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I just read How to Harness Your Sexual Energy and it makes a lot of sense. If one stops releasing sexual energy, you could transmute that energy in to maintaining awareness which in turn gives a lot of LDs. What do you guys think about this?
You could also use that energy to learn an instrument, a language, exercise, etc.
I can confirm this helps me, ever since I stopped jerkin' it I noticed I had MUCH more energy and motivation to do things, especially practicing my awareness.
Idk man, for me if I stop I get really distracted and lose focus, haven't in a week starting to lose it.
Well, masturbating at least once or twice a day is healthy, so I'd advise against stopping.
Furthermore, the Natives were driven to near-extinction because the Europeans were more advanced. I doubt it had much to do with sex.
But, I guess it does make some sense.
I find that it's easier to concentrate when I'm not whackin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by EmptyBucket
You may think it's healthy but it really isn't. We didn't evolve to sit in front of a screen watching you know what and jerking off.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimeDragon97
I'd recommend you try stopping for 2 weeks and see how you feel. I thought it would be total BS at first, but now I'm full of energy, I'm confident, much more social, etc.
Alright, but is this true for both men and women? Just curious... :P
This website has some pretty erm...let's say weird views:
Masturbation releases dopamine into the brain, it does not "drain vital energy" from you. Practically everyone masturbates, it's a common practice that serves to actually alleviate stress. Also, the text is sexist in a disgusting way:Quote:
This drains vital energy from you. You can see vast, positive changes in mood, personality and happiness by giving this up. Keeping your seed develops an animal magnetism that draws people to you, constantly spilling that seed repulses people.
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Get a good woman who will take care of all your needs (not just sexual) – this will free your mind from having to even think about these things and you can focus completely on your goal at hand.
Not to mention the lack of any scientific reports...sources are relevant in these types of things.Quote:
The decadent over-indulgence in sex is a one-way ticket to Failure village with a layover in Stagnation town . The smart men know this, the fools don’t and that’s why the lower classes behave like animals.
Why isn't it healthy?Quote:
You may think it's healthy but it really isn't. We didn't evolve to sit in front of a screen watching you know what and jerking off.
Masturbation, like Zoth said, helps relieve stress. In males, it is also healthy for the prostate (it reduces your risk of prostate cancer, IIRC). Sure, whacking off in front of a screen all day isn't healthy for multiple reasons, but a "release" once or twice a day is good for you.
Also, I agree with what Zoth said; the article does have a sexist and even racist undertone.
That site seems to be only against masturbation, not against sex in general. According to them, release with a woman is ok, but with masturbation it's not. Which doesn't make much sense to me. Everything in moderation, I would say.
If you deny yourself release, you may spend all your lucids looking for someone to have sex with. Nothing against that, but I wouldn't wanna spend all my lucids on that.
But hey, if it works for you, than good for you.
Oh well it's simple - to become great at anything all you need to do is be a married white man! Who knew? :banana:
If anyone is interested in the possible real benefits of abstaining, check out this thread. It deals with actual scientific reasoning, not this stupid racist bullshit.
I probably could have linked one without any mention to race but you get the point. I thought masturbation was super healthy at first too, but I'm just trying to say to cut it out for a week or two and see how much more energy you can have to devote to LDing.
Don't you feel sluggish after it? If it releases a lot of dopamine that means your brain has to make up for it by being slightly decreased in dopamine for a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimeDragon97
Also, you guys are completely missing the point of the thread. If you stop jerking you get horny (which is the point) so you can devote sexual energy in to awareness energy.
What? It releases dopamine into the brain, it doesn't get sprayed out through your ears xD Also, the only reason you feel tired/sluggish is because of those neurotransmitters being released into the brain. This happens whenever you achieve orgasm, and whether you're masturbating or having sex.Quote:
Don't you feel sluggish after it? If it releases a lot of dopamine that means your brain has to make up for it by being slightly decreased in dopamine for a bit.
Care to explain that? Not sure I understand your reasoning too well.Quote:
In fact, it can mean exactly the opposite.
Picture the thread that DarkMatters posted. It's not easy to go a long time without masturbation, so the increased "sexual tension" could indeed make the exercise of awareness a bit more difficult. Not granted, but it could interfere instead of help. The fact is that you're basing yourself in your experience of 2 days, and there are factors that might be influencing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by n00bf0rlyf3
i get what you're saying.
I guess we have to agree to disagree. 9 days in and I just had a double lucid last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoth
Hmm.. This sounds interesting. Wouldn't hurt to try.
Hmm. One thing I always have in mind: Never heard of someone on their death bed moaning because they had too much sex. Might be worth thinking about.
I have done this before and had great success.
About 2 years ago my girlfriend at the time, who I had been with for 5 years and was planning to marry, broke up with me. I was so depressed that sex and masturbaition didn't cross my mind for quite awhile. I went about 9 or 10 days without release before I even realized how long it had been. I also realized I had never gone that long before....or at least since I first started doing it anyways. I decided I was going to see how long I could last and experiment with it. Shorly after that I was searching online and found a forum where there was a whole community of guys who "abstain" from release to achive wet dreams, sexual energy, focus, testosterone ECT.
It was there that I learned about dream recall and lucid dreams. Some of them used LD's in combination with the abstaining, as a tool to achive wet dreams. During that time I had my first LD and I was more in touch with my dreams back then, more so than ever before or since. I had a lot of success and multiple LD's back then. Abstaining from sex and MB was extremely hard though and all my LD's that I controlled involved sex, so whoever made the point that all the LD's would be used on sex was right because that's all I ever thought about lol.
