I've been studying the Illuminati for several years and feel prepared to answer any and all questions related to the Secret Society and other shadow influences on world government. Ask away.
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I've been studying the Illuminati for several years and feel prepared to answer any and all questions related to the Secret Society and other shadow influences on world government. Ask away.
Tinfoil hats enhance brain control devices.
(Just trying to stay on topic)
Who are they?
The earliest known record of the Illuminati is a Bavarian society modeled after the free masons but with influence from the Enlightenment. However since then, hundreds of secret societies have claimed ties to this bavarian order which was banned only a year after being founded.
If you can answer my question completely rationally and thoroughly: +1 to you sir.
The illuminati conspiracy has had a recent surge of growth in recent years. It has left the isolation of only right-wing populists movements to mainstream popularity. Skeptics will believe that all of this is complete non-sense. Is there some rational truth to these conspiracies of new world order, totalitarianism and prophecy? If so, what are they?
Without sounding ignorant because I am open to new ideas, my personal belief is that conspiracism is created for the purpose of blame. Example: I blame the government for my poor financial state. What is your opinion on this theory?
Finally, is conspiracism a good thing? My belief is that it creates quite a bit of cynicism, paradoxal convoluted thinking and hopelessness. What is your opinion on this?
That's it. Good luck. :P
Let me first point out that to believe no conspiracy theories are true is as crazy as believing they're all true. But a lot of today's illuminati and NWO theories are just ideologues filtering information to fit their end-times prophecies. Because of this, any oppressive sort of action by our financial and government institutions is automatically glombed onto Satanism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quantiq
Firstly you have to realize many of these secret societies were trying to preserve knowledge repressed by the church. I'm sure from Da Vinci code you're aware of the way pagan symbols were transformed into satanic symbols in order to control the way people think. Conspiracy theorists with underlying religious agendas see one satanic symbol and suddenly it means satan controls government. Nevermind that perhaps these symbols were placed purposely in order to wake people up to the truth that's been kept hidden from them.
There is no world-wide order of satanists leading us into oppression. There is, however, an ancient caste system that still exists. The Presidents really are related, false flag incidents have happened and the government has run inhumane tests on the population (US, UK, China, Japan and Germany are all confirmed to have kidnapped their own citizens for experimentation with disease, dismemberment, chemical reactions, etc...). This is not worldwide, every country is still essentially self autonomous and even the royal bloodline can do little more than follow the will of the mob in order to maintain their power. The real game is very different from what the media tells us. But reality is also very different from what we perceive it to be. It's so different from what we perceive it to be right now that there isn't any point in arguing about how it works. It's like trying to describe the milky way to a geocentric audience.
Satan is the adversary. When you die, you will meet Satan. He's an archetype in your head, like the other angels, and he'll take different forms based on your religious background and your perception of yourself and of the way you lead your life. It's hard to explain exactly what he is and I'll admit I don't fully understand it but he's directly connected with your life replay and your ability to accept the choices you made in life.
The thing to avoid here is demonization. Looking for the shady men behind the curtain is just your parasite's way of distracting you from the real villain within.
Well, I have to admit you are the first one to give me a completely different perspective on this conspiracy itself. Some of what you said I actually believe, so much respect to you.
This. I definitely believe there have been false flag incidents occurring in the past and the fact the government has run inhumain tests on the population. And perhaps our perspective what we really think is going on is completely different from what actually is going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
This is interesting but I'm not sure if I completely believe you on this one. Its basically because of my different religious beliefs. I tend to be an optimist and I am Buddhist so I usually tend to look at the positives in people. Instead of a "good" and a "Bad" I tend to see only neutral. What is "good?". What is "bad?". Perhaps my definition of good is completely different from your definition of good and if this is so, where good and bad are inexplainable, perhaps morals are neutral.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
Anyway, thanks for the reply. You're the first one to create a rational argument on the illuminati without telling me that the world is going to end and that there is no point in living.
Actually I was trying to figure out what Satan is called in the tibetan book of the dead because he's mentioned there, too. He's the challenger, his role is to reveal you to yourself.
