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      ^^ If you have a nasty-tasting mouth, tblanco, it's okay to get up and give it a rinse with some mouthwash (or, better yet, do so before going to bed); just as it is okay to shift your head a bit so that you can stop feeling -- or at least think about feeling -- your neck. Yes, you want to hold still during a WILD, but that does not mean you must do so no matter how powerful the distractions of holding still become... once those distractions become the focus of your WILD dive, the dive is over.
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      i did DEILD today i just want to ask few questions 1. first is i didn't remember my dream but i somehow know that i wasn't spouse open my eyes or move i think it's the intent i gave last night and a little autosuggestion is it because of this ? 2. when i entered sleep paralysis in about 10 sec i felt my throat very dray can i swallow or should i ignore it ? i did swallow but i think i made a mistake but i somehow taut to myself how do i sleep like this wont my throat become sore 3. very heave breathing this time i wasn't scared enough to make my breathing heavy and my hearth rate high like im running a marathon why is this ? also wont my subconscious know that im not sleeping because of this abnormality ? 4. when my breathing is abnormal i cant visualise should i just wait for the (HI) ? any tips ?

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      Here are a few responses, kir4ee:

      Quote Originally Posted by kir4ee View Post
      1. first is i didn't remember my dream but i somehow know that i wasn't spouse open my eyes or move i think it's the intent i gave last night and a little autosuggestion is it because of this ?
      Probably; nice work!

      2. when i entered sleep paralysis in about 10 sec i felt my throat very dray can i swallow or should i ignore it ? i did swallow but i think i made a mistake but i somehow taut to myself how do i sleep like this wont my throat become sore
      Go ahead and swallow; not swallowing is one of the more bizarre new rules invented for WILD/DEILD, probably by folks who woefully misinterpreted the "hold still" rule. Trying not to swallow is completely unnecessary, and on top of that trying not to do something as natural (and simple) as swallowing is probably far more distracting than just getting in a couple of healthy swallows and being done with it.

      Also, because I just can't ignore these things: you really don't actually "enter sleep paralysis" at any point in a DEILD. If anything, you may still be feeling the REM Atonia that was in effect when you were just asleep and dreaming (but you are in no way paralyzed, as you would be in actual SP); but that feeling is something you are leaving behind, not entering. And yes, one of the reasons you hold still in DEILD is to maintain the generally relaxed state of REM Atonia to keep your body in sleep mode, so it's not a bad idea to feel a bit paralyzed/numb, but SP is really not a component of DEILD (or WILD).

      3[a]. very heave breathing this time i wasn't scared enough to make my breathing heavy and my hearth rate high like im running a marathon why is this ?
      This is because you are excited, I think. It could represent an instinctual response by your body to the odd conditions of a DEILD awakening, and it is preparing you to respond to some sort of danger. This is hard to avoid during your initial WILD/DEILD attempts, but with experience your body will adjust and you generally won't even notice your heart rate or breathing during DEILD (and you'll only notice it during WILD if you are, say, using your breath as an anchor).... I say "generally," though, because I still occasionally find my breathing very noticeable during my DEILD's:

      Here's a fun fact to consider: there is an excellent chance that what I said above isn't true, and that your heart rate and breathing aren't much different at all than it normally would be; it's just that those two things are very close to your senses when you are waking up (probably because there is little else to sense), so you are simply noticing their presence more than you would in waking life. I think that if you just relax, allow your heart and lungs to function as they will. and get on with your DEILD you probably won't find those functions much of a distraction. That relaxation has the added bonus of settling your heart rate and breathing too, BTW. I don't constantly repeat that it is good to ignore the noise for nothing!

      3[b]. ..also wont my subconscious know that im not sleeping because of this abnormality ?
      No, it won't.

      Your unconscious is a facet of you, and will follow your conscious desires, intentions, and actions quite dutifully. And, as your unconscious is a function of your overall self, you really can't "trick" it into thinking you are still asleep anyway.

      That said, the main reason that you hold still and keep your eyes closed during DEILD is because you are indeed sort of tricking your physical body into maintaining its sleeping functions even though your mind has woken up; you definitely don't want it to know you're awake (or else things like changes in heart rate and breathing might occur).

      4. when my breathing is abnormal i cant visualise should i just wait for the (HI) ?
      How about just waiting for your return to the dream instead? DEILD does not always include HI (I would argue that it very rarely to never includes HI, but that may be for another thread), so it is better to hold your focus on your dream, and not on something that might not occur.

