All desperate ones, try this easy trick!

Hello!

Me and my girlfriend started to practice lucid dreaming something like 3 months ago. I got my first ld, and ones after it fairly easy and quickly but she on the other hand, despite the fact that she tried harder then me, never got a lucid till tonight. Except for this one occasion i didn't have a chance to futher test my theory, but as for now it worked 100% :D I came to a conclusion that it should be easy to attain lucidity if you could associate it with a strong emotion, becouse strong emotions that we had during the day are often reflected during dreaming. So as she was laying in bed ready to go to sleep, i went out of the room and seconds after i entered the room violently and loudly scaring the .... out of her screaming "it's a dream!", and even thought she was very scared she understood what it was for and did RT, even thought she wasn't doing it all day. So this night after she saw a zombie elder women :D, she did RT and became lucid. Her lucidity in this dream was like 6/10 but it was very long even thought it was her first :) So i think if you have someone to try it out with and he or she is good at scaring, you should give it a try. I think it's very important to get VERY scared and it should happen not long before sleep, and of course person scaring you has to scream "it's a dream" and it woulkd be good if you did RT. If anyone finds it helpful, let me know, good luck and don't try this with a weak heart, don't wanna have a heart attack :D

So essentially you are saying to scare someone during the day, in the hopes that they will be lucid during the night? Maybe next time you can run in screaming "FIRE" or "OH MY GOD A MAN WITH A GUN." These are probably better ways to terrify someone that simply saying it's a dream.

This is a really interesting idea, I think it's not just emotion but any significant day event is what we normally dream about.

Maybe before going to sleep think of the current most significant event of the day and use that as a mnemonic link to dreaming? Essentially you're trying to predict what you'll dream about.

I detest all pranks and situations where people are purposefuly shocked or frightened. It is IMO never even "for their own good," and it is absolutely never "funny" or "harmless."

I think i have been somehow misunderstood, but that may be becouse i'm not a native english speaker. I wasn't trying to scare her with saying it's a dream, but a second after i did scare her i'm saying it's a dream to associate a strong emotion with the fact of acknowledging it's a dream. It also may be like Memm said, it is a significant day event that later will be indirectly dreamt of but already tied to the idea of dreaming.

It's not necessarily a significant event that happened, but the emotion behind it. Strong emotions felt during the day sometimes do manifest themselves during dreams. Unfortunately, it's negative emotions like fear that tend to have the most effect on us. I guess this method could work for some people once or twice if they're really desperate, but fear is not something to invoke repeatedly, purposefully, it's unhealthy from many points of view. It's not reliable either, a person might get scared the first time, and maybe the second, but it's unlikely to happen from then onwards.

Yes i agree with you mimihigurashi, but as i said it's a method for desperate, and not a method to use on a regular basis. As i said before i am ld'ing fairly easily but, seeing the example of my girlfriend or some people that post here it's not that easy for everyone, and after a long while, when you keep putting up a lot of work to get an LD, and you still don't have it, you may need this small success to keep yourself going. It must be very hard to get motivated after you spent lot of time trying, but still don't even know what LD feels like.

Strong emotions can indeed manifest in our dreams. But we never realy know what will our subconscious take as a strong emotion.

I have tried it many times. Watching a movie and seeing some beautiful scene or something that I react to strongly and the thought of "this will be in my dreams for sure" crosses my mind. But it almost never does. On the other hand, I very often recognize situations in my dreams as something that was inspired by something from day before. That's when I think "oh really, this is what my subC finds good enough to show me in my dream?". It can be something really insignificant. But insignificant maybe only on the surface. My subC obviously takes things differently than I do conciously.

Happy emotions is what I would recommend as something to associate with RCs. Recall that happy or exciting feeling you felt in your stomach when you heard some good news, or when you suddenly remembered it's Christmas morning, or anything that you can recall. Use that everytime you RC.

I can not agree with associating negative feelings with lucid dreaming. And I very strongly disagree with scaring someone for whatever purpose. I understand, that your goal is not to harm the person you are scaring, and that your intent is a good one. But no matter how you intend it, it will be very unpleasant to the receiving person. Just think of the horror and terror your friend will feel when you rush into the room telling him there are gunman there ready to kill them. Especially since we see that happen on TV practically daily and we all know it is a real possibility for any of us. If i didnt die from heart attack, first thing I would do is kick my "friends" ass and not call him a friend any more.