Are you familiar with Rob Ager's amazing analysis of Stanley Kubrick's The Shining, which he finds is filled with Illuminati references?
i have no idea how accurate any of it might be, but on a strictly artistic level I'm astonished with Kubrick's ability to layer deeply meaningful ideas and messages into a film. Reading this analysis led me on a wild and merry chase looking into all this Illuminati stuff, which really threw me for a loop for a while there.
I've always been really interested in the Illuminati concept, but haven't been so grounded enough to do extensive research. However, I've done my fair share of reading on it. I believe in a hidden framework of 'order' among the elites. I believe in the caste system that (even despite the guise of things like 'democracy' and 'the greater good') work to keep certain social groups in power, and keeping the general public, at large, as far away from that level of power as is possible. I believe that the Presidency, and geopolitical positions of power are more of a fraternity than they are a collection of separate entities that are coming together for the good of all peoples. I believe that there is 'an Agenda' with political power, just like there is 'an agenda' with any other corporation. Big Tobacco claims to provide a service, and they rebut and distract as much as possible, for people go perceive their existence as a service. (i.e.; we are just giving the people the 'fix' they want, for their enjoyment!), knowing full well that what they do is more for profit and personal gain than it is for providing a humanistic service.
Still, I believe that this level of truth to some conspiracies gets buried under all of the hysteria. Possible motives are exacerbated. Possible conspiracies are blown up to fantastic proportions, and completely unrealistic assumptions. These 'perceived truths' are told more often than any would-be 'actual truths', so 'conspiracy theory', as a whole, gets shot down, because it's easier to assume a conspiracy is a fraud than it is to go against the grain and actually look at the situations objectively.
When it comes to things like the Illuminati, the Bilderberg group, the Rockerfeller dynasty, the Federal Reserve and all of these 'power of the few' conspiracy theories, I believe there is much more truth to them than people are willing to believe, though much less truth to the more hysterical claims than many people try to assign to them.
I believe O is the second coming of Jesus.
No argument here, my son. :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkmatters
I'm going to have to watch all Kubrick's movies now. I'm getting the opposite sense from evidence in the article than the author though. He's referring to the falsely enlightened ruling class that utilizes the symbol of the eye of providence in reference to their false enlightenment, but what is this false enlightenment? While appearing pretty level headed, it's still pretty obvious that he has an underlying idea he's fitting the evidence into and with a different underlying agenda you can interpret Kubrick's use of symbolism quite differently. Still, it came up with some fascinating quotes ascribed to Woodrow Wilson.
I'm into synchromysticism, I take it lightly but I find, as an artist, I have very little control over my art. It just comes or it doesn't. I can craft it after it's out there but the process itself belongs to another, perhaps something within but definitely not my conscious mind. To me, it does not seem far fetched to believe the truth is constantly bubbling up to the surface of reality, utilizing Complexity to do so. Kubrick was definitely into themes relating to corrupt oligarchy but from his collection of interviews on the same website: Stanley Kubrick interviews and biographies: selected notes he appears to be more driven by strong intuition than a consciously drummed up plan to take down the nwo.
It also is perhaps not good practice to attack the messenger but the article's author is a white nationalist: PROOF OF ANTI-WHITE DISCRIMINATION AT THE NATIONAL UNION OF JOURNALISTS
I have a signed copy of "children of the matrix". Anyway, off to the question for you: is there a reference to them in the Sumerian tablets?
OD, I think that's quite a healthy attitude to take towards those analyses. He admits many times himself that he's just taking wild stabs at some of it, and just assembling the evidence and sifting through if to see what emerges. But I do love a well-researched analysis, especially of films with as many layers of meaning as Kubrick's. Yeah, I had to watch all of his movies too, and some of them several times while reading the analyses in between. I spent an amazing couple of weeks immersed in that wonderland.
