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Hey, I am new to lucid dreaming and its forms of it and was hearing people talking about having OBEs and seeing people in their life doing things, and aperantly it actually happened. Is it actually real or just a dream? Also Some Banannas since I havent used a forum in over a year :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
It's a little controversial, as there is no scientific prove for either way.
Some people claim they had OBEs and they've seen real stuff happening, like they were actually there, just astral. Actually my girlfriend reported something similar recently, not sure but it was a very different experience for her so there might be some truth to it.
Then there are other people are strongly against believing anything like that, as it is supposed to be something supernatural.
I have no real personal opinion on that yet as I'm missing personal evidence, but for now I don't think it's impossible to have a real OBE. You'll have to decide on an opinion for your own from there on.
no sense you speak unless you are speaking 'yoda'
I remember watching some documentary, they mentioned these two special types of atoms (at least I think that's what they were), which even when separated completely, and at a good distance apart, could still send and receive information much like computers over the internet. So I was thinking what if an OBE is much like the same thing, one atom is in a certain part of the brain, while one is outside sending information back the the brain. It's definitely the most wild though I've had, but we don't know everything about the human brain.
I'm pretty sure you're thinking of entangled electrons. Due to the way that the brain receives sensory input, entanglement between the electrons of someone's brain and other electrons would not cause the ability to perceive spaces that the person cannot physically see. Scientists don't understand everything about entanglement (and I understand even less), so I could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkeyeTy
I tend to be really scientific in how I view things, so I think of OBEs as something that happens just within a person's brain. Dreams show that a person doesn't actually need outside stimulation for vivid images to appear, so it's entirely possible for the brain to mimic what it would actually look like if a person's soul (or whatever a person's spiritual counterpart is called by those who believe in it) exited their body and went to different places observing what was there. In other words, an OBE could just be someone's brain tricking them into thinking that they left their body.
Being a scientific person, if someone showed me a piece of solid (non-anecdotal) evidence that supported OBEs, then I would be inclined to reconsider what I believe.
Yes that's it, thank you for the correction. Although, I can't just think it's the mind tricking us into believing we're having out of body experiences, being that there is evidence that has been shown of people watching themselves being operated on, and reporting in great detail their observation, and it turns out to be what was actually happening. While I look at everything from a scientific point of view, as what we already know, I like to look at things as "what if this were possible.." because that's how we advance in science, it's basic procedure, then comes testing the hypothesis. While I could be wrong about what I stated above, I don't truly know, and it is only by observing and offering different perspectives and ideas that I can possibly help. But respect to your comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petrokov
I too am very scientific and dont believe in most of theories like Astral Projection and OBE's and you are right. Some people loosely use terms like Quantum entanglement and Quantum superpositions to explain events like OBE's stating that the soul is entangled with particles outside the body which allows us to look upon ourselves :makeitstop:. Even worse is when poeple use Quantum entanglement to describe how people could possibly share dreams - Somehow our brain manages to communicate huge amounts of data through a temporary connection with someone else brain, using a part of the brain which hasn't been discovered which can create entangled electrons and magically decode qubit information into a useable format by our brain......Wait what???. I still wait for someone to give me a solid piece of evidence which states thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Petrokov
they can be explained, if they cant they have no use in my life.
Sorry for outburst back to OP. Like my post suggests I feel that OBE's are just LD but if anyone has concrete evidence of some other plane of existence through which people can travel which could explain OBE's id be happy to hear.
People claim to randomly hop out of body, and be looking at themselves in the room they are in. They may be relaxed when this stuff happens, but definitely not asleep or dreaming. You have to experience it yourself though to understand I guess
I urge many of you that have posted here, to read this article. It is Very interesting, and provides more insight on the subject at hand.
THE AWAKENING – Quantum Mechanics of the Human Brain and Consciousness « END GAME TIMES
Specifically scroll down to where they talk about OBE and NDE, it's about like what I was saying. :)