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I have a problem, is there anything that can help.? :(
I tried to lucid dream with technique fild
when I move my finger like playing the piano, I immediately had a dream ..
when I realized that I was dreaming, I immediately woke up ..
I tried it 3 times, and the results failed ..
when I do the reality check, nothing at all that would happen
anyone can give suggestions.? :morecrying:
Whenever it comes to finding the right technique to gain lucidity, especially when one starts for a few months, there are many things to take into consideration as to why you aren't able to have lucid dreams. It gets to the point where you have to learn how to relax and understand that assuming your mind will get everything just like that without making conditioned responses would be impractical.Quote:
Originally Posted by kirito007
You moved your fingers like playing a piano, like the FILD guide makes an analogy of, but the thing is, you have to do a bit more than just moving your fingers, especially since it seems you do have some difficulties. And you can't be so caught up with the amount of time you spent lucid dreaming or how many times you tried certain techniques and had different results with them. You can't freeze your progress by being consumed in the thought behind numbers, because you're only going to stay in a state of feeling depressed and having low self-esteem in your ability to just know self-improvement.
If you want someone's insight with numbers of dreams they recalled and how many were lucid, I recalled (since June 2011) at least 1,000+, AT least, and I have a dream journal system that tracks it at 910 dreams, but because those were mostly sets with at least 4-7 dreams on average, the 1,000 count is just a very vague estimate.
Out of those 1,000+ dreams I recalled just within 2011 up until now, I recalled about 50+ lucid dreams, and maybe a few semi-lucid dreams (but I end up labeling them as non-lucid). I've had my share of being frustrated, going in and out through hell and back just to get myself to have more lucid dreams. I made it a habit for myself to be more analytical in my dreams, because what I found is that through those 1,000+ dream recall counts, I can get a good idea of how I feel in dreaming life and waking life. So even though you had 2 months of attempts, there are some things you have to take into consideration.
- Am I doing my best to keep a consistent dream journal recall count?
- Am I considering being aware of my emotions and actions in my dreams and comparing them to waking life?
- Am I considering how dream characters/thought-forms/figments of my subconscious
- Am I doing my best to have a consistent sleep schedule?
- Am I doing my best to plan out times where I can sleep early or sleep more than usual?
There's more things you can do to question yourself, but whether you get advice from someone with 40 years of dreaming experience, or someone like me who has little experience since June of 2011, it really comes down to how you are able to get yourself to calm down and not be intimidated by your attempts. If you truly want to self-improve, you'll have to learn how to swallow your instant-gratification requirements of wanting a lucid dreaming. Just because you tried it 3 times doesn't automatically mean you're a failure.
These are my stats on what I accumulated personally
- I tried to do WILD attempts at least 50-100 times, and managed to get at least 11 attempts succeeded
- I tried to do DEILD attempts at least 20-30 times, and managed to get 5 attempts succeeded
- I managed to get 27 DILD attempts and at least 866 non-lucid dreams (and the 866 is because I didn't start splitting each dream for a specific entry on my personal dream journal), not my DV dream journal
I've had MILD attempts that worked, but were few as well just like the other methods I tried out, and it's common for anyone to be frustrated of not being able to get lucid by that amount, and there's people who recalled more dreams than I have. But those who look at the numbers and find ways to improve on them rather than being intimidated by them are the ones that can self-improve and work their way into achieving more lucidity.
Recalling dreams, becoming lucid, gaining control, etc. involves you learning how to master yourself, knowing how to realize you have control over yourself, and that you can talk your way into being calm. So if you find you yourself doing the FILD attempt, keep trying it, imagine yourself where you want to be, imagine how you'll feel when you get there, imagine the level of control and stability you'll have and work towards it.
That is really the only practical way to get any success with attaining lucidity, learning how to master your emotions and moderate them and being able to go back and forth and acknowledge what makes you have less lucid dreams and what generally makes you have more lucid dreams. It involves learning how to keep up with your dream journal as much as you can so that it's going to be easier for you to understand how your dreams typically work. And even with that, there's always more to yourself the more you start recalling your dreams, even if they don't seem to make sense at the time.
Never give up, and a mere 3 times is nothing honestly, and even with me attempting to have lucidity over a 768 days period (estimate from June 1st until now on July 9th, 2013), we're all going to have our frustrations every now and then, but keep at it. Keep experimenting, even if you have all the knowledge and information on how to do something, you must take the action now and as much as you can to apply them into practice.
It's all about conditioning yourself to become more aware of the dreaming world, your emotions, your ability to recall dreams, etc., and always aiming to just be more self-reflective of the process.