What I love the most about it all I think, regardless of how correct Agar's assumptions may be or how accurate Kubrick's ideas inserted so cleverly into his films may be, is just quite simply that it proves the human mind is made to construct and dissect incredibly dense symbolism systems. You read a Kubrick film the same way you can read a dream or a great work of literature. I know some aspects of Freud's work are discredited, but if you read his Interpretation of Dreams you're witnessing a genius at work undertaking his life's work of unraveling the intricacies of the human mind by reading meaning in dreams, and it's uncanny to see how well he can unravel them. Just because something (or someone) has been discredited doesn't mean they don't have important things to teach us. And one of the most important is HOW to read a densely packed system of symbols. The kind of investigative approach and open-mindedness it takes.
Well OK, I've gone too far off topic now. But it's a response to your response to something I said that was somewhat on topic...
Freud gets a bad rap, I'm so glad my psychology teacher wasn't one of those "freud was wrong" sorts.
In answer to your question, IAmCoder, yes and no. The Sumerians were the first society in this era of humanity to "peak beyond" as it were and make contact with life from beyond material reality. The Sumerian Pantheon, much like the successive pantheons in Egypt, Greece and Rome, is not a reference to Aliens or Gods in the same sense we have of God. In Greece, Rome and Egypt they were archetypes, symbols more than reality, used so scholars could converse philosophy. The Sumerian's Ananaki points to extra-terrestrial life at first glance but when one compares the philosophical symbolism of the Ananaki to the successive Mysteries, you can see how it's just a means of preserving truth.
That's not to say nothing strange happened. But is it the Ananaki's fault? Or is it the Atlanteans fault?
The Ananaki theory
The Atlantean Theory
Carl Sagan helping you make sense of it all
How does an eye in a triangle brainwash me?
It doesn't. The triangle represents hierarchy. The eye represents God (more or less). It's just a symbol.
I've been interested in this topic for a long while. I don't really have an opinion on this though, yet.
Here my question to you, just out of curiosity.
There's a symbolism to the illuminati as far as I know and supposedly the people being in this conspiracy use these symbols. At least most videos will focus on that first.
Why would they be openly using these symbols, while it would be more logic to try and hide what secret stuff they're doing, as they are doing 'bad' things as some information suggests, instead of making these symbols and openly showing that they're in such a secret society. For example, the hand gestures that some do, like the president(s) of America, or other political persons, musicians and others.
Yeah, I kinda wondered about that, maybe you have an answer ;p
I know this is ODs thread, and I don't know if it violates protocol for someone else to answer, but I'll just say what I've heard and he can answer too when he pops in here next...
From what I've heard, these are the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world, who buy and sell presidents and world leaders and governments, so who do they have to fear? Not only that, but by keeping this legend and related conspiracy theories alive they promote a subculture of crazies who love to talk about this kind of stuff, and therefore any normal person hearing about it automatically files it under "crazy talk" and just ignores it.
Hiding in plain sight.
Or so I've heard anyway.
It's more about waking people up. Just as the Scholars in the Mysteries built statues of the gods representing a deeper mystery, so have these symbols been added to our own lives in order to point us in the direction of truth and remind us there is something deeper.
The first point I should make is that it's not a nefarious organization bent on controlling us like mindless slaves. The structure is self organized, they are fitting into the mold evolution carved out for them. They don't think the structure is permanent. They think of it more like a ladder, and everyone must slowly work their way up.
great video on the fourth dimension. I remember when I was in calculus doing cross sections that I came about this same theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
It is so funny to think about, but if the fourth dimension exists (which string theory I believe postulates), then we are the surface area!
How do we know you are not an agent of the Illuminati?
http://brainwash.discordian.com/images/hand.png
How do I know I'm not?
Well, I know I am. Or I think I know I am. Or you think I said I think I know I am. Or do you?
Yes... I like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Hastur
It's good that we've established common ground.
Have you played assasins creed before? Are the templars or the knights templar from that game representitive of the illuminati or free masons?? and would you say there really is a secret society of assassins that are working to save mankind from the illuminatis evil plans??
