Groggy after WBTB

I get really really groggy if I use WBTB and don't sleep in until about noon. I really don't want to limit my dreaming practice to weekends. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks

Yeah I get this too... one of the main reasons I dont' do it much. It makes me feel groggy and woozy when i wake up the second time and lots of times when i do WBTB I actually feel sick afterwards.

I haven't yet successfully achieved one of these yet but I try them almost every morning. I haven't had any problems with being groggy or sick or anything really, unless I go to sleep later than I normally do.

I have the book, "Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep", and the author suggests three separate periods of waking throughout the night. He says that it maintains a lighter sleep, and the sleeper is more apt to dream lucidly this way. I'm going to try this method as opposed to just one period of wakefulness and see how it affects my grogginess. I will keep everyone posted.

I tried another WBTB last night successfully! I am getting 6 hours of sleep now, then staying awake for half hour. During this half hour I usually get up and walk around, then read for a bit on dreaming, etc. I woke up fine after 1.5 hours upon going to sleep again and wasn't groggy. As a side note, I've had 11 LDs, 10 of which were WBTB. I have a 100% chance of an LD if I use WBTB.

Wooh, Dee Dee, that's a great success rate with WBTB!!

I still don't understand one thing about it, though. I've tried WBTB a few times, however, I only stay up for a couple minutes. I'm afraid that once I wake up completely, I won't be able to fall back to sleep.

Is it completely necessary to actually get out of bed and walk around? If so, why? Is it so you will eventually get very sleepy again or does the brain have to be completely alert before going back to sleep? I'm the type of person that once I'm awake, I'm usually quick to become very alert - which is why I'm afraid to stay up too long for I might not be able to get back to sleep.

Yes getting up for at least 30 minutes really helps you achieve lucidity. Somehow it tricks the mind into the lucidity. I find if I don't get out of bed a wake up a little that I will fall back to sleep remembering the dream I just woke from and go back into the dream and not become lucid. But it all depends. Sometimes falling right back to sleep after waking produces Ld's.
The down side the the WBTS is that sometimes it takes me awhile to fall back to sleep so it takes away from my sleeping time.

I think the main reason for getting out of bed and doing something is that it brings the mind to a higher state of awareness. Apparently the sodium and potassium levels in the brain reset after 5 or 6 hours, so your brain is I guess "ok" on that much sleep. Your body, however, needs more, so you can get back to sleep if you just try to relax. When you do this, your awareness is slightly higher than it was previously, making it easier to reach a lucid state in dreams. I'm going to try again tonight, good luck to you all!