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Seems like a very helpful method in learning to master the LDD. I guess we could also use this thread to discuss various techniques.. Would that be cool?
Thanks Jamal. Sure, some of the best practice I've got is from playing make believe as a child, so there are surely more ways to work on it. I tried to cover as much as I could in the tutorial, but if any good Ideas come up I am happy to update it.
This is very very interesting. It reminds me of something I used to do as a child (and still do), but to a waaaaaay more organized and productive extent. I don't like the idea of the dream world always being with me, but I can use this to increase my dream awareness, but only before bed and in the midnight wakings. I sleep when I sleep, and am awake when I am awake and I like to keep it that way.
Spoiler for childhood fantasies:
Thanks for the system you wrote out. It isn't for me, but is very interesting. Made me think a lot. :) good luck on your daytime adventures.
i dont get it, what is this? a technique?
Yeah, really interesting.. As a fresh lucid dreamer I had heard about lucid dreaming but wasn't quite sure of what it was. After doing a bit of research on the phenomenon and trying several techniques when free time, but most of it came from you're tested theories Finnegan... I just meshed into it but also discovered/realized that I had been doing this most of my life. But 80% of my day dreams came from night dreams, where I found out in the long run to be a part of my nostalgic past, by entrancing them through continues meditation and contemplation or deep thought... Anyway, I think children that read, have no limits to their imagination and that actively use that imagination find that lucid dreaming is natural.. At least for me it was, I feel fortunate that lucid dreaming discovered me as a child. I also think that those children that frequently daydream find lucid dreams within easy reach.
For me, the time it takes for an individual to learn and practice lucid dreaming depends on the individuals traits. While some people don’t need to learn the skill, others have to dedicate some of their time in learning the strategies that can enable them to acquire the skill and how to implement them. So I think this thread is pretty helpful for aspiring lucid dreamers. :)
BrandonBoss: Thank you, it is definitely a very flexible technique and can be used to develop regular lucid dreaming as well. The only reason I fully dive into it is because it is a powerful enabling tool for my art careers. Funnily enough it is based based on my childhood experiments with fantasy (I loved to play make-believe), and has since been extremely useful in my hobbies such as; Music, Drawing, Acting, Writing, ect...
TheAssassin56: Yes, It is a technique for a type of Lucid Dreaming that's rarely talked about, of course the technique is useful for regular LDing but I designed it for more. The concept is this; with proper practice it is possible to lucid dream regardless of REM cycles, and even at any point during the day. This Technique is something I use to practice this, as it can develop the thinking process involved in doing so. Eventually it can become automatic and it is possible at any point during the day.
Sidhe: Yes I discovered the idea of lucid dreaming in a similar way, when my friend Jamal described it to me a few years ago I realized I had already done it many times. You're right, dreams can often be influenced by our deep-seated memories, and can often bring nostalgic things to the surface of our mind. This technique I posted was set up to allow the practitioner to explore their own goals and wishes, because I think one's longings offer the involvement and drive required to activate the LDD. I also read a lot as a child and I'm sure that fed my fantasies and was one of many factors that led me to this technique. Thank you so much for your input :)
One more time. too many questions. sorry
does this work like just imagining things? or do i have to go sleep or something?
is this easy to do?
do i have to just practice visualizing to do this?
to sum it all up. i can't understand the method :?. can you tell me how i can do this, simply?
After reading through your wishbook entry, I feel like I haven't been going deep enough quite yet. One night I closed my eyes, and I heard music and vivid, psychedelic colors were spinning before my eyes, but the minute I tried to grasp it, it vanished. Every time I'm not an onlooker and try to act like it's an LD, it just disperses, leaving me with nothing.
Another problem I have with it is it requires so much focus for me. If someone so much as rustles paper on an LDD attempt, I get distracted and the image fades. In science class, I was trying LDD, and I got a very fuzzy image at first, but I persisted for another fifteen minutes. Suddenly, everything got much clearer, and I could feel that something in the air had changed, changed into the air of the dream world,and that now I was really there. Then the kid next to me turned the page in his textbook and it all just disappeared. That was pretty much the deepest I've ever gotten.
Anyway, enough of my problems, the tutorial is awesome, and now I have something to work for. :) Thanks.
Oh don't worry about it, it's better to get these things out of the way anyway.
