YOUR Attainment (Unlocking Lucid Potential)

I understand the convictions of those who join forums such as this. One who searches for fulfillment will most often times seek external aid. Like the internet. I don't doubt the unlimited potential of what can be taught through sites which connect people across the planet to aspire to a common goal. And so, I'm hear to teach YOU, how to teach YOU. In hopes of a revolution in yourself and the site. Making a state in which you don't come hear to learn lucidity, but to share your experiences and ideas amongst each other. AND a state within in you; to not be taught, but to teach YOURSELF. Because I know deep down in the calamitous depths of my throbbing soul, that we can reach something much greater than lucid dreaming. We'll get into that later (Possibly another thread). So now, allow me to relieve the stress of... Attaining Lucidity

The Nature Of Your Mind: The key word is "nature". Your mind has "natural" tendencies. Instincts. You naturally know (with a healthy mind and no deformities) how to learn; how to perceive; how to feel emotionally. We also know for a damn FACT, that we naturally know how to dream. Ahh yes, the world we humans question and thrive to understand, and grasp with an iron fist. But I'm sure, many of you would agree that something so natural shouldn't have to be grasped! It should be held... naturally. We don't (Or at least we shouldn't) "grasp" our perception and force ourselves to see what's in front of us. We shouldn't force our emotions and take control of them. And as kids growing up we never forced our brains to learn, we (more or less) flew through infancy as our learning minds allowed us to walk, talk, and act. These are natural traits my fellow dreamers. What if I told you lucidity was natural? "WHAT?!?!!?" says the never-ending amount of dreamers who yet to hold (not grasp!) the wonders of lucidity. "But I've gone through countless amounts of tutorials, guides, and explanations to the lucid world. No way its natural. No way it comes with ease." says the annoyed lucid learner. Well then; Allow me to shed some light with a quote from my favorite novel, The Alchemist: "When you truly want something, the entire universe conspires in helping you to achieve it." If you are a spiritual believer, you would be attuned to he fact that all things are one. And so, the universe is a part of you. So the quote in translation is: When you truly want something, all of YOU conspires in helping you to achieve it. That means all of your tendencies, both conscious and unconscious, will work to together to help you reach lucidity. You have to WANT to be lucid. The mind will aid you with its extreme potential from there.

To Want: An attribute deep in human nature, is to want. We all know the feeling when we truly want something. Allow that feeling to arise within you so that you may begin your path on the way to lucidity. Obsess, fiend, and long for that moment of awareness within the bounds of the dream state. Feel this obsession with every fiber in your body; as if your poor starving soul has the tip of its tongue half a centimeter away from tasting an abundance of satisfying nourishment. Do you really WANT to lucid dream?

YOUR Attainment: You came here to learn. Gain knowledge on this mystical subject. Yes, I do find lucid dreaming mystical. Un-worldly. Of the Ether. Anyways, I don't oppose gaining knowledge to help you along this journey. BUT you shouldn't come here to be taught the actual act of falling into the dream state. This my friend, is your job. We are all so vastly different. Our dreams are different. Our neuron patterns are different. Our experiences, evolution, and involvement are all incredibly different. Of course we have multiple similarities. We're all human! And we all share an extremely common trait; Capability. You are with out a doubt capable of teaching yourself how to do something. You already know to be aware right? Its natural. You already know how to dream, right? It's natural. Believe in that. Those are your first two steps. Now teach your soul. Learn your soul. Feel with every fiber in your body the act of dreaming. Unveil the source of awareness within you. You already know how to lucid dream. At least more than you think know.

Teach, Dream, Create

Interesting post. I disagree with some things, but overall is a positive message for every lucid dream out there :) Especially the part where every one has to find their own way into lucidity, and it's entirely dependent on them.

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Originally Posted by zoth00

Interesting post. I disagree with some things, but overall is a positive message for every lucid dream out there :) Especially the part where every one has to find their own way into lucidity, and it's entirely dependent on them.

