Help with connecting logic to lucidity?

I have this problem where in my dreams i have logic. Sounds like a good thing right? Well I feel that it is, the only problem is i cant connect this logic to using it to become lucid. For example I had this dream where they were showing like a movie premiere for this huge sequel to the original movie. The only thing is the screening was held on the moon. In my dream i asked myself you know does that make sense. I actually had the though of is that possible? I reasoned with myself in the dream that we now had people living on the moon. like we had a human population on the moon, and thats what made the whole thing make sense to me. i usually have these questions of is that logical? in my dreams at least once a night if not more. I was wondering if anyone had any tips to learning how to use this as a way to achieve lucidity, so please help with any suggestions you may have all responses are welcome :)

yeah your brain always makes excuses for it to work and make sense. Just keep a dream journal and practice at recognizing things that wouldn't happen so you can try an RC.

I do keep a dream journal and i know my dream signs i just like never put two and two together in my dream

ok thats good but your right that is the hard part, IDK how to really help you, just keep working at it! practice and be confident!

I would pursue the questioning. Ok, so you decide that you are being shown a preview on the moon because people now live on the moon. That's cool and perfectly logical. When did you get to the moon? Were you born there? Are you visiting? How long have people been living on the moon? Just don't stop asking questions until you find one that you can't answer and then *poof* you're dreaming.

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Hi I think there is potential for you to LD regularly if you chose a dreamsign instead of relying on random themes to trigger logic and then RC. If it's a dreamsign that recurrs it would be easier to 'tag' it with "Is it possible for this to happen?Do an RC". If you rely on randomness it's harder since the mind will have 101 reasons to cover up the irregular logic as it goes along with whatever it encounters whereas if it's just one like for example seeing someone who is supposed to be dead...it's more diffcult for the mind to cover up partly being the center of attention during waking time training.

IMJ

Logic is no more that the symbolic manipulation of reality through the aritifice of names.

Since man has a dozen or more different ideas about what language is, what it is based on, how can you claim to be above all that and simply say you have it?

Another disturbing issue is of course, the Judeo-Christian Scripture which says the same thing, but states that one day an individual will come along and start a revolution in what you call logic. (in such passages as, he shall cast the truth to the ground and it shall prosper etc, in another metaphor, when Moses cast the tablets to the ground, or yet another mention of it, when someone comes and loosens the seals on the Scripture. Sometimes called Satan, Beast 666s Sometimes the Spirit of Truth ) All about the same historical event, Judgment--Logic, etc. Of course, one would have to understand things fundamentally different to say such things, or, optionally microwave their hair every morning. But, when both man and god say that man does not know the foundation of language, what I say may be entirely strange, but those claiming to simply have logic, I tend to think as being delusional.

If one were truly rational, one would first have to write the principles of logic such as has never been written before. But then, think of how many people that would piss off.