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      Ask me about magic mushrooms

      Psilocybin is a natural substance which has many medicinal benefits, and one interesting fact to get us started:

      Deer are known to voluntarily eat these mushrooms to pass the long winters. The kind they eat are red and white, and perhaps that's why santas sleigh can fly?

      Magic mushrooms are not addictive, you cant eat them every day, you can't even eat them once a week because they will simply not work. You can't abuse them.

      Back in the day Mayans and many other tribes would [and still do] take them for spiritual purposes to get closer to god. You would have to eat the equivolent of your body weight to overdose on them. Unless you're allergic to penicilin. Then, approach with caution.

      My favorite method nowadays of digestion, is chocolate err scratch that, its juice. Zoom Juice XD

      Like everything in life, moderation is KEY.


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      The red and white mushrooms that deer eat are Amanita Muscaria, which do not contain psilocybin, but a different compound called muscimol. They have dissociative effects, not psychedelic.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Litost View Post
      The red and white mushrooms that deer eat are Amanita Muscaria, which do not contain psilocybin, but a different compound called muscimol. They have dissociative effects, not psychedelic.

      pff, its all the same!

      Magic mushrooms & Reindeer - Weird Nature - BBC animals - YouTube


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      Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
      No.. It's not all the same. Read some of the comments for that video.

      The effects of muscimol are substantially different from psilocybin and psilocin, found in "magic mushrooms", as the chemicals target separate parts of the brain. Muscimol has been shown to lack "structured" hallucinations in most cases, and the effects are frequently compared to a lucid dream state.

      Muscimol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      There's a difference between dissociatives and psychedelics.
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      "They even drank urine from reindeer, believing to be under the influence."

      How the heck do you catch reindeers' pee??


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      Quote Originally Posted by Litost View Post
      No.. It's not all the same. Read some of the comments for that video.



      There's a difference between dissociatives and psychedelics.
      yeah, you're right, those ones are a deliriant which is a class of hallucinogens.. Those still would get reindeer pretty messed up..

      But thats not the point i'm making. They freaking eat mushrooms to get high ON PURPOSE. Nature ftw

      I only have experience with pcilocybin !


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      Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
      Deer are known to voluntarily eat these mushrooms to pass the long winters. The kind they eat are red and white, and perhaps that's why santas sleigh can fly?
      Ha, didn't know that. Pretty cool!

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      Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
      You would have to eat the equivolent of your body weight to overdose on them. Unless you're allergic to penicilin. Then, approach with caution.
      I've never found any truth behind this, even when searching online. Both I and my closest tripping buddy are allergic to penicillin and have never had any problems.

      Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
      yeah, you're right, those ones are a deliriant which is a class of hallucinogens.. Those still would get reindeer pretty messed up..
      Also, they're not deliriants. They're much closer to dissociatives, like Litost said, but they're not really any of the big three. They work through a totally separate mechanism, like salvia (but not the same one as salvia). Prepared correctly, I'd say they're kind of like a psychedelic/dissociative fusion, but definitely nothing like deliriants. Anything will create delirium if you take enough, but that doesn't make their hallucinations similar to anticholinergics, which I unfortunately have experience with.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Alyzarin View Post
      I've never found any truth behind this, even when searching online. Both I and my closest tripping buddy are allergic to penicillin and have never had any problems.
      My girlfriend ended up in the hospital because her mouth swelled up after 1 gram of pcilocybin, and she is allergic to penicillin. Its different with everybody though, thats why I said approach with caution.

      Quote Originally Posted by Alyzarin View Post
      Also, they're not deliriants. They're much closer to dissociatives, like Litost said, but they're not really any of the big three. They work through a totally separate mechanism, like salvia (but not the same one as salvia). Prepared correctly, I'd say they're kind of like a psychedelic/dissociative fusion, but definitely nothing like deliriants. Anything will create delirium if you take enough, but that doesn't make their hallucinations similar to anticholinergics, which I unfortunately have experience with.

      Actually, they are Amanita muscaria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      Psychoactive use

      Unlike psilocybin mushrooms, Amanita muscaria is a deliriant (as opposed to a psychedelic; see hallucinogens) and has been rarely consumed because of its toxicity and sometimes because of its unpleasant effects.
      Last edited by kel; 04-29-2012 at 12:14 AM.


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      Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
      My girlfriend ended up in the hospital because her mouth swelled up after 1 gram of pcilocybin, and she is allergic to penicillin. Its different with everybody though, thats why I said approach with caution.
      Well, I suppose if they were grown in a contaminated area it could be a problem.... It normally shouldn't, though.

      Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
      No, they're not. Deliriants work through blocking muscarinic acetylcholine receptors. Muscimol, the active chemical in Amanita muscaria, works through activating GABA-A receptors, and in fact these receptors are even present in the visual cortex along with 5-HT2A and are likely responsible for muscimol's synesthesia, sensory distortion, and other psychedelic-like effects. Just because it says so on Wikipedia doesn't mean it's the same type of drug, Wikipedia is far too general with some of its descriptions. Amanita muscaria and deliriants do NOT have similar effects, mental or physical. The fact that everyone calls it a deliriant because they don't know better is why people tend to push this drug aside thinking it belongs in the trash with other deliriants, but what they're overlooking is a genuinely powerful hallucinogen that ranks up there with the true psychedelics and dissociatives in its ability to cause revelations and ego death. It's a unique atypical psychedelic with a lot to offer, not a deliriant.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Alyzarin View Post
      Well, I suppose if they were grown in a contaminated area it could be a problem.... It normally shouldn't, though.



      No, they're not. Deliriants work through blocking muscarinic acetylcholine receptors. Muscimol, the active chemical in Amanita muscaria, works through activating GABA-A receptors, and in fact these receptors are even present in the visual cortex along with 5-HT2A and are likely responsible for muscimol's synesthesia, sensory distortion, and other psychedelic-like effects. Just because it says so on Wikipedia doesn't mean it's the same type of drug, Wikipedia is far too general with some of its descriptions. Amanita muscaria and deliriants do NOT have similar effects, mental or physical. The fact that everyone calls it a deliriant because they don't know better is why people tend to push this drug aside thinking it belongs in the trash with other deliriants, but what they're overlooking is a genuinely powerful hallucinogen that ranks up there with the true psychedelics and dissociatives in its ability to cause revelations and ego death. It's a unique atypical psychedelic with a lot to offer, not a deliriant.
      mind blown
      I thought wiki trumps all.. guess not.

      Are they not toxic to reindeer?? I'd imagine they get no negative side effects if they keep doing them. is that strain around ever, or too poisonous?
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      From what I understand, the reindeer do not receive the same toxic effects that people do with raw Amanitas. The reason it was good to drink their urine is because there are two main psychoactive compounds in the Amanitas: muscimol and ibotenic acid. Muscimol is the hallucinogen, and ibotenic acid is a prodrug that converts to more muscimol after it is ingested. However, ibotenic acid is also a neurotoxin and is likely the reason for what people call the "deliriant" effects. It agonizes NMDA receptors which causes overstimulation and excitotoxicity (killing nerve cells), and that likely adds a very heavy and unpleasant mindfuck. Muscimol, however, is not metabolized at all - it is excreted in urine as muscimol. So if the mushrooms were to pass through the reindeers' bodies first, I imagine what would remain would be nothing but muscimol. The Amanitas can also be cooked properly to turn all of the ibotenic acid to muscimol anyway, so no reindeer are required for a good trip from it. It's possible to get pleasant effects from just eating them raw too, but less likely. The ratios of muscimol to ibotenic acid will vary a lot depending on the mushroom.

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