I agree with pretty much everyone here, LLucido; this is not a good idea. Though your theory is probably sound, the practice of terrorizing someone just to raise an emotion to associate with a RC seems to be overkill defined. Also, unless you're interested in torturing your subject, it is truly a desperate move that could only be used once or twice. Also, scaring people right before bedtime is a fine way to induce nightmares; becoming lucid from such unpleasantness doesn't seem a fair trade to me.

On top of all that, there is also an excellent chance that your success was coincidental, or the true emotion at play here was based more in your girlfriend's interest in becoming lucid than in your attempt to scare her.

And on top of all that, yes, one-time success does equal 100%, but not really: to prove something is effective you need to repeat it successfully many times, and I highly recommend that you do not go there.

tl;dr: this approach might be theoretically sound, but it is likely not a good idea.

I just love the words you use and how you exaggerate, the fact of a little scare. I may have just forgotten to mention that my "terrorized" (lol) girlfriend had a very pleasant LD :D And my girlfriend's interest didn't help for 3 months, so there's a pretty high chance that what i mentioned before was a factor ;) And as everyone says it may work one or two times, i remind again, it wasn't suppose to work more. I think everyone approached this one, or two time trick for desperate ( as it says in the title ), like i would try to promote it as a whole new way of living ;) Still i really like the fact that it produced some healthy discussion

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Originally Posted by LLucido

I just love the words you use and how you exaggerate, the fact of a little scare.

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Most pranksters (abusers) usually describe their antics as "harmless." One such moron on another forum thought it would be a hilarious idea to prank an old acquaintance into thinking she may actually be in a coma. She apparently had a tenuous grasp on her reality, and spent the entire night freaking out, and the next day she confronted the guy, he repeated his stupid prank, and she ended up fainting and being taken to the hospital. Hilarious! A little scare! At least in the end he admitted that he "messed up." And there were "aw it was just a harmless prank" comments written about it.

People can die instantly from sudden shock. Just don't do it.

I think you had a very good idea LLucido ! i have thought about this myself...not in the sense of scaring someone, but by deliberately inducing in myself a state of doubt, even mild fear or anxiety, to create the association between unpleasant events and RCs.

The point is: you can induce it yourself too ! And while i don´t think it´s good idea to terrify someone, still one can do some spontaneous weird impromptu with a positive intention

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Originally Posted by VagalTone

I think you had a very good idea LLucido ! i have thought about this myself...not in the sense of scaring someone, but by deliberately inducing in myself a state of doubt, even mild fear or anxiety, to create the association between unpleasant events and RCs.

The point is: you can induce it yourself too ! And while i don´t think it´s good idea to terrify someone, still one can do some spontaneous weird impromptu with a positive intention

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Absolutely -- say odd things to each other like "well, it's about time to eat the tennis racket." If you both do it, it can place you both in the right state of mind of constantly questioning your state while awake, which is the foundation of great lucid dreaming.

FryingMan you must have a really bad history with pranksters becouse you keep mentioning them, but still i don't get what does it have to do with what i am talking about. Scaring your girlfriend/brother/roomate or whoever with a little boo if they want it to happen has nothing to do with pranking.
As for what you are saying VagalTone i think your heading to a direction of method for more frequent use, and the idea of being able to do it by yourself would make it much more convenient. I think that negative emotions in dreams and maybe in real life may be more intense, so maybe it's possible to create more direct connection between them and RC's. The fact that natural's often learn to be lucid becouse of the nightmares they have as a children, may have something to do with it, and negative emotions whether you want it or not, will pop up in your dreams in one way or another.

No, I've just grown out of the extremely selfish "harmless little scare/prank/boo" mentality. Probably after about 8 years old. I've watched videos from time to time of common "harmless pranks" and observe the people pulling them off seem uniformly cruel and lack empathy. Pranking is a word that encompasses scaring, etc.

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Originally Posted by FryingMan

No, I've just grown out of the extremely selfish "harmless little scare/prank/boo" mentality. Probably after about 8 years old. I've watched videos from time to time of common "harmless pranks" and observe the people pulling them off seem uniformly cruel and lack empathy. Pranking is a word that encompasses scaring, etc.

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You still don't see the difference of scaring someone with their permission and without it, oh well...

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Originally Posted by FryingMan

Absolutely -- say odd things to each other like "well, it's about time to eat the tennis racket." If you both do it, it can place you both in the right state of mind of constantly questioning your state while awake, which is the foundation of great lucid dreaming.

