Counting your way to Lucid Dreaming Technique

Apple juice confirmed. Drank two big glasses before bed (damn near made me throw up), and last night I had 2 sorta vivid dreams, but most importantly, both were in 1st person. I also had two little fragments in 1st person. Before, I had a dream in 1st person maybe once a week. Going from that two 4 1st person dreams in one night can only mean one thing- the apple juice makes you dream in 1st person, and increases vividness. I did, once again go to sleep fairly late, about 1am, so that may have hampered my test, but still.

And this is not placebo, as I was skeptical of it at first. But for me now, it's proven.

It's better to just visualize a dream scene in that 50 seconds you are counting...

You see now, it just isn't that simple. I'm not getting at you, but people always say just visualize, and count until you appear in the dream world. But you always, or we always notice our bodies after a while and snap out of it. You need to give more advice than just count and visualize.

Tried this, WBTB, SP came unnoticed, relatively quickly, felt myself kinda in-between consciousness and unconsciousness.. But I couldn't get into the dream! Tried again, same thing, SP came quickly, but I just couldn't get into the dream.

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Exact same thing happened to me one night- double S.P., just couldnt get there. If there was some way to keep your mind of your body.. but of course, when you think to do that, all you can think about is.... YOUR BODY.

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Originally Posted by fOrceez

Tried this, WBTB, SP came unnoticed, relatively quickly, felt myself kinda in-between consciousness and unconsciousness.. But I couldn't get into the dream! Tried again, same thing, SP came quickly, but I just couldn't get into the dream.

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Originally Posted by Origami

Exact same thing happened to me one night- double S.P., just couldnt get there. If there was some way to keep your mind of your body.. but of course, when you think to do that, all you can think about is.... YOUR BODY.

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When you hit SP, stop counting ;)

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Originally Posted by Reclypso

It's better to just visualize a dream scene in that 50 seconds you are counting...

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that also may help :D

As soon as I noticed I was in sp, I tried to keep my mind relaxed, letting thoughts flow through and onthe second time, a dream started to form, but I could notget out of my body enough.. Orfully fall asleep. At one point, I was very close to WILDing and was creating my own dream, but icould still feel my body being there.. So I woke myself up.. WHY?! :-(

I shall try again tonight

okay thank you for the results everyone

(not sarcasm)

Much welcome! :D

Tell yourself, the next time my eyes open I'll be lucid and just relax. Don't think about it and you'll be in a dream in a few seconds.

Again, thats easy to say and do if you already had a lucid dream, but for people who haven't, its damn near impossible! Every time I entered S.P., I would stop counting and just try to fall into a dream, but then it would just end, and then the frustration builds up. It's built up so much now that I'v decided to stop trying now.

Last night when i done it, I felt my dream body, but I just wasn't fully in the dream.
Going to bed real soon, shall report in the morning or afternoon.

i first saw this on LD4all and have tried it around 15 times. i have been successful twice . i usually end up falling asleep while counting. one time i opened my eyes into a dream scene. the other time i had to separate from my body.

definitely combine w/ a WBTB and don't stress too much about getting the numbers right. my only issue with the OP is that it's "count to 51 and you're in" which seems overly simplified. you will often have to count further than that or longer than that depending on how fast you fall asleep. its not the numbers that matter its the fact that you are falling asleep with your intentions set on an activity.

if you haven't had a lot of lucids before you will probably find it more beneficial to concentrate on DILD based techniques, as WILD's are typically more "difficult." but everyone is different and everyone dreams, so keep on keeping on.

Well, thanks for the info and tests everyone :D

I prefer DILD techniques, but i thought this might be helpful for everyone who likes WILD and WBTB methods. Since your getting results, i feel satisfied in posting this method here :cackle:

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Originally Posted by Origami

Again, thats easy to say and do if you already had a lucid dream, but for people who haven't, its damn near impossible! Every time I entered S.P., I would stop counting and just try to fall into a dream, but then it would just end, and then the frustration builds up. It's built up so much now that I'v decided to stop trying now.

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YOU JUST NEED TO KEEP GOING!!
You see, if you just stop, you're never going to get anywhere, but if you just try out new stuff like DILD, MILD, etc etc, then maybe you'll have one again, and that'll be an incentive to keep going!!
Just remember how awesome it was when you found out you were dreaming? Focus on that feeling. Let it wash over you.... I'd give anything to feel that again, wouldn't you?

You must know that everyone says the same thing as an encouraging thing- it never works though. Keep trying, keep believing! Right. If I told you you could get sand from a stone by rubbing it in your hands, you would quickly lose belief after maybe an hour (3 months) or rubbing (dreaming).

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Well, thats because you have that attitude towards it bro.....

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And I have that attitude because of a failure, and then all you get as encouragement is "Keep trying". Well duh.

Look, I'm not trying to be a jackass or anything, but it's not working and that help isn't helping.

there is no such thing as failure. only learning from your mistakes.

advice doesn't help if you don't take it.

Advice doesn't work if it doesn't help.

Ok. Origami. Hmm.... This has happened to me for longer, but I'm still going.
Just try out new things. I try out about 2 new things every week. If you want, go for longer.
Try everything new that you see that sounds reasonable.
Try out supplements. Fish oil, B6, Galantamine + Choline Bitartrate, EILD, Subliminal Messages.
Try out everything until yuo find something that works well for you. Thats what I am trying to go for!

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Look, I'm not trying to be a jackass or anything, but it's not working and that help isn't helping.

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Ok, good. I hate jackasses xD ....... But if you find that its not working. Maybe your on a Dryspell. Take a few days or a week off Lucid Dreaming.
Stop trying to WILD, etc. Keep up your DJ, but dont try induction methods.
Who knows, you might even LD during this time.

I'm sorry, it's just every time I come on here, everyones getting lucid except me. Especially when some newbies come on and go on about "Iv been on for 3 months and only had 4 lucids, is that bad? wah wah wah".

It's annoying when everyones getting along well except me. I tried taking time off, it was good, but my dreams have plummeted to nothing, so I'm going to try and improve my recall, and try to jot down more each night. I think I don't write down enough. I will try that, then go for whatever method looks simplest.

i would just stick to FILD personally. i will be lucid 1-51 is 51-100 seconds long, FILD is about 20 normally (from what ive read and experience).

Finger induced lucid dreaming? Well I may as well, I'm not doing any ATM.

as ive said b4 only 1 of my lucid dreams was an actual lucid dream, rest were 'semi lucid'.

the reason you arent getting any is because you are pressurizing yourself to get them to much. You need to lighten up a little. I can tell by the words you chose your frustrated.

Im talking to Origami btw