      Also, if you are unable to visualize the dream from which you are waking, just remember it. Holding it in your memory, even without normally handy imagery, should be enough to return you to it, or at worst to another dream that is sort of like it.

      Next time!
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      Thanks a lot!! this cleared a bunch of things for me and you wrote a long text thanks a lot for your hard work! i will try again when i get the chance again, and i dont fear REM Atonia like i did

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      I attempted to DEILD by trying to literally see my room with my eyes closed upon waking up and it worked. It has worked for me several times in the past too. I'm hoping I can be consistently successful with this technique.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
      I attempted to DEILD by trying to literally see my room with my eyes closed upon waking up and it worked. It has worked for me several times in the past too. I'm hoping I can be consistently successful with this technique.
      Were you waking from a lucid or a non-lucid dream? How long were you awake before you tried this? Was it a clear waking or one with a lot of disorientation?
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      I was waking from a non-lucid dream. I was awake about 2 or 3 seconds before I tried this. It was a clear awakening; I noticed it right away. The delay in attempting the technique was to me deciding what to try.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
      I attempted to DEILD by trying to literally see my room with my eyes closed upon waking up and it worked. It has worked for me several times in the past too. I'm hoping I can be consistently successful with this technique.
      This sounds like a good idea; sort of a controlled false awakening!

      The question I think of is this: What do you do after you've established your lucidity? If this becomes a technique (for you and for others, if you share it), what you do once you find yourself lucid in a dream version of your room seems important... do you return to the dream you exited? Do you walk out your bedroom door into a new, perhaps carefully anticipated, dreamscape? Or something else?

      It might not seem important to you, given your skills, but if someone else were to pick up the technique, what to do after "waking" in their dream room seems an important question.
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      Once I've established lucidity, I usually try to leave my room any way I can: through the door, wall, window, bed, floor, ect. I'm not very good at stabilizing or teleporting at the moment.

      However, if this technique works consistently, I believe I can gain the ability to control where I wake up in the false awakening. In order to do this, rather than trying to see my room upon waking up, I would try to see the desired location where I imagine I was sleeping. For example, if I wanted to start an LD on the ocean (which I do), upon waking up I would try to see the boat I was sleeping in. If I woke up from a dream and wanted to reenter it, I would imagine I'm in bed in the dream I'm trying to see.

      EDIT:I tried it again last night and didn't have any success. Each attempt I tried for a few seconds after waking up. How long should my attempts at DEILD be? Is it possible to have awakenings where it is impossible to DEILD? If so, how often is this the case?
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      Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
      However, if this technique works consistently, I believe I can gain the ability to control where I wake up in the false awakening. In order to do this, rather than trying to see my room upon waking up, I would try to see the desired location where I imagine I was sleeping. For example, if I wanted to start an LD on the ocean (which I do), upon waking up I would try to see the boat I was sleeping in. If I woke up from a dream and wanted to reenter it, I would imagine I'm in bed in the dream I'm trying to see.
      That's a good idea, especially if it works for you. If it doesn't, you might consider going back to the dream you were just in, and then go where you wish to go; that way you can start out in an environment that's already been "spooled up" by your dreaming mind, making your initial reentry a bit more smooth.

      I tried it again last night and didn't have any success. Each attempt I tried for a few seconds after waking up. How long should my attempts at DEILD be?
      This will of course vary from person to person, but I think that if you have been trying to get back in for more than a minute or two, or if you feel yourself becoming fully awake and your last dream slipping away, then it might be time for a WBTB and WILD.

      After you get comfortable with DEILD, though, you might find yourself able to take a little extra time while also maintaining your "almost asleep and dreaming again" condition... I, for one, occasionally take a quick moment to do things like adjust my sleeping position, reset my white noise machine without losing my DEILD, and on rare occasions I've managed a make a quick bathroom as well.

      That said, keep in mind that the assumption should always be that you are on your way right back in, and a well-navigated DEILD really shouldn't last more than a few seconds. Indeed, for me a perfect DEILD is one where I never really wake up at all, but reenter the dream as soon as I feel like I'm waking up, making the transition to the next segment of dreaming almost seamless.