By the time it was over I went 48 days without a release and it ended with my first wet dream at the age of 26....messed up I know. Shortly after that I met someone else and gave up on abstaining and also abandoned working on LD's and recall until recently.
It was a big challenge though and a cool experience. I definietely had a LOT of focus to apply to dream stuff and enough left over for other things. I also had massive abouts of extra energy and required less sleep to do so.
Theory doesn't really matter. Just do it and get your own experience, but if there really isn't any corelation between the two then you can always hope for a placebo effect. :)
In my experience, not beating the bat for a few days will get me some vivid dreams and alot of sexual content.
Ehum...
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Back to the topic:
I'm particularly interested in this subject because I've been using sexual energy as an anchor to WILD.
How are you doing with it n00bfolyf3? Still going strong? Any new progress?
I am currently on day 17 of nofap. Some days I'm extremely horny some days I'm not horny at all. Yes I'm still going strong haha :P, what motivates me to LD so much now is the fact that I can have a sexual experience in them and since I haven't whacked it in 17 days it really motivates me to go after the experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleepyrhino
Haven't had any lucids in about 10 days, probably because I sleep in way too late and then I don't fall asleep until 2am so it's hard to keep up a mantra that long. But I noticed I am aware much, much, much more of everything and everything just seems much more beautiful. Dreams are also much more vivid.
I would definitely recommend this to anybody who is feeling unmotivated or is not doing to well with awareness.
How is that working out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypertrophy
It's been 17 days and I still have had no sex dreams, crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMind
im trying this again. its been maybe a day and a half and i just woke up from a dream where i was beside some girl and the sexual energy felt very real and triggered awareness to my body. it does help tons in WL too.
I want to chime in just to say: Yes, It works! And it works well when combined with previously established techniques (for me, WILD & DEILD)
Today marks day 30 for me (as a 24 year old, healthy male) refraining from any release, period. I intend to continue. The goal was un related to Lucid dreaming, (confidence, a heavy sac & agression being a few benefits) but unintended was the increased awareness as I dream. Usually now, I get lucid as I find myself in an extraordinarily sexual situation, which gets me lucid, which prompts me to continue enjoying myself or to take the LD in another direction.
Matter of fact, last night was a real blast (no pun intended). After the sexual component, I looked at my hands, looked up again, found myself on a rooftop and jumped.
Some scoff, but harness the sexual energy, it will help with much, including Lucid dreaming.
Godspeed
So it seems like all of us who have tried it for an extended period of time are agreeing that yes it does have noticable benifets in attaining lucidity and I can't speak for the others but I had better recall and better dream experiances in general too. I do understand why someone would be skeptical though.
I practice this myself, the Deer exercise is a good place to start.
I wonder if it works with hunger and thirst.
well i've done water fasts before, and although i didn't pay much attention to the dreams at that time, the awareness during the day is awesome, it's very clear and constant, more so than a sexual fast yields. i bet you would see a difference in your dreams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehat
To be honest there just isn't a whole lot of reliable scientific evidence to support that not masturbating or having sex will improve one's focus or ability to learn. It's seen as a pseudo-science by a lot of sources, and any noticed improvements are thought to just be the placebo effect.
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Originally Posted by TimeDragon97
Actually, timedragon, natives were killed in the majority by their lack of immunity to deadly European diseases. Historians say upwards of 95% of the population of the Americas was killed by disease following the arrival of the Europeans. This was caused mainly by small pox.
Guns Germs & Steel: Variables. Smallpox | PBS
Ah, of course! How could I have forgotten?
But, that only further proves my point; the Natives being nearly wiped out had nothing to do with sex.
Ah, thank you for bringing that up- There isn't a whole lot. But there is a bit. I think you would be able to find more if it wasn't a taboo topic. Most of the increased focus from abstinence has to do with using artificial stimuli for sexual release, and/or your mind becoming accustomed to the dopamine-producing effects of sexual release. With so many dopamine "hits" from masturbation or orgasm, many develop a tolerance. Cutting out the "hits" like any drug frequently can force sexual energy into other areas (for example: REM sleep & nocturnal emissions)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGritz
The psuedo science you reference are in fact collections of experimenters (albiet informal) who have taken the who very frequently go in thinking "There's no way this can work" and yet still notice effects.
The main original pioneer of this, the TED talk fellow (Gary Wilson in Glasgow) himself explains that this is not peer reviewed science, but that there are strong indicators that forgoing release (specifically using artificial stimuli) can be quite effective for focus in daily life (and for our purposes, lucid dreams)
Either way, whatever your position, the sexual energy you won't release in waking life tends to make an appearence in dreams. If you start to identify these sexual dreams as dream signs, you can in fact become lucid much more easily.
I for one, sleep much more "shallowly" since refraining 1 month ago. I've not changed any other variable in my life. I wake more frequently but I recall a fragment during nearly each awakening. Lucid dreaming hasn't been the focus, but I imagine these quick awakenings set me up for opportunities for a quick WILD
It's not pseudo science. Think about sperm & semen contains many vitamins, minerals, and energy (If you believe in things like chi). Go masturbate 20 times today and tell me how you feel afterward. The only reason one has much success in is because no one transmutes/channels the energy into other task so they just end up becoming horny and aggressive gorillas. For most people, Semen retention without breaks is just a complete waste of time and will get you no where.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGritz
I've been practicing the deer exercise I can't explain but it really turns the crude horniness into a relaxed sensual feeling. Eventually I'll get to the point where I can transfer the semen, shoot it up my spine, to the brain, and into the pineal gland for higher purposes!!!