Luls not in the way they show them in Assassin's Creed. The Knights Templar, much like many other secret societies working before the Enlightenment, were attempting to preserve truth that went against the Church. After the control of the Catholic Church fell due to the Protestants, it was work from groups like Knights Templar, Free Masons and the Rosicrucians that these ideas were able to be preserved. Sir Francis Bacon, for instance, who had ties to both the bible and the Rosicrucians, is thought to have influenced the King James Bible with symbolic ideas oppressed by the Church.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawilahd
I'd like to add I believe I understand why we are flooded with Illuminati images. This is just speculation, mind you, but I believe this imagery is meant to condition our unconscious minds into believing what these symbols insinuate. This is contradictory to my original attitude in this thread but hey, if it were one way or the other the topic wouldn't be so fascinating.
I am free for more questions.
Apparently Micheal Jackson got killed by the illuminati. And some people think that the illuminati are actually reptilians? What's your opinion about that?
They are not reptilians, one has to remember that the world is full of secret societies and the illuminati are not the only ones, simply one of the more powerful ones of european/middle eastern origin. They are also known as the Brotherhood of the Red Dragon. They are at war with another Brotherhood, that of the Yellow Dragon, but this battle is more East vs West than good vs evil. They rival each other because for humanity to evolve it needs a polarity process. Eventually they will probably negotiate and form one, single secret society.
One has to remember that a secret society does not control the world any better than a mafia, financial institution or a banking cartel. They have influence, that's as far as it goes. Humanity can choose to give into any influence it wants.
What exactly are they trying to achieve?
They currently wish to maintain power over humanity by keeping humanity ignorant of their true power. To an extent they do this to protect humanity from itself because humanity is not really ready to wield their true power. However considering the amount of technology they keep repressed (to keep humanity dependent on things such as fossil fuels) it's hard to argue that they with-hold power from us primarily for our own protection.
They are essentially moving toward complete enslavement of mankind, and their means of obtaining this control is by controlling our money, energy and food. The last necessary pillar is control over food, which is why Monsanto is making such bold moves of control.
It's been insinuated that they wish to depopulate the planet. If they do, only the highest echelon of the Brotherhood knows about it. It would make sense that they believe there are too many people and it would be unsustainable to keep such a large population but it's unclear if even they know how they plan to go about this. They have incremented some insidious sterilization plans, have shown evidence of weather control, and have built several underground cities where they keep their lineage as well as some of the brightest minds they can come across. It may be their goal to set up a time released pandemic after shutting themselves inside their underground cities. It's also possible they're planning something even more insidious. However, evidence beyond this is... flaky. Like I said, whatever they're planning beyond control of the food supply at this time is not widely known.
It is also widely believed that the Illuminati is behind the Military Industrial Complex and America's perpetual state of warfare. Deemed Operation Blue Beam, a series of false flag operations since the 1970s have been orchestrated in order to maintain popular consent of a massive amount of spending on military technology in order to place the United States in a permanent position of military dominance. The first target, obviously, was the Russians, and the cold war was mostly manufactured in order to develop the Star Wars defense program. Following this, terrorists became the new target and 9/11 was orchestrated to create stronger motivation for perpetual warfare in the middle east. Blow-back is no accident, the Illuminati has been planning to instigate the middle east into committing acts of terror since the inception of Project Blue Beam.
The next target von Braun hinted at was asteroids, but we won't be moving toward this target until Americans grow weary of perpetual warfare against terrorists. The false flag operation will likely be very, very difficult to manufacture as von Braun did not foresee the coming of the internet and shared information. They may choose to skip this step altogether, and go straight to faking a UFO invasion. It's difficult to predict the future, and it seems outrageous that they would plan a false flag event to such a great scale, but so far this prediction has come true.
Finally, if you really do the research, you'll fall even further down the rabbit hole and see the experiments they're doing on reality itself. This information is very, very dubious and different depending on which crazy person you ask, it's all muddled up with the ascension stuff and the fifth dimension. Alex Jones has claimed (gripped by what I would describe as utter lunacy) that DMT was purposely released into the population because the Illuminati believes it helps them build a gateway to the dimension you visit when on DMT. I for one do not agree with his conclusions, because he's a megalomanic dick that jumps to conclusions and I have trouble forming conclusions at all. But I will say that I do believe the rabbit hole does, in fact, go this far. But once you start to research things on this level, the whole game changes.
Wow, these are pretty bold claims.