      Is it possible to have awakenings where it is impossible to DEILD? If so, how often is this the case?
      Sure, there will be times when your body is simply waking up, no matter what you have in mind. How often it happens probably depends on the individual, but personally I've found unavoidable wake-ups fairly rare, especially when DEILDing from LD's (probably because I can recognize a coming wake-up very soon during LD's, but I'm often already awake before realizing I've exited a NLD).

      As long as I'm here:
      ...I was waking from a non-lucid dream. I was awake about 2 or 3 seconds before I tried this. It was a clear awakening; I noticed it right away. The delay in attempting the technique was to me deciding what to try.
      I think it's a good idea to not think too much during a DEILD; just do it. So it would be very good if you already had your decisions in place before going to sleep. I know you had your DIELD anyway, but this seemed worth mentioning.
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      Hello there, Tom here! Here goes today's WILD/DEILD attempt:

      I woke up at 6:45, and decided to try WILD (have done this before with not much success)
      I just stood there, relaxing and remembering my previous dreams.
      At one moment I could see my dream, what I was imagining, very clearly, though not with my eyes, or through my eyelids. I could see with my imagination.
      To keep it going I had to make an active effort to imagine what was going to happen next.
      During certain sections of the events, where there was more movement involved, or where something more exciting was happening I could feel very strong vibrations all throught my body.
      However, these vibrations would slowly go away and I would be back to imagining.
      I was in this state for quite some time until I had to wake up...

      Any tips? What can I do to actually enter the dream?
      Thanks for the help!!
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      No luck with DEILDs again this morning. Immediately after I woke up from each non-lucid dream I felt too awake. I did feel much more sleepy after waking up from my first lucid dream. I forgot to attempt DEILD after my second.

      Using imagined visual imagery to initiate the dream hasn't been working well for me. I have other ideas though.

      I could also visualize various sounds or feelings until they occur. I think visualizing a sound would require the least amount of thought. I think a low pitched sound would be best so it stands out from the tinnitus.
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      Ok so today i woke up after 6 hours and attempted the SSILD technique but i screwed up because i was focusing too much on my senses and i couldn't go back too sleep and decided i would WILD and i got myself relaxed as possible at the beginning i tried visualizing but i couldn't don't know why so i did the mantra instead "i'm Dreaming"
      but after some time i could visualize again and it was very enhanced every sense was enhanced not like a dream but it was close to that why i visualize is to forget my body that it exist and focus on the body that i'm visualizing also during visualization my natural reflexes ware acting out but then i lost my perception of time and decided to give up after 50 minutes i taut i was lying there for 70 minutes which is a waste but maybe next time my questions are these can i induce WILD like this method today first mantra for relaxation than visualization ? also can i do it after a failed attempt of SSILD ? and will doing WILD count as sleep because i feel rested despite not sleeping say for example i sleep 5 hours and decided to WILD even an unsuccessful one will it count as sleep or something like that ?
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      SUCCESS !! well almost but still i failed at SSILD again and got insomnia and got frustrated and taut to my self lets count my self to sleep even if it takes me to a 1000 i will sleep i got to a 100 and lost count 5 times maybe more and after that i had 4 dreams but i didn't remember them after each micro awakening all that time i was thinking i cant get to sleep but then i suddenly taut to myself why not try to separate my self from my body and it WORKED !!! i got all this vibrations like squeezing my brain and all over the body but a lot in my brain and i heard this noise and suddenly i taut to myself any second now i should float and i did i floated from my body and went through the ceiling and i hit a black picture and woke up during that black picture i tried visualizing but it didn't work well i didn't try hard enough and when i woke up i remembered the 4 dreams i had in one and a half hour this is my first OBE or WILD transition
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      ^^ Excellent work, kir4ee; and a fine job staying with the plan and not giving up!

      That "black picture" you ran into may have been a bit of NREM: At the moment that you made your transition, your dreaming mind may not have had any dream imagery spooled up for you yet, so, once you left the "default" imagery of your room/ceiling, it presented you with nothing.

      Should this happen again, and it might, I suggest that, instead of trying to force entry into a dream (or OBE exploration), just relax and take a pause. During your wait for your dreaming mind to catch up with you, you might remember your goals for this dive, or just reaffirm your self-awareness by, say, calmly reminding yourself that this is your dream, your world, even if it is a little dark just now... I personally do little more than just enjoy the peacefulness of the moment.

      The dream will start up eventually, and staying relaxed and patient will both help you to still be in your lucid state when it finally does, and to avoid waking up before it does, because you avoided mental activity that was strong or anxious enough to trigger an awakening.

