WILD = skill DILD =luck?

Excuse me for the possibly bizarre title. I have come up to this idea whilst watching a you tube channel called lucidology, which discusses OBE's and lucid dreams. In one of their videos, they state that the reason that causes many beginners to be unable to accomplish lucidity, is that they are taught to rely on randomly attaining lucidity through performing reality checks frequently . I understand that WILD can be more reliable, but I think it takes more effort and time then DILD. I also still can't perform WILD reliably. It's very hard for me to sleep again even doing the WBTB. My biggest problem is eye flickering. i can keep my whole body still for well over 30 minutes. but i can't control my eyes. Once they begin flickering it's done for, they just keep at it and there's nothing i can do to stop it. I think that's the reason I keep failing atWILD . Also is there any dreamer on here that has had many lucid dreams through DILD and reality checks. I mean i began reconsidering that the reality checks idea in whole is worth it and i would really appreciate reassurance. Thank you. :)

If you succeed once at lucid dreaming, that may be luck. If you succeed over and over again, then it is a skill. And it does not matter whether you do DILD or WILD, either one, you can become skilled at, and luck will not suffice. There is more to DILD then just doing random reality checks, and of course there are lots of people who are successful lucid dreamers using either DILD or WILD.

Yeah, that clears things up! Thank you.

Lucidology is known to be misleading, sorry about that. Whether DILD or WILD is best really varies from person to person, so if you find DILD to be better it's all good. :)
I personally think both DILD and WILD 'complete' each other in ways, so i use them together and so far i am having success. By the way, WILDing when going to sleep normally very rare to be successful, it's good that you have switched to WBTB. :zzz:
Also staying still is not a requirement, it only helps as long as you don't focus on it, you just need to fall asleep while being aware, i highly suggest to forget whatever that video told you and check out those tutorials:
http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...rial-here.html
WILD :peek:

You may get your first DILD just because you get excited from discovering LDing. But rest of them will be due to your practice.

Sure, you can't really predict when will you get your next DILD. But same is pretty much true for a WILD. Not every attempt ends in a LD. If you get really good at both, you will be getting them more consistently.

Both require practice. Not sure, why would someone look down on DILD. When you practice for DILD, all that will come in handy later, when you try for a WILD. Then it's up to the individual which one is more comfortable with or have time for.

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Originally Posted by Checker666

Also staying still is not a requirement, it only helps as long as you don't focus on it, you just need to fall asleep while being aware

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I'm not sure if I understand what that means. Do you mean that i shouldn't care that much about lying completely still, and that i should try to be more relaxed instead? This might sound silly but when I'm WILDing, I sometimes have the fear of moving a body part by accident. (accidentally grinding my teach, lifting my finger), and Iget extremely frustrated if that happens, because it completely ruins the WILD attempt. Right?

Nice to hear you're having success with both WILDs and DILDs, I wish i could do that too! :cheeky:
Also Big thanks for the links :D, very useful threads indeed.

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Originally Posted by gab

You may get your first DILD just because you get excited from discovering LDing.

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Yeah that's is exactly how my first LD happened!

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Originally Posted by gab

Sure, you can't really predict when will you get your next DILD. But same is pretty much true for a WILD. Not every attempt ends in a LD. If you get really good at both, you will be getting them more consistently.

Both require practice. Not sure, why would someone look down on DILD. When you practice for DILD, all that will come in handy later, when you try for a WILD. Then it's up to the individual which one is more comfortable with or have time for.

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Makes Perfect sense, that's all i really needed to know. That WILD and DILD can be used together, and that practicing one of them can never be a hindrance for doing the other. Thank you so much.:)

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Originally Posted by Silverlight

I'm not sure if I understand what that means. Do you mean that i shouldn't care that much about lying completely still, and that i should try to be more relaxed instead? This might sound silly but when I'm WILDing, I sometimes have the fear of moving a body part by accident. (accidentally grinding my teach, lifting my finger), and Iget extremely frustrated if that happens, because it completely ruins the WILD attempt. Right?

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What is more likely to ruin your attempt is when you get worried about moving, so that's all you focus on. You suppose to be as relaxed as when you going to sleep normally. You are not worried about moving then, right? And yet yu still fall asleep, even if you moved.

Things may go faster if you don't move. When you know that if you need you can move, you may not even need to move that much. But if you think you not allowed to move, everything will itch and be uncomfortable and all you can think about is your physical body.

So say to yourself "if I need to scratch, swallow, or move, I can do that". Then just relax and let your body go to sleep, while you keep your mind awake to the right point, when your mind needs to fall asleep as well.

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Originally Posted by gab

What is more likely to ruin your attempt is when you get worried about moving, so that's all you focus on. You suppose to be as relaxed as when you going to sleep normally. You are not worried about moving then, right? And yet yu still fall asleep, even if you moved.

Things may go faster if you don't move. When you know that if you need you can move, you may not even need to move that much. But if you think you not allowed to move, everything will itch and be uncomfortable and all you can think about is your physical body.

So say to yourself "if I need to scratch, swallow, or move, I can do that". Then just relax and let your body go to sleep, while you keep your mind awake to the right point, when your mind needs to fall asleep as well.

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Yes I guess you're right. Being absolutely strict about moving, makes WILD feel like a torture, and makes it impossible for me to feel relaxed. I think i should start to pay less attention to my body. I wish I could just imagine a nice dream scenery or so. The problem with that is my eyes start to flicker. I'm not used to daydreaming with my eyes closed, and just thinking about something makes my eyes want to open, and resisting this in turn causes flickering and makes it harder to relax for me. Also I'm not sure if consciously forcing myself to think about something nice is the right way to go. Anyway I'm reading these different threads on the forum atm and they're answering so many questions that were on my mind.:D Thank you for your support.

You don't have to visualize anything, if that causes you problems.

Have you tried repeating a mantra? It will keep your mind entertained so it doesn't fall asleep too soon and will keep other thoughts at bay.

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Originally Posted by gab

You don't have to visualize anything, if that causes you problems.

Have you tried repeating a mantra? It will keep your mind entertained so it doesn't fall asleep too soon and will keep other thoughts at bay.

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No i haven't. Will do ! :D

Also, remember that it's not easy to pinpoint the exact responsible agent for a lucid. Some lucids may start in a spontaneous way, but that's just because we aren't aware of possible factors that made us arrive at that "lucid" moment. The deal is that DILD is quite more complex than WILD, because there's several ways your brain can take to achieve lucidity.

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In one of their videos, they state that the reason that causes many beginners to be unable to accomplish lucidity, is that they are taught to rely on randomly attaining lucidity through performing reality checks frequently .

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If you do reality checks for several weeks, and nothing else, you will still get lucid dreams: that's for sure. A bit of skepticism when reading throughout all the sources that proclaim to be "expert" at lucid dreaming is always a good thing :)

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Originally Posted by Zoth

The deal is that DILD is quite more complex than WILD, because there's several ways your brain can take to achieve lucidity.

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Yeah, now that I think of it attempting to DILD can be just as interesting and fun, if not more, than attempting to WILD ! :D

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Originally Posted by Zoth

A bit of skepticism when reading throughout all the sources that proclaim to be "expert" at lucid dreaming is always a good thing :)

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Yeah, i guess you're right :)