What are your sources for finding this information? You'll have to excuse me, but I find it hard to fully trust and accept what an anonymous guy on the Internet has to say.
Another unrelated question:
How would you go about joining such a group? I am a psychopath, so I think I can be able to lie my way in if it's possible.
There are various websites devoted to revealing their tactics and technology. None of this, of course, comes from "reputable" sources. I honestly can't easily recall and source every specific theory I've read. You're welcome to google Project Blue Beam or depopulation conspiracy theories and will likely find the same information.
One way to join the Illuminati is to go to Harvard and join Skull & Bones. This obviously will not mean you're in the Illuminati but both the Brotherhood and CIA recruit directly from secret societies such as that one. There are various other secret societies and other IV league schools you can join as well. From there, you just have to excel well enough to get noticed.
Some people believe there's a collusion between the Brotherhood and the Freemasons so perhaps if you ascend to a high enough masonic degree you could also join the Illuminati but I'm doubtful of the significance of this collusion. I think it's more like vatican and the mafia. The vatican uses the mafia for certain tasks because they don't want to dirty their hands but a mobster has little chance of becoming a cardinal.
Joining the Illuminati is not exactly self beneficial anyways. They're most concerned with their own legacies, meaning their own families, so if your family is not in the highest echelon you will never be more than a peon to them.
Can you name factions and individuals?
The gist of what I've gathered is the Rothschild banking family in Europe, with the Rockefeller and Bushes over in North America. The terms Zionists and Sabbateans get thrown around a lot as well.
Can you specify as to how these and other factions/families tie together, with their general histories and how they are in play now on the world stage?
So, joining them will likely not give me access to all their information.
Are there any organizations that work against the Illuminati? I would like to learn everything they know, and take action in stead of sitting on my hands discussing what is going to happen.
The anti-zionism and anti-sabbatean shit comes from bigots who think the jews are behind everything. There are extremists in every religion, and in reality the original goal of the free masons was to liberate the world from this kind of extremism so if anything, the free masons and zionists are at odds. Granted lately the free masons have used infiltration. For instance, it's quite probable that they infiltrated the vatican (look up conspiracy theories related to the assassination of pope John Paul I). Granted, there's not tons of evidence linking the free masons to the Illuminati. In fact, there's essentially no evidence at all that the Illuminati exists other than self-declared former Illuminati whistle blowers. And this isn't exactly trustworthy. While it's fun to play with theories, it's generally unwise to give specific names because then you're taking conjecture and bringing it to reality, and that can mean consequences (consequences Alex Jones would know nothing about even though he influenced the terror attack in Boston).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tranquil Toad
The Banking Families are the most typically targeted names of the Illuminati. However it's unclear exactly what level of power they hold, if the secret society does actually exist. The most powerful and still surviving families in the West are the Rothschilds, Morgans, Rockefellers, Mellons and Warburgs. It is assumed that these families are competitors, and I agree with this assumption. However even competitors will come together if anyone tries to change the rules of their game.
Apart from the Banking Families there's also the Mafia and the Vatican and the families which belong to them. The mafia has historically done the dirty work for both the Vatican and Banking Cartels (such as the assassination of JFK and Abraham Lincoln).
Finally, and probably most notably, there's the Jekyll Island Club. Now it's unclear whether greedy individuals were being manipulated and eventually cut out of the action that was planned on this fateful island, but what is known is that 53 individuals were present for the conspiracy to create the Federal Reserve. If any hard evidence of a conspiracy to enslave humanity were to exist, it would be the goings-on of this club. You can read more about it here: Jekyll Island Club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The second goal, after control of the money, is control of the energy. It is therefore presumable that the families which own the Supermajors (Supermajor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) are also in on the action. The final task for enslavement is control of the food supply, meaning corporate farms like Dole are probably connected, as well as companies attempting to copyright food like Monsanto. Granted, it's all need to know, but considering Hugh Grant's (Monsanto's CEO) open interest in replacing the ecosphere, he must at least have some type of world domination ambition.