      This same exercise works whether you are experiencing a LD or OBE, BTW, and does a fine job helping you to avoid losing lucidity and slipping into a NLD.
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      I had 2 DEILDs last night. After I woke up from non-lucid dreams, I saw the usual light and dark flashes behind my eyelids and tried to imagine them being something else, just as if I was trying to find objects in the clouds. The first DEILD I imagined the blue flashes being waves of water and a dream scene of the ocean formed. The second DEILD I imagined a big light flash as being the sky and a dream scene of the ocean formed again, only this time I was next to a beach. I figure trying to find objects in the flashes is a way for me to keep my attention on dreaming while also keeping myself asleep. Only time will tell, but I hope this is a breakthrough in DEILD for me.
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      I have had a DEILD each of the past 3 nights using a different technique from the post above. I have just been trying to make the tinnitus as loud as possible upon waking up. It seems like if I get the tinnitus loud enough, a dream will form in front of my closed eyelids.

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      I am trying WILD for 5-6 days. I've reached to the part where everything gets brighter but my eyes starts blinking. How can my eyes blink when they're closed? Was I close to sleep paralysis? My eyelids little open by themselves and I can see my hands relaxing on my belly If I look down with eyes closed. Today I created a situation where I needed to be aware while sleep, I was blinking eyes even with my eyes closed and then I thought maybe it can be a dream so I performed a reality check and failed again.

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      ^^ Welcome, Namit!

      I highly recommend that you take the DVA WILD class to which this thread is attached; I think you will find it will help. As long as I'm here, here are some thoughts:

      * There really is no part in WILD "where everything gets brighter." Yes, when you do finally reach your dream the scene will likely (but not necessarily) be brighter than the darkness you were navigating on the way to sleep, but no, there is no requirement for things to get brighter.... it might help if you try not to look for one.

      * Sleep paralysis, in spite of what you may have heard, is also not a necessary part of WILD (especially because actual SP happens when you are waking up, and not when you are falling asleep). If you want to learn more about SP, and the misinformation that ceaselessly swirls about it, I suggest you check out these two threads:

      Sleep Paralysis Explained

      Sleep Paralysis Demystified

      * When attempting WILD, it is very important to try to ignore the noise that can accompany you on your dive. The only thing that should be important to you is getting to sleep and to your dream. All the rest of the stuff, including imagined (or even actual) eyelid fluttering, are merely distractions that you must learn to look past. Now, speaking of those eyelids:

      * Regarding your eyelids, you seem to have said two different things, so I'll cover them both:

      First, if you can peek through a crack in your eyelids and see your waking-life body, then you are still awake. I would suggest that you avoid doing this, perhaps by aiming your eyes a little upward (behind closed lids, of course).

      If it feels like your eyelids are opening and closing, even though you know they are closed, simply try to ignore the activity. It might just be a bit of Hypnagogic Imagery (HI), and really is nothing more than a distraction. Try to move past it without giving it too much attention.

      * From your description, it sounds to me like you were pretty much always very close to being awake throughout your attempts. I suggest that you give your attempt more time; you really must be asleep in order to dream, and complete your WILD transition -- give it a chance to come.

      * Finally, 5-6 days of trying to WILD is not a long time. Try not to be disappointed or impatient.

      I hope that helped. Again, I strongly suggest that you take, or at least read through, the WILD Class; you might find it very helpful.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      ^^ Welcome, Namit!

      I highly recommend that you take the to which this thread is attached; I think you will find it will help. As long as I'm here, here are some thoughts:

      * There really is no part in WILD "where everything gets brighter." Yes, when you do finally reach your dream the scene will likely (but not necessarily) be brighter than the darkness you were navigating on the way to sleep, but no, there is no requirement for things to get brighter.... it might help if you try not to look for one.

      * Sleep paralysis, in spite of what you may have heard, is also not a necessary part of WILD (especially because actual SP happens when you are waking up, and not when you are falling asleep). If you want to learn more about SP, and the misinformation that ceaselessly swirls about it, I suggest you check out these two threads:



      * When attempting WILD, it is very important to try to ignore the that can accompany you on your dive. The only thing that should be important to you is getting to sleep and to your dream. All the rest of the stuff, including imagined (or even actual) eyelid fluttering, are merely distractions that you must learn to look past. Now, speaking of those eyelids:

      * Regarding your eyelids, you seem to have said two different things, so I'll cover them both:

      First, if you can peek through a crack in your eyelids and see your waking-life body, then you are still awake. I would suggest that you avoid doing this, perhaps by aiming your eyes a little upward (behind closed lids, of course).

