Thread: My Salvia Experience

can i just ask what level of extract? and was it smoked?
Imran

I haven't actually tried Salvia D. myself, but a couple of friends of mine have and they said they didn't notice anything (then again, they were stoned and had so many THC in their blood it might've been that, haha)

Originally Posted by imran_p

can i just ask what level of extract? and was it smoked?
Imran[/b]

Of coarse.

Salvia, actually a sage, usually comes in leaf form. In that form you smoke it. It comes it 5x 10x 15x each growing more potent.
What the (x) actually stands for in quantity, I don't know.

I am not into smoking. There is a soluble concentrate, which is even more potent. It is taken bilingually.
You can dilute it or choose not to.

For what ever reason there have been a number off times that there has been no effect what so ever. Then the next time, it drops you on your drawers.
That is one thin I do not like about it, the not knowing how much to ingest.

Not that I don't like you or that I'm trying to knock your use of Salvia,

but what does this have to do with Lucid Dreaming?

I've explored the world of Salvia quite extensively. The liquid extract really didn't do very much for me, however, smoking 5-10x really did the trick. If you don't like smoking though, why not use the plant matter? You can attain up to a level four experience with it.

Originally Posted by TweaK

I haven't actually tried Salvia D. myself, but a couple of friends of mine have and they said they didn't notice anything (then again, they were stoned and had so many THC in their blood it might've been that, haha)
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If it was their first time, they may have been people that needed a breakthrough experience. A lot of people (myself included) have to try it more than once for it to work on them. After that first time though, it worked just fine.

Howetzer, I'm confuzzled.
So you ingested Salvia and then wrote that piece?

My first ingestion I felt intense deja-vu and "saw" patterns. Seeing the patterns was like seeing an object through a slightly transparent veil.
My second ingestion, my world suddenly merged with another, then eventually just as fast, melted away.

I've only experimented with it on one occasion.

I have some salvia, have tried it a couple of times but with little noticable effect

I have smoked it each time. It makes things appear a little crooked, like a crooked painting on the wall i suppose. And i find i have a very intense focus on small things that normally wouldn't interest me but its very subtle.

I've read about some wild trips people have had on it but i haven't experienced anything like that.

I have no idea what potency it is but i'm guessing it must be low.

Originally Posted by BrotherDown

Howetzer, I'm confuzzled.
So you ingested Salvia and then wrote that piece?

My first ingestion I felt intense deja-vu and "saw" patterns. Seeing the patterns was like seeing an object through a slightly transparent veil.
My second ingestion, my world suddenly merged with another, then eventually just as fast, melted away.

I've only experimented with it on one occasion.[/b]

Sorry for such a late response.
I had put a lot of prethought into my trian of thought as I was reading Carl Jung's writings on consciousness before hand.
My prior experiences I don't think anything coherent could have happened.
This, like many describe, was a more spiritual in nature experience. I closed my eyes and let the thoughts flow.
Then I just wrote

Similar to my abstract DJ in the research team. ---> http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/inde...howtopic=26813

I'll try and answer a few Questions here ....

"What the (x) actually stands for in quantity, I don't know"

The (x) is a very Crude way of measuring potency...... If using salvia ...try to use a Standardized Extract..... A standardized extract will tell you the Exact ammount of the active Ingredint per dose ...as in 40mg/g means 40 milligrams of Salvinorim A

To feel a noticable effect... I would recommend using around 28mg/g salvia....

a much more powerful effect will be noticed at the 40mg/g level ( about 20-25x)

at the 80mg/g ( approx 40x) I have had a complete out of body experience....


I am very suspect of the orally taken Liquids..... The active ingredient ... Salvinorum A is neutralized by the saliva in the mouth ...... making results difficult....

I will gladly answer any more questions...... <J>

I&#39;ve tried Salvia three times now, all of which, were amazing.

Although the second time I tried it, I freaked the fuck out. Mainly because I was in a car... and I smoked a lot of it.

I thought the car was cut in half.... well... kinda, it&#39;s hard to explain. and I thought I was still stuck at the last place we stopped kinda, well I knew I wasn&#39;t but it felt like it. It felt like I was being sucked out of the car.... There was an extreme body buzz.... I&#39;m not sure if that was accredited to the weather.... or what. Oh, and for a few minutes I forgot who I was...

Salvia is pretty intense. I would only recommend using it if your in a big room... or a house... I remember I couldn&#39;t stand being in the car. I literally almost jumped out of a moving car.

Also, I would only recommend it if you have been using psychoactive drugs for a while...