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Thanks you very much for the feedback! Doing it your own way really is the most fulfilling and least confusing way to go about attaining lucidity. This is just my interpretation of how to go about it :)

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Originally Posted by HeWhoCreates

So now, allow me to relieve the stress of... Attaining Lucidity

[B] Obsess, fiend, and long for that moment of awareness within the bounds of the dream state. Feel this obsession with every fiber in your body; as if your poor starving soul has the tip of its tongue half a centimeter away from tasting an abundance of satisfying nourishment. Do you really WANT to lucid dream?

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I like your post, and i find myself in many of your ideas. but to relieve the stress of attaining lucidity and obsess at the same time is quite dificult :cheeky:

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Originally Posted by VagalTone

I like your post, and i find myself in many of your ideas. but to relieve the stress of attaining lucidity and obsess at the same time is quite dificult :cheeky:

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True, both those statements do seem to counter each other now that I think about it lol. All though, obsessing doesn't have to involve stress. Truly wanting something with all your heart might even relieve stress in some circumstances. There's a sense of following your destiny when it comes to "obsessing" over a goal/dream. Obsess might of been the wrong word to use, I admit. A quote from the book The Alchemist says "True happiness comes from reaching towards your dream every day." (Not the exact quote, but it has the same theme). Obsessing over the right thing can bring happiness. Noticing that fact should relieve the stress brought along with it :)

So, HeWhoCreates, in a nutshell, what you are saying in your OP is that students of LD'ing must simply want to be self-aware in their dreams, and will happen? And if a dreamer has trouble getting lucid, well, that's his problem, period? Hmm.

Though, as Zoth pointed out already, your message is mostly positive (but not without some errors, for instance that LD'ing is natural, when it is just the opposite), I'm not sure if it is terribly informative or novel. Be assured that though invoking the Law of Attraction -- desire a thing strongly enough and it will be yours -- is a fine idea, it is by no means a new idea to these forums. Indeed, a basic tenet of successful LD'ing is a positive attitude and strong mental preparation, as most of the better tutorials here already point out. Most successful LD'er's here already have that built into their routines.

Thanks for sharing, but it would be real nice if you actually offered something new. Will there be more?

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Originally Posted by Sageous

So, HeWhoCreates, in a nutshell, what you are saying in your OP is that students of LD'ing must simply want to be self-aware in their dreams, and will happen? And if a dreamer has trouble getting lucid, well, that's his problem, period? Hmm.

Though, as Zoth pointed out already, your message is mostly positive (but not without some errors, for instance that LD'ing is natural, when it is just the opposite), I'm not sure if it is terribly informative or novel. Be assured that though invoking the Law of Attraction -- desire a thing strongly enough and it will be yours -- is a fine idea, it is by no means a new idea to these forums. Indeed, a basic tenet of successful LD'ing is a positive attitude and strong mental preparation, as most of the better tutorials here already point out. Most successful LD'er's here already have that built into their routines.

Thanks for sharing, but it would be real nice if you actually offered something new. Will there be more?

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Well a major theme through out the post was about (As stated in the title), unlocking lucid potential. It is not (for the most part) an informative guide, it is more of an inspirational push towards a very confident mind set about lucidity. Of course lucidity isn't literally natural, yet the belief that it is can really help a dreamer out. Based off experience, I've never become lucid without actually wanting and focusing on it with deep intent throughout my day. Of course this isn't the only way anyone will ever achieve lucidity. If someone isn't able to achieve lucid dreaming, it is in no way just there problem. I do believe that they have to make it their responsibility to work towards it, and not fully rely on the guides and internet tutorials. But as I said in the OP "I don't doubt the unlimited potential of what can be taught through sites that connect people across the planet to aspire to a common goal." These guides and tutorials posted across the internet have been used, and proven by multiple people. Which gives them major credibility and the potential for great aid in achieving lucidity. Aids. Thats all they should be. Crutches. Not actual exact guidelines. That's why the other major theme is about Your attainment.

