Thread: A New Lucidity Method (Alternative ADA)

Originally Posted by Zoth

Interesting theory, thanks for posting, enjoyed reading I do think there's some confusion with some stuff, like reality checks having to do anything with MILD. The deal is even though reality checks are encouraged to pretty much every method/technique, they're a exercise on their own. They don't substitute questioning (but the good thing is that many people have started to link one of the other, which is great!), and they don't make relevant significance to techniques like MILD. The reason you see them so much is because they are a simple concept that works, and it's easy to combine with any technique/approach. But many people only use reality checks inside a dream.



Those realizations come from something called prospective memory. It's the most important expression mentioned by LaBerge when he introduces the technique (MILD), but the high majority of people completely ignores it. Between a person that made 50 visualizations a day, plus 50 mantras, and one person with great prospective memory, it would be the second one with the best chances of having a DILD through MILD. This is because the mantras and the visualizations are there to help you developing your prospective memory regarding your intention of becoming lucid. Subliminal messages on the other hand, let's just say that they are a lot less effective than you'd think. Extensive research shows that while they might affect something...they don't produce significant results in creation of habits or decision making, etc etc. I recall a video of subliminal messages for lucid dreaming, but never heard people reporting that the simple visualization of it gave them lucids. But prospective memory oh boy...I'd suspect is in fact involved in practically almost every Lucid dreaming technique, even things like WILD. His effectiveness is also shown in lucid dreaming studies, putting MILD with quite a score on a review of many lucid dreaming techniques (none of the techniques analysed were proven to give regular lucids, but since the study was a meta-analysis...)



I agree with your theory, but wouldn't it be way more simple if you called things by their names and said "I question myself"? Just because simplicity makes things so much easier to "understand" (yes, at a deeper level). Again, it's your technique, but grasping the essence of it seems an improvement. Food for thought



As someone who reached a period in which my average day would include a reality check + questioning every 5 minutes (that's a bit under 200 per day), I'd say numbers don't make much change (because at a certain level, something more "permanent" shows up. That is, you're not talking about repetitive actions, more like a fluid state of mind, which I like to call awareness.). The reason is it doesn't matter if you make 50 or 200 reality checks: if you're doing them as a mechanical action, they count as nothing. It's easy to perform the action and it's "quite fast" (read: for the average creation of habit time) to integrate naturally, but when you talk about conscious and reflective reality checks, with the solid questioning, then you shouldn't worry about believing that you are dreaming. I do like your use for reality checks in this paragraph

Again, this is just my personal view, not some attempt to bring you over to the dark side, but it's always enjoyable to read this kind of threads and contribute to the discussion, even if we disagree ^^

Damn I love you Zoth. Your a very insightful guy! You really break apart the things I say and that shows you actually pay attention and have interest in what I have to say. People like you, make posting on this site fun since I have others to debate with and challenge my theories so thanks . The whole thing you said about prospective memory really interested me! Just knowing what it is gives a lot of explanation to attaining lucidity. I don't think I ever would of heard of it any time soon if you hadn't of brought it up!

What interested me most is when you said to call things by their names and say "I question myself". Could you explain more, I really want to understand what your getting at. I read that over at least 20 times and still can't understand what your trying to say ahhahah. Enlighten me

Also, to address the last thing you said about conscious reflective reality checks an solid questioning; I think the reason I resonate so well to my theory is because usually when I do the average reality check, I do it the "mechanical" way like you said. I'm not too good at doing it reflectively for some reason (maybe I haven't practiced it enough ), so my "cheat code" is to just tell myself I'm dreaming, which for some reason builds a strong feeling in me of becoming lucid. I can really understand and feel it when I say it. When I ask myself "Am I Dreaming?" it just doesn't have as strong a kick. It gives me something to ponder and not something I urgently feel. Hahah I can't really describe it but I feel like you understand my point