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I'm trying to get a WILD, but I have no idea how i'm suppose to think. Is it suppose to be like meditation, where you ignore all thoughts, or a blank mind, or what. I can keep my body still, but I don't feel the paralysis even after a hour. Am I allowed to talk to myself(in my head of course)?
If you don't feel sleep paralysis, I would suggest working on relaxing your body while you try to WILD, just focus on each muscle group individually, and feel them become more relaxed. Try to imagine a ball of energy in your mind, and whatever the globe of energy touches, it absorbs all energy from it, and makes it relaxed. And try to imagine it as vividly as possible.
Then try and keep your mind active...
Good luck.
whenever i try to do wild i end up feeling completely relaxed and then i start to see these waves of color in front of me until they form images but i cant ever stay active or awake while my body falls asleep and then i end up going unconcious and sleeping
are there any good ways to keep the mind active while not going to sleep, i've tried counting and repeating different phrases but i always end up sleeping
If you keep falling asleep I suggest you practice visualizing things during waking hours. Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming, by Jim LaBerg, suggests staring at a candle, then closing your eyes, and recreating it in your mind, and hold a clear image of the candle in your mind, if the image is unclear, or starts to fade, then open your eyes and stare at the flame a bit more.
There are many other techniques, not just this one, but the point is, work on your visualization skills to keep from losing conciousness.
Cheers
P.S. When are you trying to WILD, Dark_Oneironaut?
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Originally posted by Dark_Oneironaut
whenever i try to do wild i end up feeling completely relaxed and then i start to see these waves of color in front of me until they form images but i cant ever stay active or awake while my body falls asleep and then i end up going unconcious and sleeping
are there any good ways to keep the mind active while not going to sleep, i've tried counting and repeating different phrases but i always end up sleeping
SAME thing happens to me.
trex, whos jim laberg
during a wild, i can feel myself kind of tens. so i consciously relax my arms and neck but then 3 seconds later they are all active again. i guess i just cant relax. i feel like im relaxed but not as disconnected as when i make myself do it. i have yet to induce SP from a WILD, even after an hour
Jim LaBerg is one of the leading authors on Lucid Dreaming, and has several books out on the subject. If you need a comprehensive guide to everything involved with lucid dreaming, then his book that I mentioned earlier is great...
Concerning the last post. . .
First of all, WILDing is very difficult, more or less the most difficult way to lucid dream, if you are not yet having regular dream initiated lucid dreams, I would not suggest trying WILD, but if you still feel inclined, have you tried practicing meditation during the day? Like just sitting with soft music playing, and close you eyes, and relax, and clear your mind for an hour or so? But like I said, it depends on when you try to WILD as well. Are you trying during the day? Before you go to bed? or after you wake up?
i have an E book version of exploring the world of lucid dreams but im pretty sure his name is STEPHEN laberge. :lol:
anyway, i try wild at night and mornings. know meditation works. after meditating on my dream signs for a week, i started noticing them. but im too lazy now :(
Right right, Steven Laberge, my mistake, but yeah, see, lazy won't get you WILDing. It takes alot of hard work and dedication... Aka, not for beginners.
Well I just tried to WILD have done it a few times but crazy stuff happens can you say time loss? I was lying down teh time was 3:37 I laid there completely blank mind body was gone except for hands had them laying across my chest i was so relaxed felt like my hands were in my chest holding my heart. And i could feel my heart beat very good i was looking at the back of my eyelids i opened my eyes and looked at the clock boom 4:23 where did the time go?
You probably fell asleep without realizing it.
I always tried to visualize something in front of me whenever i see those waves of colors in front of me. Sometimes i dont even get an image in front of me and then other times it feels as if my room is being formed in front of me be kinda in the way where it fades in then out.
i think i saw some faces form in the blackness. i tried to engage them and sometimes it would feel like wild is coming, but then not.
JayDawg, Is there anyway to post a link to that e-book. I've been trying to find it without much luck. It sounds like something I'd really like to read. Thanx. Catch ya on the flip side
About the paralysis, I don't get it either. I think.
I just feel very relaxed and heavy, but can still move fine even though it seems to take a lot more effort than normal. I was wondering whether that maybe is the state referred to as sleep paralysis and I just didn't realize...
Woah! An hour? :oQuote:
I would not suggest trying WILD, but if you still feel inclined, have you tried practicing meditation during the day? Like just sitting with soft music playing, and close you eyes, and relax, and clear your mind for an hour or so?[/b]
I guess I have to practive more... I can barely take that fifteen minutes...
WILDs are the only LD I can get so far. Things I have noticed:
They're way more likely to occur when I feel really really sleepy, when my eyes shut "on their own", most of the time in afternoon naps after a night of only a few hours of sleep. On REM-rebounds that is. (Alcohol intake the night before makes WILDs even more likely.)
I don't focus on anything except on the blackness in front of me. I've found that focusing on my retinal images, even with my eyes closed, makes it easier to become aware of the hypnagogic imagery when they arrive. Then I just let the hypnagogic images guide me the rest of the way: observing the first short sceneries and then thinking about them, observing as they gain in length and complexity, always "waking up" in between them. Soon I find myself in a dream.
But the main point would be: afternoon or morning nap after having been awake for some time (and preferentially after a night of drinking and/or lack of sleep :wink: )
There are 2 stages of WILD: laying in bed while waiting for onset and actually experiencing the onset.
While waiting for WILD to start, you may move slightly and all you have to do is remain awake and aware. Pretty much do that until you feel unusual sensations taking over your body.
WILD technique primarily utilizes your body's natural sleep mechanism. There's very little you can do to make yourself fall asleep earlier while remaining awake (not many ppl can fall asleep at will). Laying in bed may be very frustrating, so patience is the key to success.
Now, if you are experiencing the WILD onset, things are very different: I tend to ignore all bodily sensations and focus my mind of just a few things - intention to remain aware and the intention to perform a RC regardless of the outcome. These are the bare basics required to enter a WILD.
As you will advance, you'll notice that WILDs come in series or "chains" - basically if you experience one WILD and for whatever reason failed, you may expect another one to come right after the first.
Important thing to remember is that *anything* may happen during a WILD onset. You may hear voices, float/fall from your bed, you may see with your closed eyes, find yourself in some unknown location or experience bodily hallucinations. Most of these things are quite disorienting and sometimes unpleasant. Thus I find it beneficial to ignore them and just know that all of it is a very brief hallucination.
wow ev, nice points. are u saying its basically possible to be entering a wild and suddonly sink down into hell (in your head) in sheer horror? not likely tho righrt ha?
have u experienced any buzzing or like a ringing sound as you begin to enter your dream body? this happened to me lastnight after about 10 minutes of trying wild .....yes while being high as fuuuuuuu@K. first time wild has started to work for me in a long while, and yes i know why :mrgreen:
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wow ev, nice points. are u saying its basically possible to be entering a wild and suddonly sink down into hell (in your head) in sheer horror? not likely tho righrt ha? [/b]
As for ev wow i finnaly am getting teh grasp of this wild thingy thanks much for your help ^_^