Well sort of. There's the Luminari but this is just the East's version of the Illuminati. This is where I am forced to communicate channelled information regarding ancient civilizations, the pyramids, etc. The gist of it is that the two factions vie for control over the planet and have so since we descended into polarity. It's also been said that when the struggle is over we will move from a bipolar planet to a unipolar one. I'm not sure if I buy any of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by An0nymous
The real challenge is for humanity to grow beyond the need of this power structure. If we are to succeed in liberating ourselves, it will be from each of us individually realizing our power. For this, there are plenty of groups out there trying to teach humanity their true power. Joining a group like this first comes through wisdom. It is said when you are ready for the lesson, the master will appear.
This is an interesting perspective:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvEB...B275D66CE0553A
My understanding is very superficial. What I surmised about others' thinking about the subject was that Zionism as a movement and Israel as a state was/is largely created and sponsored by these banking families in order to basically get a foothold in the middle east. The state of Israel acts like a military outpost in the area, where it is fed weapons and resources from the industrial powerhouse of the U.S. This is part of a plan to gain control of that region which has been, historically, outside "illuminati" influence. Thus Zionism as a movement serves the goal of uniting mass opinion towards creating and maintaining the strategically important Israel. While many of these banking family members are Jewish, they don't care about the average Jew any more than they care about the average African.Quote:
Originally Posted by Original Poster
Religion is a suitable tool, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tranquil Toad
So why do you believe in the Illuminati in the first place, and why should anyone believe that they exist? What your saying makes as much sense as a conspiracy on this level is capable, so kudos to you. No sarcasm there.
I used to be really into conspiracy theories, but I'm generally more skeptical now, so they don't interest me as much anymore. I actually think the Illuminati symbolism that is supposedly everywhere may actually be there as jokes, like someone making a movie might go, "Let's put a bunch of Illuminati symbolism in the movie and see how many whackjobs notice it."
In abstract terms, I guess, if society is progressing in one force, is this an opposing force that stabilizes it? Much like the forces keeping things afloat with buoyancy-- the illuminati's actions acting as the force opposing the gravity that sinks the ship, or vice versa. If this is a totally inaccurate picture of what's going on with this, then disregard me :P
Weell - Iīm new to this forum and donīt know you guys yet - but I would have offered eating my bedpost front left side, if Original Poster actually meant all this seriously..
Not bad, not bad at all, OP - I take this offer back and am not so sure about it anymore..!? :shock:
Anyway - to all those who like the Sagan clip - the original 19th century book "Flatland" is such a lovely read - I can only warmly recommend it.
Couldnīt believe that it is that old, when I got a copy as a present - the style is so fresh and modern.
It can be had for free over the Gutenberg Project - albeit without illustrations - really worth a read - besides being about dimensions it is a spicy satire about society at that time - hilarious - really:
Flatland by Edwin A. Abbott
Because I'm a member BUAH HA HA HA HAQuote:
Originally Posted by CNGB
Like any marketing brand, the purpose is to saturate the unconscious mind with the symbol. You're not supposed to cognitively pay attention to it. It just needs to be everywhere so you unconsciously pick up on it on a constant basis. These symbols are meant to condition the unconscious mind into think that it's both powerless and under constant surveillance.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimeDragon97
Free masons, of course, also throw their symbols up everywhere as little secret high fives to other free masons. When a city has an obelisk, it reveals that city was under masonic control at one time or another. Granted, Masonic Lodges are largely independent and their level of corruption and conspiracy vary from one to the next. So while in Italy there's this crazy creepy collusion going on between the mafia, vatican and free masons, that's an independent anomaly. Local elections in states like Virginia are also typically rigged by the free masons. Opposing parties meet behind closed doors to discuss what they're going to do no matter who wins, and often have masonic ties.
I'd say you're starting to get it. There's no point in flipping out about this shit, it's a necessary evolutionary process and has been prophesied many, many times. Fretting over it is like the Gospel of Judas where Judas frets about what Jesus orders him to do. It's simply the way things must work out. If you believe in karma, worry not over the evils certain people supposedly get away with. They really don't. Poetic justice does exist in the universe. It's often very, very cruel and meaningless from our naive perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spenner
Wakka wakka. Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?Quote:
Originally Posted by StephL