**Thread moved to Attaining Lucidity**
I wonder what kind of information in the lucid dream community that seems to make new people see lucid dreaming in a black and white kind of manner.
To lucid dream you can't just read a tutorial and follow the steps and expect to have frequent success with attaining lucidity.
I am going to use my favourite analogy of picking up girls because I used to be a hardcase newbie in that area too and I was thinking in the exact same ways as I did as a beginner of lucid dreaming. However I never made the connection, until this year and oboy I got result everywhere because I didn't only find the formula for result in lucid dreaming and pickingup girls, I found the formula of the success itself!
As a newbie I knew that the first step was to approach a person and actually dare to talk to one. So I tried to find the BEST way to approach a girl.
Read lots of theories and learned tons of pickup lines. I did this in the day and I got rejected 27 times in a row! But then on my 28:th and 29:th approach I got two numbers and on my 30:th approach I actually got a makeout. When I thought back I realized that the only reason to why I could accomplish something like that on the three last approaches was because I behaved differently. I had learned by my 27 rejections what worked and what didn't so in a big picture the theories and the pickup lines wasn't the reason to my success, but the lessons from my failures was. So the theories and techniques was just tools for me to learn.
Then later on I actually got a date with some girl I had cold approached, but I was nervous and anxious because I wanted to kiss her but I had no idea of how and I got into my head and thought that I hadn't been funny enough to kiss her (like that would matter...) fear makes you stupid.
I realized I was pretty much friendzoned so I just dropped the thought completely, but then the girl I was nervous to kiss suddenly just starts to makeout with lots of guys on the dancefloor. I was shocked! However by this time I was no longer focused on the result but on the journey and process of learning, so I didn't got mad or got butthurt over it, instead I just thought "huh.. so kissing isn't that big of a deal as I thought?".
Then I went out with some friends another night and that night I kissed a girl and had an amazing night. And then I realized that I would never dare to do that if I hadn't had that expeirence with the girl I went on a date with.
And now I approach girls naturally, talk naturally and kiss them naturally. And everytime I have an awesome night or result, I realize that the failures are like the pieces of that puzzle that is keeping it together. It's like building a puzzle where you can't see the whole picture yet, you just get one piece at the time and start to build it.
Every failure you have is a piece of the puzzle, and when you finish the puzzle you can look back and enjoy the failures you have had, because you realize that they were lessons.
Now you might wonder what this has to do with lucid dreaming. And well the process of failing and learning is exactly the same for lucid dreaming!
When I had finished my approach anxiety puzzle I realized that it was the exact same process of solving the recall problem puzzle.
But I guess you see where I am going with this.
There are no pickup lines or techniques that works! And there are no lucid dreaming mantras or techniques that will make you lucid.
They are just tools to help you change and learn and understand on your own.
So don't read a WILD technique and fully trust that it will work, instead just think "I'll do it and see what happens" and learn from whatever you are doing.
So don't think of it in terms of working or not working, but rather in terms of what can I learn by doing this?
There is a deeper meaning behind everything that you want to learn for example for pickup all a guy need is showing that he knows how to have fun and invite the girls to his fun. For lucid dreaming you need awareness and understand how it feels etc. For a newbie this isn't something you can just explain or snap your fingers and learn to do in a day or even a week. A newbie needs to go through the process to actually become that kind of person himself. Again the techniques doesn't work on their own, there is no pickup line that works on every single girl and there is no lucid dreaming technique that works every single night.
The ridiculous pickup lines and the cool lucid dreaming techniques only helps you to learn on your own.
You can't trick a girl to like you, you have to behave and be like the kind of person that has the qualities that makes girls like you. And the tools and techniques are just ways to make you understand how to become that person yourself. You can't push a button or trick your mind into becoming aware, you are consciousnes and are aware, the tools and techniques are just ways to make you understand how to direct that awareness yourself.
I have practised lucid dreaming for 5-6 years and pickup only 1 year of actively going out.
So it is easy for me to say just go ahead and fail bro and learn it's easy! Because I got the reference experience of how failures makes me learn and grow. All I am doing here is giving you the core element of successful thinking.
TL : DR
People that quit are short-term focused (I want a lucid dream now!), (I want a girl now!).
People that succeed FREQUENTLY are the people who are longterm focused and have gone through the journey and had many failures, and therefore have solved many puzzles (I want to learn!).
Focus on change and you will get result, focus on result and you will never change.
I hope that this weird analogy made sense.
And I wish you many failures and valuable lessons :meditate: