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    Thread: A New Lucidity Method (Alternative ADA)

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      Ok, having read all the replies in the thread:

      @Dalabudz; it's great you have an approach that works for you, as long as you are training your self-awareness, anything works.

      @linkzelda; your singular view of effort just doesn't stick given the example of natural lucid dreamers who expend little to no effort and are have nightly lucidity rates, see also oneironauts such as Hukif and Naiya who trained lucidity and now achieve similar results with very little effort. Also, I just disagree on the matter of affirmation specificity, both practically and efficacy, in fact I doubt the wording matters at all in comparison with the importance of prospective memory, awareness, intent, recall (a result of increased dream awareness, really). There are lucid dreamers who try less hard than you or I who achieve significantly higher results. It's the fundamentals of awareness and memory that ultimately matter. Dismissing people as 'lazy' seems to take a rather dim view of things (I'm massively lazy!)
      Oh, and behavioural psychology and conditioning, and hypnosis and the unconscious, isn't the be-all and end-all of human psychology. I'd recommend practising something other than hypnosis, which is a rather inefficient way of training self-awareness (based as it is on inducing a state of liminal awareness, compared to meditation, RCs and ADA that heighten awareness).

      People like Kingyoshi don't become lucid from randomly RCing in the dream based on a habit built in waking life, he has trained himself to be intimately aware of the different phenomena of waking and dream and how they feel. Contrary to MILD leading to a 'random' realisation without RCing, it is a testament to the strength of MILD in training awareness and memory. My best DILDs are when I know as soon as the dream begins that it is a dream, because it feels like a dream. At the very highest level of lucid dreaming RCing becomes largely unnecessary because the realisation is that full, stabilisation an afterthought because you are already pouring your attention into the dream. I do not believe that self-hypnosis teaches that kind of self-awareness (at least in my experience, I would be very interested in hearing more about how you use it).

      @Zoth; an important issue you raised there in prospective memory, one I have to confess I've neglected as one of the less glamorous aspects of lucid dreaming.
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