No hypnotic imagery or sleep paralysis..

I've been trying to work on WILD off and on, but always have the same problem...

I fall asleep very easily, when not attempting any techniques; within the first 10 minutes if I'm tired...
I know exactly what sleep paralysis feels like and the feeling you get as it approaches, I've felt it on many different occasions...

When I try to WILD, I lay there motionless with something covering my eyes. I lay there for a long period of time and I never get hypnotic imagery or sleep paralysis. I get the slight pains/itch from my mind testing my body, but never succumb.

I just lay there for an hour, get fed up, and roll over falling asleep within 5 minutes. Or I just fall sleep without ever seeing/feeling anything.

Anyone have any suggestions?

I'm in the same boat, but what I've recently read and think may be the case, is
that sleep paralysis has many different feelings, two of which I believe I have
experienced. So if you come across some intense felling like massive amount of
pressure or as if you are on a centrifuge. The two I have experienced, try getting
up and doing a reality check when its over. You may be in a FA scenario.

I always do a reality check before rolling over and I'm always awake..

Hmm.. I don't know then. I'm kind of in the same boat so hopefully someone posts
here. If I figure it out I'll let you know :)

i have had the same problems as you when i attempt WILDs. ill eventually just fall asleep or my mind will just drift off and ill realize im not focusing ont he WILD. recently though i tried to WILD during the middle of the day and i wasn't succesful in LDing but i did reach the hypnogogic stage and felt my eyes moving rapidly. So all i can suggest is that you try a WILD in the middle of the day when your not tired enough to just fall asleep. When you do this really focus on staying awake and focus on the WILD. i tried visualizing a landscape. Look at a nice picture of some place before hand and try to visualize it during the WILD. i hope this helps a little, just don't give up eventually you will succeed!

You said you rolled over, so let me mention this. If you normally try to WILD in one position, but sleep in a different one. Try doing the WILD in the position you sleep in. For me, I usually try to do WILD's laying on my back, but sleep on my side. Switching position to one your more comfortable in means you fall asleep quicker. There is pro and cons to that. Quicker sleep means its easier to drift off by accident, but at the same time means you don't need to focus as long.

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Originally Posted by DayDreamer315

i have had the same problems as you when i attempt WILDs. ill eventually just fall asleep or my mind will just drift off and ill realize im not focusing ont he WILD. recently though i tried to WILD during the middle of the day and i wasn't succesful in LDing but i did reach the hypnogogic stage and felt my eyes moving rapidly. So all i can suggest is that you try a WILD in the middle of the day when your not tired enough to just fall asleep. When you do this really focus on staying awake and focus on the WILD. i tried visualizing a landscape. Look at a nice picture of some place before hand and try to visualize it during the WILD. i hope this helps a little, just don't give up eventually you will succeed!

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Wait, it's normal for your eyes/lids to move rapidly? Sometimes it gets to the point where I feel like my eyes and eyelids are moving really fast. I assumed that I opened my eyes and failed. (Yes, I do a reality check afterward just to make sure.)

i can't say for sure but i think it is normal for your eyes to move rapidly. im assuming that means your just going through a REM cycle which is when most LDs occur according to what ive read. My eyes moved so rapidly that i was fighting to keep them shut.

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You said you rolled over, so let me mention this. If you normally try to WILD in one position, but sleep in a different one. Try doing the WILD in the position you sleep in. For me, I usually try to do WILD's laying on my back, but sleep on my side. Switching position to one your more comfortable in means you fall asleep quicker. There is pro and cons to that. Quicker sleep means its easier to drift off by accident, but at the same time means you don't need to focus as long.

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i find sleeping on my side alot more comfortable and thats how i normally sleep. but when i attempt WILDs i lay on my back. ive nevered tried a wild on my side but ill try it some time. its whatever works best for you i guess. i haven't had enough experience with wilds to know which works best for me

This same thing is is happening to me, even the rapid eyelid movement. I'm on my 5th wild attempt now. Guess i'll take a break for a day and try again tommorow.

I sleep on my side and attempt WILDs on my back. I feel like if I attempted WILD on my side,
some of the things would be harder to maintain. Like when you enter sleep paralysis, thats
intense and on my back its nice because there isn't as much space to move. The center of
gravity is low. I don't know I just think it would be easier on my back :P

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Originally Posted by Lost_prophet

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When I try to WILD, I lay there motionless with something covering my eyes. I lay there for a long period of time and I never get hypnotic imagery or sleep paralysis. I get the slight pains/itch from my mind testing my body, but never succumb....Anyone have any suggestions?

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'I never get hypnotic imagery' means you are waiting for images to come to you. Don't wait! Imagine your own images. Visualizing and Dreaming occur in the same location of our occipital lobe ... the secondary visual cortices (collectively called the cortex). In a deep state a relaxation visualize something (preferably something non-threatening).

Yep, really the best advice anyone can give an attempting WILDer is
to relax and just sort of let it happen. Your body really knows best what
its doing as it does it every night. You're just along for the ride.

Hey people...honestly I listen to music whenever i try to WILD (I listen to 2 steps from Hell) and that usually keeps me awake long enough to open my eyes in the dream world. Oh and I can induce this tingling sensation throughout my body, and I know that my body has to be completely relaxed whenever I do it (that is how I make my body think I'm asleep :) ). But yeah I know people don't recommend it, but try listening to some music on low volume when you WILD, just make sure the music isn't too relaxing lol.

I think i got the closest I've ever gotten to SP purposefully last night. I blame my laziness for not wanting to get up a 6am. I don't wait long enough before going back to bed so I crash.
BUT last night i woke up about 6 minutes before my alarm was supposed to go off and i realized I had moved too much to try a DEILD (plus my impending alarm would have ruined it). But I woke up from a cool dream and I didn't want to forget it so I got up to write it down. By the time i was done, I was pretty awake, but not TOO awake so I found a comfortable position and started my usual anchor of counting. I realized after a bit that I was visualizing random stuff that came into my head but I was careful not to fall asleep. At one point I felt a sudden buzzing/tingling sensation on my foot and it was different from the foot-falling-asleep sensation. Unfortunately in sort of brought me out of my dreamy state and when I tried to go back into it, I fell asleep eventually.

But I discovered that when I actually put some effort into waking up, the attempt goes a lot better XD

awesome, i came close to LDing twice i think this week from attempting WILDs. i would get to the hypnogogic stage and see purple patterns and such but i wouldn't know what to do after that. i tried visualizing something but nothing happened. i would feel my eyes try to open but i wasn't sure if i opened them i would wake up or if i would open them and be in a dream. thats my only real problem now.

I came close to sp twice. The first I actually hit the transition, but I moved :(