonin. Totally useless. Didn't help at all. Not even slightly.

I've been prescribed subsequently stronger sleep-aid medications bcause none of them would help me sleep. Eventually my Psychiatrist decided to bring out the big guns. She prescribed me Ambien, which helped me to sleep only sometimes, but usually kept me awake in a very uncontrollable, disturbed, overactive thought process.

So I was prescribed Midazolam. What the Atom bomb is amongst conventional bombs, that is about what Midazolam is amongst conventional sleep-aid medications. It would allmost allways help me to sleep. Well "sleep" wouldn't be what I'd call it.
It's most of the times very successfull at bringing you into a numbed, unconscious, dreamless and coma-like stupor. Uppon waking up you'll feel drunk, disorientated, groggy, QUITE sick to the stomach and likely very grumpy for the rest of that day. You'll probably feel physically exhausted and have alot of muscleaches and cramps.

This is why I really detest taking the drugs my Doctor prescribes me. I DEFENITELY prefer the medicine I buy myself and vaporise it before bedtime to fall asleep much easier. Works like a charm, does no harm.

Psychiatrists keep describing horribly destructive and addictive drugs to patients suffering from "general psychological unrest" and (the therefrom resulting)Insomnia.
I have such horrible experiences with ALL of these drugs, every single one of them. And I have heard MANY people who suffer from Psychological unrest and Insomnia say exactly the same about the destructive and non-effective nature of these drugs they prescribe us.

Why won't they see that this Mind numbing shit isn't helping people's problems, only worsen them?

And the Irony is that an Invasive Weed that every fool could grow and happens to be an ideal, very effective cure against General Psychological Unrest and the therefrom resulting Insomnia is Illegal and socially condemned.

And so Insomnia patients, not wanting to break the Law, turn away from Cannabis and instead turn to Psychiatrists to end their Unrest who prescribes them a variety of drugs that will destroy them. They handle these drugs like it's Candy. They seem far too keen on and lighthearted about prescribing people really hardcore, overkill, risky drugs for the slightest of problems. Anxiety? > Have some Oxazepam. Hyperactive or Neurotic? Have some Ritalin/Concerta(AKA a slighty altered Methamphetamine-Molecule) or have some Valium. Can't sleep? Here have some Valium or some Midazolam, Ambien or Truxal. They are making many millions of people addicted and mentally and physically sick around the world.

These Neurologists, Psychologists and Psychiatrists think and pretend that they know so very well what they're doing and how the human mind works, but it has become appearant to me that they Haven't got a Clue. And not the slightest idea of what the devil they're doing to people's minds. Nor do I have the impression that they even remotely give a damn.
Most of them seem to be "just doing their work" in a self-absorbed, inhumane, rigid and indifferent routine endlessly.

I've taken a rediculous variety of these psychiatric horror-drugs on psychiatrists' prescription and I'm sick and terrified of them all. I refuse to ever take any of their deliriant, emotionally destabilising, addictive, neurotoxic, liver-toxic, prescription poisons again in my Life.

No thanks. I'll stick to the smelly plant if I want to battle servere psychological unrest and Insomnia.

Ok I get where you guys are coming from. Aquanina, I don't get where you're coming form at all. You act like benzo's are the devil and then suggest Abmien!??

But anyway, I don't know which doctors you guys have been seeing, I also know it's particularly bad in America, where doctors just prescribe drugs before trying anything else. The only thing that happens with in Australia is anti-depressants, they hand them out by the truckload. But with most other drugs like benzos and whatnot, they will try other things first like exercise and breathing/visualisation techniques etc. Of course there are doctors everywhere who are just script happy, but imo they shouldn't be doctors. If all they need to hear is "I'm tired" before they start writing a script for benzos, they need their license taken away.

However I don't think it's necessarily their fault. I believe it comes down to the big pharma and their advertising and false clinical studies. Doctors think the drugs work, they think it's all that's needed, because that's what the false studies or reports have told them.
So I wouldn't blame the doctors. You don't HAVE to take their medicine if you don't want to. It's entirely your choice.

There are many pharmaceuticals that work like a charm. There are many that a terrible. There are many naturally occurring drugs that work like a charm, and many that are terrible.

That's all I'm gonna say on this or I'll just be repeating myself. Look at the evidence and decide for yourself. And before you do that, learn how to tel whether a scientific study is credible.

Drink reasonable servings of pomegranate for 14 days in a row. Let me know how that goes [=