I recommend that people use salvia in a quite , private place .... with not many people around.... first time users should try lower strength salvia and gradually work their way up to the more powerful levels.......... the salvia experience can be very humbeling, and to gain insight you need to understand what is happening ...a full blown salvia experiece can be very overwhelming to a first timer..... thus robbinng the user of the benefits....


also laying down and closing your eyes is a good idea....... there tends to be a disassociation between what your eye and your " mind&#39;s eye" percieve....... by closing your eyes, you are limiting the input to your brain....thus letting your 3rd eye open up ...

I&#39;ve got some 10x extract on the way - me and a friend are going to give it a go - hopefully it&#39;ll be interesting.

I didn&#39;t enjoy salvia. It was like smoking weed x 1,000,000&#33; too jarring. One minute I&#39;m sitting there completely normal. Then i hear strange laughter. And suddenly i realise it&#39;s me who&#39;s laughing. And windows of the same reality are zooming past me, and i just want to stay in one instead of having them go by so fast. then in 5 minutes it was over.....

Salvia Divinorum
It is a perennial herb in the mint family, related to common garden sage.
It is not a controlled substance in the United states, however the FDEA has listed it as - "a drug of concern"

Common names:
Diviner&#39;s mint, dinner&#39;s sage, leaves of the virgin Shepherdess. uuh OK.

Mexican plant that has already been banned in Louisiana, Missouri, Tennessee, Oklahoma and Delaware.

The US Food and Drug Administration, law enforcement and the scientific community differ on opinions for its use.

Originally Posted by ranma187

I didn&#39;t enjoy salvia. It was like smoking weed x 1,000,000&#33; too jarring. One minute I&#39;m sitting there completely normal. Then i hear strange laughter. And suddenly i realise it&#39;s me who&#39;s laughing. And windows of the same reality are zooming past me, and i just want to stay in one instead of having them go by so fast. then in 5 minutes it was over.....[/b]

Hehe I know what you talking about.

I finally manned up and took some 10x. I remember being very nervous before I took it. I took two hits, and it started out with everything shaking around me violently. Didn&#39;t even get my third hit in. Then there was the very long 10 foot trip to my bed. I realized I was laughing uncontrollably, but it did not feel like "I" was laughing. It was like I was "behind myself" - it actually felt like I was "behind the physical dimension" looking onto it and observing myself. I ended up going somewhere which is a bit long for me to get into. Once I started to coming down, when I was "back into myself" and actually felt like I was "myself" again, I got up to walk around, and it felt like something was pushing my right side, causing me to spin. It was such a strong force... At this point it felt like I just was "very high". I heard music playing, and my body started moving on its own to the music (freaky that I was not controlling this).

I guess my subconscious surfaced for a while, while I took the place of it.

Was not by any means a bad trip. Was actually quite fun - about half the feelings I&#39;ve felt I&#39;ve actually felt during Sleep Paralysis before. The "behind the physical plane" feeling though, that was new, and very, very weird.

I&#39;ve only had salvia twice so far, though I have a big stash in my dresser for a rainy day., The second time I got nothing much due to not taking enough before I lost co-ordination. But the first time was a real odd trip.

I took two hits of 5x. I took the first, didn;t feel much, then took the second. It kicked in. I lied down on my bed, wondering about the ceiling.

And then I got an odd sensation. The bed just sort of engulfed me and gravity went like 10x normal. It started to feel like there was a kilometer between my head and my left foot. Just my left foot. Like though I knew where my foot was, it felt way further away.

And then I got this daydream happening in my head. Not sure what it was about, it was almost like this little world started creating itself in my chest. Not my head, my chest. I was there, but someone else. And though it only lasted a few minutes, it felt like it was both an eternity, but at the same time only two minutes.

I haven;t got around to trying it again. I will though, maybe this week with my friend from oz who is staying, if he feels up for it. I think he will.

I had a really crazy daydream when I was on salvia...Kind of like, there was an assembly line, and there were different colored roses being put on it. That was wierd..I also sensed that everything was put together with blocks, and geometrically, everything looked perfect. It was crazy.

I haven&#39;t tried Salvia in a few years&#33;

My experience with it was that it felt that someone was in my head with me&#33; And that I was divided up like a kalidescope.

Yeah I know..weird.

I wonder what it would be like as a daily supplement&#33;

There is a guy named Paul Deveraux that wrote a book on mystical uses of psychotropic plant use by the ancients. He believed that Salvia Divinorum was actually this mystical plant mentioned in ancient writings that nobody knew what was. (Can&#39;t remember the name of what he believed it was).

Paul was also a member of the Dragon project that studied ley lines and stone circles, ancient gathering places, natural Earth energy etc. Good reading in any of his books&#33;

Sounds like a cool read. I guess anyone with the name &#39;Don Juan&#39; probably has good taste, if I am correct in guessing the reference.

just a quick warning&#39;...

