Vividness/ Clarity Affirmations not working?

I became lucid in a pretty recent dream and there wasn't much going on, I was with some woman in a rainy Harlem-like alley, as soon as I became lucid i thought of things to do based on my research of lucid dreams and as always my lucid state is not very clear/hd. It was like a foggy/fuzzy un-clarity and i remembered that if you command "Clarity Now!" it will become vivid and intense. So as I yelled it, like any other affirmation that usually immediately works i noticed that nothing got more clear, it was still hard to see what was going on. I yelled it again with the expectation of some clarity increase but nothing happened and it was still not very vivid. I also noticed something very peculiar with vivid dreams in relation to the movie "inception", In the movie when someone changes something in someone else's mind their subconscious responds by slightly collapsing the dream based on how much is changed. In my dream, whenever I manifest something or create the dream kind of "collapses" a little bit and becomes less apparent/vivid. The more I stay in the "zone" and not do anything the more real it gets, but as soon as something is changed it fades away. I'm not very experienced with lucid dreams but I've had my fair share (4-5). So how do you make it so the dream does not fade away and get into this chaotic interference of perception? and how do you change a lot while keeping lucid? and finally, how do you make everything more realistic, vivid, hd?

PS. Maybe it didn't become more clear because i didn't have a clear expectation of what "clear" is like?

I personally feel shouting things like "clarity now" is very silly and not likely to work. I am not sure who came up with that, but I hear it alot.

Often a dream is fuzzy, dark, or you can't move well because of the phase of sleep you are in. Not all LDs happening REM and even within REM there are various types. The only thing a beginner can do in this case is 'stabilization' which may allow you to stick it out long enough for the sleep phase to shift. After much experience you can have an effect on the shifting (prolonging or inducing REM).

The reason your dream starts to collapse when you change things has to do with processing speed and power. Look at the LDing brain as a virtual reality computer. It is easy enough to render a simple picture in which no change happens. As changes take place the system is taxed more. If it changes faster than the brain can keep up with it shuts down. The answer? Practice and visualization training in waking life. No quick answer.

How to make it more vivid? Awareness training during waking life. You must develop your brains ability to take in huge amounts of input, by truely experiencing your life. This allows increased definition and more varity in the sensory data rendered.

If you are interested in how to train these things in waking life, please check out the link in my sig.

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by sivason

I personally feel shouting things like "clarity now" is very silly and not likely to work. I am not sure who came up with that, but I hear it alot.

Often a dream is fuzzy, dark, or you can't move well because of the phase of sleep you are in. Not all LDs happening REM and even within REM there are various types. The only thing a beginner can do in this case is 'stabilization' which may allow you to stick it out long enough for the sleep phase to shift. After much experience you can have an effect on the shifting (prolonging or inducing REM).

The reason your dream starts to collapse when you change things has to do with processing speed and power. Look at the LDing brain as a virtual reality computer. It is easy enough to render a simple picture in which no change happens. As changes take place the system is taxed more. If it changes faster than the brain can keep up with it shuts down. The answer? Practice and visualization training in waking life. No quick answer.

How to make it more vivid? Awareness training during waking life. You must develop your brains ability to take in huge amounts of input, by truely experiencing your life. This allows increased definition and more varity in the sensory data rendered.

If you are interested in how to train these things in waking life, please check out the link in my sig.

Good luck!

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Thanks, this is starting to make sense, I don't really know who came up with yelling that affirmation either. I'm just confused at how my dreams sometimes can be so mindbogglingly realistic and vivid, but when i take control they lose their quality for some reason, as if I were waking up slowly.

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Originally Posted by sivason

I personally feel shouting things like "clarity now" is very silly and not likely to work. I am not sure who came up with that, but I hear it alot.

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Originally Posted by blizzardesigns

I don't really know who came up with yelling that affirmation either.

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If memory serves, it was advocated by Robert Buhlmann in his first book on OBE's (incidentally, a highly stimulating read, as far as I am concerned).

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Originally Posted by Voldmer

If memory serves, it was advocated by Robert Buhlmann in his first book on OBE's (incidentally, a highly stimulating read, as far as I am concerned).

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I think i have figured out the idea behind it all, It's basically your expectations filtered through what you believe at the moment. If you yell something like that with no expectation of it doing what it says nothing will happen, however if you yell it with synchronization to it's idea it will manifest. Even without yelling, that clear intent and expectation is what attracts creation. I don't know if i explained it exactly how It is but thats how I see it.