      If it feels like your eyelids are opening and closing, even though you know they are closed, simply try to ignore the activity. It might just be a bit of Hypnagogic Imagery (HI), and really is nothing more than a distraction. Try to move past it without giving it too much attention.

      * From your description, it sounds to me like you were pretty much always very close to being awake throughout your attempts. I suggest that you give your attempt more time; you really must be asleep in order to dream, and complete your WILD transition -- give it a chance to come.

      * Finally, 5-6 days of trying to WILD is not a long time. Try not to be disappointed or impatient.

      I hope that helped. Again, I strongly suggest that you take, or at least read through, the you might find it very helpful.
      Thank you for your wise words, I will surely go through the WILD class. Talking to an experienced person always gives me motivation, thank you very much.
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      Success but its a Lucid Nightmare! ok i woke up after 5 hours i did SSILD had problem falling a sleep for and hour and my perception on time was not right that hour felt like 10 minutes so i decided to count my self to sleep i fell a sleep had a weird dream where there was anti gravity it was weird but at the end of the dream i had self awareness but no access to memory i knew it was a dream i didn't perform a RC but it didn't matter after a few seconds the dream ended but i didn't wake up fully and then the noise came and vibrations maybe this was SP and i could hear my parents voices in the other room.

      The last time i had this i decided to wait to see what happens and i used the MILD technique with some mini cycles of SSILD it didn't transform in to a lucid dream but after that i had a DILD

      But this time i decided to separate my self from my body and it worked but since i was laying on my stomach i got the impression that i was falling and something bad would happen i got the black picture again but i quickly visualized a scene but it dint go well i don't know why i decided to go in the middle of the ocean i mean why i was underwater and i could see the sun above me but i couldn't swim up and at the bottom was a black abyss the i got scared and visualized my bed room where i could be safe boy i was so wrong just as the scene formed i saw shadow people looking above me but they ware caused by me because i taut to my self what if i get sleep paralysis and just as the dream scene was forming i got so scared and decided to end my dream right there and it worked i did a RC when i woke up and i was really awake i was so scared and happy at the same time.

      This is the most control i got since i started lucid dreaming but i expected i would have a lucid nightmare sooner or later and im not afraid to try again and improve do you have any advice if next time this happens what should i do should i wake up or should i go for it ?
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      ^^ Nice work, kir4ee, and you showed some excellent resourcefulness; thanks for sharing!

      Quote Originally Posted by kir4ee View Post
      This is the most control i got since i started lucid dreaming but i expected i would have a lucid nightmare sooner or later and im not afraid to try again and improve do you have any advice if next time this happens what should i do should i wake up or should i go for it ?
      I would recommend going for it.

      If things start getting out of hand, especially if a nightmare is forming, it might be time not to abandon the dream but to relax and re-establish your presence in the dream, and your knowledge that everything in the dream is You, and can ultimately be tempered by your own will, no matter how scary the imagery.

      For instance, if you find yourself in that ocean again (and you might, because imagery like that can have a tendency to repeat), instead of being concerned about being underwater, or about the depths below, take a moment to pause and remember where you really are (in a dream, with your sleeping body safely in bed), that there is no water, no dark depths, there is only your dream. Then quietly regather your self-awareness, which is often ebbing when nightmare imagery appears. Just sort of hang there in the water, you might even close your eyes, and thinking about nothing at all, except maybe that you are in a dream and all this imagery is a creation of your own mind, and not forces separate from you.

      You also might take a moment to notice that you have no trouble breathing in the water, which helps a lot. Instead of looking up or down, try looking off to your sides, and while doing so wonder what cool things might be just off in the distance in the water. And, of course, never concern yourself with things like SP, especially during the dream; that is just a waste of time and emotion. It is truly a rarity, but if SP happens, it happens; it is harmless, short-lived, and occasionally leads to another LD, so there is absolutely nothing to fear... and it should never be given a priority during the dream.

      Speaking of that, there really is no need to expect that you might one day have a lucid nightmare -- that only welcomes their eventual arrival. Instead, try knowing that a lucid nightmare need not ever happen, because if nightmare imagery begins to form, it is in your power to make it go away with a thought.
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