They are studies that there is lethal dosis of salvia in-take and the line between a great trip and death is very little..

So for all the travellers out there be carefull with your dosis.

Personal tip.. Have a tape recorder with you...and record your trip..

This sounds like something I&#39;d definitely be interested in trying. For sadly I think I may have used up all my DXM credits...

*silent moment of reflection*

Yes...I think I shall get some salvia. Where to start?

Originally Posted by Ben_

just a quick warning&#39;...

They are studies that there is lethal dosis of salvia in-take and the line between a great trip and death is very little..

So for all the travellers out there be carefull with your dosis.

Personal tip.. Have a tape recorder with you...and record your trip..[/b]

Q. Can you take a fatal overdose?
A. No case of fatal salvinorin poisoning has been reported. The human oral lethal dose is not known but is believed to be extremely high. Leander Valdes, III provided the following information for inclusion in this FAQ regarding acute toxicity studies in mice: "I tested Salvinorin A intraperitoneally in mice at very high doses and it appeared to be not very toxic. This was long before the compound was being taken orally and it was testing about as potent as mescaline in the assay I was using. In light of the extreme potency of the compound, I think it quite possible and probably very likely that it was not being well absorbed. I had it in a mix of corn oil, tween 80 (a fancy emulsifier) and water. Dissolving the compound in solvents such as ethanol, acetone or DMSO probably delivers quite a bit more drug to the body (I didn&#39;t use them because I wanted an inactive vehicle). "

Swallowed salvinorin is not well absorbed. The chances of inadvertently swallowing a lethal overdose of an oral preparation of leaves, slurry or elixir are extremely low.

If salvinorin is inhaled as multiple inhalations of leaf smoke or vapor one could reasonably expect to pass out before he/she could take a lethal overdose. But significantly, nothing is known about the toxic effects of smoking truly massive &#39;single bolus&#39; doses of pure salvinorin, such a practice might be quite dangerous, and should certainly be avoided.

Although fatal poisoning from Salvia divinorum appears to be very unlikely to occur; there is another type of lethal overdose --- one that kills not by poisoning but by impairing judgment and survival instincts and causing fatal injury. If you smoked salvinorin and then walked out of a ten story window you would be very dead indeed. That&#39;s why sitters are needed when smoking or vaporizing high doses.

http://www.sagewisdom.org/faq.html#Section%2011

Originally Posted by Aquanina

This sounds like something I&#39;d definitely be interested in trying. For sadly I think I may have used up all my DXM credits...

*silent moment of reflection*

Yes...I think I shall get some salvia. Where to start?[/b]

www.iamshaman.com
http://www.salvia-divinorum.nl/en/salvia-d...m-trips_en.html

Originally Posted by Jess

Q. Can you take a fatal overdose?
A. No case of fatal salvinorin poisoning has been reported. The human oral lethal dose is not known but is believed to be extremely high. Leander Valdes, III provided the following information for inclusion in this FAQ regarding acute toxicity studies in mice: "I tested Salvinorin A intraperitoneally in mice at very high doses and it appeared to be not very toxic. This was long before the compound was being taken orally and it was testing about as potent as mescaline in the assay I was using. In light of the extreme potency of the compound, I think it quite possible and probably very likely that it was not being well absorbed. I had it in a mix of corn oil, tween 80 (a fancy emulsifier) and water. Dissolving the compound in solvents such as ethanol, acetone or DMSO probably delivers quite a bit more drug to the body (I didn&#39;t use them because I wanted an inactive vehicle). "

Swallowed salvinorin is not well absorbed. The chances of inadvertently swallowing a lethal overdose of an oral preparation of leaves, slurry or elixir are extremely low.

If salvinorin is inhaled as multiple inhalations of leaf smoke or vapor one could reasonably expect to pass out before he/she could take a lethal overdose. But significantly, nothing is known about the toxic effects of smoking truly massive &#39;single bolus&#39; doses of pure salvinorin, such a practice might be quite dangerous, and should certainly be avoided.

Although fatal poisoning from Salvia divinorum appears to be very unlikely to occur; there is another type of lethal overdose --- one that kills not by poisoning but by impairing judgment and survival instincts and causing fatal injury. If you smoked salvinorin and then walked out of a ten story window you would be very dead indeed. That&#39;s why sitters are needed when smoking or vaporizing high doses.

http://www.sagewisdom.org/faq.html#Section%2011[/b]

Thanks;&#39;.. maybe is my mistake.. I will look for the source where I read this..