It is a similar concept to imagining things, although It covers all the senses including sight. No you do not have to be asleep, some people think it's easier right before bed or during meditation, although I have been doing it while fully awake for years. It's a lot easier than it might sound, some people are naturals, and some need to practice, when I do it the fantasies can appear instantly at my wish. Practicing visualizing helps, but I don't limit myself to only vision, there is a wide variety of experience that can be emulated or edited, even created in the LDD. Anything that is possible with Lucid Dreaming can make it's way to the LDD. If you have any more questions feel free to ask
PostScript99 ; you're very welcome, I understand; although I'd had some freak success' with it during my life, when I first decided to begin developing it It was very difficult to create a stable image, let alone fantasize about myself doing dream magic and involving all the senses. But I spent a lot of time practising, and now I have a lot to show for the effort! So if you think this technique is for you, go for it! I know it works for me :)
Well, i still don't get how this works. i'm sitting on my chair as i'm writing this. i can practice it right now. but i don't know how. do i visualize myself doing something while keeping the senses with the picture? what will happen when i do this?
sorry about this but it's hard to understand.
TheAssassin56 :
For practicing I often suggest that people begin with things they would wish for (hence the WishBook), and become familiar with exactly what it is they want, until the idea is so clear that they can fantasize about it actually occuring. Of course it is not only limited to wishes, but they are often what we are driven to achieve and so it is easier to commit to describing them. When we are able describe something, we experience it in our minds, focus less on the words you use to describe and more on what the words refer to.
I recommend keeping a journal regarding your wishes because it is a way of keeping track of your progress of creating them, be specific in what you write, and that will make the fantasy clearer. Writing is a concise form of thought made into a physical record that can be re-read or given to other people who can assist you in the process.
Writing is not the only way to develop this ability, some other things I use are; reading, make-believe, visual art, music, acting (method/Improv), and magical Illusions.
the trick is to train your mind in all the skills required for regular dreaming, until even with distractions it is still possible to daydream at will. Normally this occurs when we space-out, or are in a calm state such as before sleep or during meditation, but it is possible with these practices to advance the ability to the point where we can access it at will and still be aware of our surroundings.
P.S. I've added this post to the tutorial because I realized it might help other people better understand what I am talking about.
Very interesting Finnegan! Thanks for PMing the guide.
Did you know that Einstein thought with vivid imagery and he used dreams to spark some of his revolutionary ideas?
Anyway I am doing the same kind of practise as you are describing, however with different terms for the states of consciousness and so on, and I have managed to become so focused on the visualization so I at some point just feel like I am there! But then I get so shocked that what I am experiencing feels real, so I snap back to my physical body. I will probably learn to mantain this in the future. I do this during the day, which is why this LDDing is so fascinating to me!
However I got one problem and that is that from time to time I fall asleep unconsciously while visualizing.
I know that one big reason is that I go to bed very late now because of other hobbies (party wohoo!) but I just wonder since you are more experienced.
I suppose that it is possible to vividly daydream and stay aware even though that one is tired, since you suggest to do it on bedtime as well.
But what would you suggest that I do to stay aware more often while visualizing? I fall asleep in uncomfortable postures as well, so what I need is some advice of how to focus my mind.
Thanks! :)
Thanks MasteMind!
Actually I was aware about that fact regarding Einstein but it didn't come to mind when I was looking for sources, I will definitely look for a quote of his regarding that and add it to the list. If anybody knows about any other well-known people who have used LDDing, especially if you have a quote, please tell me! I’m always looking for independent sources to support my research
I’m happy to hear you have been practising, it’s always exciting for me to know there are more people out there who are interested in this!
In regards to staying focused on the fantasy, it’s the same problem many people have with regular lucid dreams, so I would suggest using the same techniques often prescribed for dream stabilization. Stay calm, I know the first few times it can be surprising, but as you get more used to the LDD it will less alarming and you will be able to focus more on the experience. Try to immerse as many senses as possible; If you've seen the movie avatar I’d refer you to the scene where Jake first links to his avatar. The way he feels the dirt in between his toes, sees the nature of the alien world for the first time, every time I watch him eat that fruit I can literally taste it in my mind. These are the kinds of things that will get you focused on the LDD and allow you to surpass distractions.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with falling asleep while visualizing, it’s a great opportunity to WILD since you are already lucid and focused on dreaming.