As I explore this forum more, I have seen what you said is true. The whole "positive thinking/law of attraction" thing is quite prevalent in peoples explanations to efficient lucidity. I feel mine is from a fresher perspective. Yet I can see how redundant it can get. Your right! We need something new! A ground breaking idea! Something revolutionizing! Hell, we have a whole forum filled with bright minds and people with the lust to learn. We have to use this advantage and take the next steps in lucid dreaming! To answer your final question, I will definitely have more of my thoughts to come. I want to reach something greater with lucid dreaming (as I said in the last part of the first paragraph in my op). We all have the power to create whatever we want. Lucid dreaming has showed us that. I want to be part of the group that got to say, we helped CREATE the idea that changed lucid dreaming forever! Evolution is imminent in a dimension with infinite possibilities such as the dream state. Lets be apart of that evolution.

Thank you so much for pointing out the questionable things I have stated in this contradicting post. Even when I read it back I question what I wrote lol. But hey, what's better than a post that provokes thought and challenges others beliefs? :)

^^ Well said, thank you. I look forward now to your contributions here -- it seems to me you are definitely on the correct path.

For what it's worth, you might check out my Lucid Dreaming Fundamentals thread .. it's a little old at this point, but I think you'll find its placement of self-awareness, memory, and expectation far above the importance of techniques interesting. The thread's a little old, but I think its premise is sound, and you'll see that I too am much more interested in unlocking potential than in clever tricks and methods.

So good luck to you, I look forward to your future thoughts and contributions, and here's to changing the world!

:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Sageous

it's a little old at this point

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Old like wine :hug:

^^ You're a very good person, Zoth!

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Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Well said, thank you. I look forward now to your contributions here -- it seems to me you are definitely on the correct path.

For what it's worth, you might check out my thread .. it's a little old at this point, but I think you'll find its placement of self-awareness, memory, and expectation far above the importance of techniques interesting. The thread's a little old, but I think its premise is sound, and you'll see that I too am much more interested in unlocking potential than in clever tricks and methods.

So good luck to you, I look forward to your future thoughts and contributions, and here's to changing the world!

:cheers:

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I checked out your thread! It really shines light on your experience, and gave me a new respect towards you Sageous :)

^^ Thank you for the kind words and, far more important, for checking out the thread...

I don't know if it's just me, but I found it very heartwarming to see a thread slowly evolve and create a beautiful bond of mutual respect between brilliant minds. Cheers to all :)

And on that note I'll chime in to say I loved reading your post HeWhoCreates! I have to say I totally agree with you. If it is your heart's intent to do something, you will naturally gravitate into its manifestation. I think what you said about not "grasping" LDs is really important. It made me realize something extremely important that I'd never thought of so explicitly in regards to lucid dreaming: That we must dream with our hearts, not only our heads. Some shimmering silver flame deep within me knows this is the only way to this enticing "potential" to be unlocked.

A wise astrologer once told me, after reading my chart: "your destiny is with the unconscious mind."

What you posted reminded me of what is most important for my dreaming life. That my destiny, in the unconscious mind, is a deeply spiritual matter. And that I must always remember to dream from the heart.

I get really good vibes from this forum. I am grateful for even such a simple connection to these beautiful, dreaming souls.

:hugitout:

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Originally Posted by nightlighter

And on that note I'll chime in to say I loved reading your post HeWhoCreates! I have to say I totally agree with you. If it is your heart's intent to do something, you will naturally gravitate into its manifestation. I think what you said about not "grasping" LDs is really important. It made me realize something extremely important that I'd never thought of so explicitly in regards to lucid dreaming: That we must dream with our hearts, not only our heads. Some shimmering silver flame deep within me knows this is the only way to this enticing "potential" to be unlocked.

A wise astrologer once told me, after reading my chart: "your destiny is with the unconscious mind."

What you posted reminded me of what is most important for my dreaming life. That my destiny, in the unconscious mind, is a deeply spiritual matter. And that I must always remember to dream from the heart.

I get really good vibes from this forum. I am grateful for even such a simple connection to these beautiful, dreaming souls.

:hugitout:

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Your acknowledgment gives me confidence and I thank you for that. Dreaming with our hearts is a good way to look at it, if not better! I like that interpretation :thumbup:

Thank you for this. Loved it.
Brilliantly inspiring.