A good way to LDD and stay aware is to do it while wide awake, I mentioned this in a reference I made in the tutorial; it is possible to insert the imagination over reality. So for example you can imagine a scene over a blank canvas and use it as a guide to copy as you paint. Another suggestion would be to try it while in meditation, which the same bonus as doing it before bed; your mind is clearer of distractions.
How real LDD images, sounds, feelings, etc are? Do the images appear as if they were real, right in front of you? Or they are like imagination images, but more vivid? If I LDD, does a character standing besides a real person appear like it's really there?
Aldar13- for me, yes, although unless you are a natural there is a learning curve. In the case of open eye visuals, for beginners it is often difficult to concentrate of both the inner and outer reality simultaneously, and so one or the other may fade if you concentrate to hard. Although with practice it is possible to see an LDD at the same quality as the "real", or even more vivid than you are used to your eyes showing -I speak from experience.
I tried LDD again after a long string of lucids. This time, I could see with exceptional clarity, but could also feel my physical body changing position despite the fact I wasn't moving a muscle.
Thanks PS, I love to hear about peoples progress! LDDing ability is very influenced by things like hobbies, interests passions, and desires, because continual thinking about them trains the mind to make use of previous knowledge at will. Thus it's a safe conclusion that LDDing is an extremely useful practice for the LDD; personally I've also noticed a great deal of correlation - as my LD count grows so does my LDD ability.
What you brought up is the issue of distinguishing; the brain isn't usually used to managing two bodies at once, so sometimes it can get confused. I have a somewhat opposite problem once in a while, when I'm trying to LDD on the go, sometimes my dream body will start mimicking my physical body - for example: I often practice shapeshifting, projecting the sensations of a self designed dream body in place of my physical. When I get distracted by something I snap back to reality, but I've since found a way to get past this.
When you catch yourself moving outside the dream by accident, try practising the same thing you did before, this time careful to choose where you put your intentions. It's a lot like stretching, the mind needs to be warmed up to be aware of the differences between dream and physical. Also you need to catch bad habits early, and this will help you shift into that dual awareness when you want to LDD.
Please let me know if you have any more questions or need me to elaborate on something.
Hello everyone.
From my introduction post:
Im 36 right now, so I haven't done this for 10 years. And I'm conscious that this was the consequence of missing some elements (love, true friendship...) in my real life.Quote:
And another thing, and this is more embarrassing to say but I think is important: I have been a daydreamer in hardcore mode since I was 11 and up to my late twenties, sometimes more, sometimes less: Every night, I visited a place in my imagination where I had friends, a girlfriend, an occupation, and all the elements I thought necessary to give the illusion some meaning, some sense of reality. Music helped me to make it more real to the feeling and It was best for me to do it with my eyes OPEN, rather than closed (I never understood that). The vividness of this thing was only boosted a little sometimes due to the music in my headphones, but it was still daydreaming, I mean, didn't felt as real as a real dream.
What do you think about the open eyes part? It really was easier for me with eyes open, does that make any sense?
The more close things I've experienced later on were related to sex: Being in a bus, very tired, Id start lingering between awake and sleep and I would find myself visualizing a sexual encounter with a "light" sex partner I had some time ago, felt very real up to the point of having an erection and being in awe how concentrated I was on the experience. But now is really difficult for me doing one thing or the other.
The time you spent visualizing also matters? I'm gonna try find a calm spot in the day to try it for as long as I can, see where this goes. I have faith in this.
Thanks.
Hmm, interesting. I've been doing something like this since as long as I can remember. I find it easier with my eyes opened, but I can also do it with my eyes closed. Though I don't have sense of touch developed in LDD (I haven't tried actually, will do next time), hearing and sight are amazing. I can't fall asleep while doing this, I get this "tingly" sense in my chest when doing it and it stays there as long as I LDD. So, how can I apply this to LD? I was thinking of implementing this when I try to WILD. Do you have any ideas?
Another user, Mylynes, wrote a tutorial on this, actually wrote one on visuals and another on tactile sensations, I think. But he explained how his ability would "go on autopilot" and sometimes create horrible beings around him which he would control by "drawing" something else on top of it in order to make those things disappear.
:makeitstop: Quite scary if your ask me :lol:
I've been able to do this for a very long time now, it's not just creating an image in your mind or thinking of a song you like. I realized how good I was when I involuntarily imagined myself falling down a dark stairwell and while I was on the ground in pain the day-dream seemed to keep itself going. Suddenly a white dissembodied face loomed out of the darkness coming towards me, it actually shocked me awake. Awake is a bad word cause I was never asleep, let's say I was aware of my current situation again.
The last three nights I've been doing it when going to bed.
The first night was amazing, the "autopilot" engaged in my experience, and I was listening to ramblings and explanations from daydream characters that I wasn't putting (at least consciously) in their mouths. The landscape changed a lot of times, lots of different situations and places, and then my kid woke up scared and I didn't go back.
The second night was shorter, at least what I remember, because I fell asleep quicker.
Last night was the worst. I couldn't concentrate because my head was all the time trying to review my day and got worried with a couple of issues of real life. I gave up. But definitely gonna try every night.
Another thing, the first two "days after" I woke up with sore calves, like I was walking around the night before or something else... They were hurting the whole day.
@dalecooper
You seem to be on the right track, I think the point at which you can say you're capable of LDD is when you have the power to actually scare yourself out of it... xD
LDman, when I said "my kid got scared", I meant it! That was not a metaphor or anything, I slept in the same bed with my son the last three nights, and the first one he woke up scared from a dream. :)
So, even though I know the feeling of getting scared from a thought, I have yet to experience in daydream.
Thanks.
Oh! Nevermind... xDQuote:
Originally Posted by dalecooper
But the thing you said about LDDing being easier with open eyes is also true for me, I never understood this either.
If I'm in a very deep Day dream then it doesn't even matter if my eyes are open because I'm not aware of the fact I'm stil looking around.
I prefer LD to LDD since LD is more realistic. But since I am doing LDD naturally (only on two ideas), any idea how to apply it to transition to LD?
That is exactly what I'm trying to figure out too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elaol
I'll experiment a bit and I will post it if I find a way to apply LDD to LD. Although I have an idea which might work, but I will first try it before I tell anything about it (I didn't have any LDs yet, so...). Please if you had any breakthrough, let me know :)
Oh I remember when I could do this.
LDD, I got chased by a Dinosuar before it was scary it was realistic.
When I was a kid!
Im hoping this can become a bridge for me to delta lucid dreaming. I've had past experiences at night when I would doze off when putting my kids to bed and woke up seconds later with a clear dream scene in my head (not daydreaming)
But the experience of having the autopilot engaged was the most curious thing for me, at least for now. I just want to make it last longer. If that's posible, this could really be dream "on demand", even as pointed out, when riding the bus or at any other boring real life situation.
Well, something to report.
Before anything, my concrete technique to daydream is to lay in bed, head up, arms to the sides, straight position. Then, being a Monroe follower, I say in my mind the Gateway Affirmation ("I am more than my physical body...") just in case. And then I start to imagine as vividly as possible my journey. I start in a place probably related to something I observed during the day, but the scenery is rapidly changing as my subconcious takes charge. The time for this is, right now, undetermined.
The night before I didn't even tried, I was too tired, so I went straight to sleep.
But yesterday I started as usual, only this time my subconcious took charge pretty quick, in about 2 minutes,started controling the scene and changing venues, the quickest reaction I've ever had. And after a while, I got lost, probably asleep. I don't remember anything more. (This was around 1:40 AM)
But then, a regular dream. It started as a regular dream, with more or less usual actions and situations, and later on it turned to a nightmare: I found myself escaping from what appeared to be "Homeless ninjas" that wanted to kill us or at least beat us a lot (Me and my sister).
My sister already turned into a brother I've never had (?) and I lost track of her, and I found myself lying in the dark, trying to evade those suckers kicking around like Bruce Lee. At some point I even saw scriptures overlayed on my vision field with "words of wisdom" those fighters would live by... (pretty bizarre)
As I had hidden in a corner completely dark, one of them kept throwing a boomerang (Kungfu + Boomerang???) at me in hopes of luring me out of the dark or hitting me. I was shitting bricks when it hit me: "This much terror? In real life? I bet this is a dream... But feels so real, it couldn't possibly be." Then I remembered the "wanting to wake up" neccesary sometimes to wake, and it didn't worked so fast, so I had time for another thought "So if this is not a dream, and sure not real life, what the fuck is this???"
And then I woke up (3:30 AM), but knowing what was, I kept myself frozen, didn't open my eyes, went over the dream (with several "acts") mentally, readying myself to write it down, and that's it!
FIRST LUCID TIME.
I hope it's not the last.