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I like that idea :) to make or imagine odd things happen on purpose - and RC right there !

fear is power in reverse. the great reverse reversal is what someone said is what we should to to open gateways :) Good luck m8!

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Originally Posted by LLucido

You still don't see the difference of scaring someone with their permission and without it, oh well...

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You two do however you like, if you have mutual permission for doing so, well, enjoy. I'm writing for the rest of the readers in the hope of preventing a "great idea" of scaring someone who's not expecting it, which can result in very real harm.

Thanks LLucido, it is a little extreme but you did say for all the desperate ones. Not sure how easy it would be to apply for everyone, it may fall into the to hard basket. But can see by activating a sort of fight or "flight" response would focus and lock attention in the mind and if that fear or unease lingered unresolved and is arousing enough to that person's mind it should be dreamed to release resources in the neocortex.
If anchored well with RC's it's possible but seems more of a hard trick than an easy one to me personally but would never say it couldn't work if you got the mix right. :evil:

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Originally Posted by FryingMan

You two do however you like, if you have mutual permission for doing so, well, enjoy. I'm writing for the rest of the readers in the hope of preventing a "great idea" of scaring someone who's not expecting it, which can result in very real harm.

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Wow you are really enthusiastic about not having pranks. Sure, it is usually an ass thing to do but to say that these can cause "very real harm" is an exaggeration. Ya, maybe the person will have a heart attack when you scare them, but if you punch your friend in the stomach they might also die from internal bleeding, and if you are driving with someone else in the car they might die from you crashing, and if you are running you might hit someone and they could die, and if you throw a baseball it could break someone's skull and kill them, and if you make an offensive joke it might cause someone serious trauma because they are hypersensitive, and if you yell something someone might panic and hurt themselves, and if you make fun of someone in a joking way they might take it seriously and commit suicide, and if you are knocking on someone's door they might think you are a criminal and freak out, and....
What I am saying here is that pretty much everything you do could have potentially lethal or permanent repercussions but that is no reason not to do them. Unless you want to be some robot. Again, I agree with you in that it is really uncool to seriously scare someone, but in my prank-filled childhood not once was someone harmed from getting scared.

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So now i come to a conclusion that it may produce a more longer lasting effect then i initially thought. Firstly i have to say, that scary things happend in my girlfriend's dreams from time to time, but it never lead to RC. Tonight it was first time after her last LD ( fueled by seeing a scary person ), that she saw something scary in a dream, (again some kind of zombie like thing ) and immediately after that, she did RC, and got lucid. Before her first lucid she did lots of RC's during the day, but some time before it, she went much more easy on it becouse of being frustrated about no results. So now my point is, that the trick that we used may have created a very strong connection between fear, RC, and the idea that she's dreaming, and i just wonder how long lasting it will be.

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Originally Posted by Avian

Wow you are really enthusiastic about not having pranks. Sure, it is usually an ass thing to do but to say that these can cause "very real harm" is an exaggeration. Ya, maybe the person will have a heart attack when you scare them, but if you punch your friend in the stomach they might also die from internal bleeding, and if you are driving with someone else in the car they might die from you crashing, and if you are running you might hit someone and they could die, and if you throw a baseball it could break someone's skull and kill them, and if you make an offensive joke it might cause someone serious trauma because they are hypersensitive, and if you yell something someone might panic and hurt themselves, and if you make fun of someone in a joking way they might take it seriously and commit suicide, and if you are knocking on someone's door they might think you are a criminal and freak out, and....
What I am saying here is that pretty much everything you do could have potentially lethal or permanent repercussions but that is no reason not to do them. Unless you want to be some robot. Again, I agree with you in that it is really uncool to seriously scare someone, but in my prank-filled childhood not once was someone harmed from getting scared.

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Pranks are completely unnecessary, usually based (as someone else said) upon a need to assert power over someone else. Riding in a car, throwing a ball all have a primary purpose other than taking sadistic enjoyment from causing needless pain/shock to another and so are poor examples. Yes, you're right you SHOULDN'T punch someone in the stomach.

This is the sort of rationalization used to support bad behavior. "There are any number of ways in which someone could be injured, so why not do <something that could cause harm>?" which is a juvenile sort of reasoning.

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Originally Posted by Avian

and if you are driving with someone else in the car they might die from you crashing, and if you are running you might hit someone and they could die, and if you throw a baseball it could break someone's skull and kill them

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Are you kidding me? Those are ACCIDENTS, you don't justify purposefully hurting someone with the fact that accidents can happen while doing common, daily things.

Not to derail the thread, but it goes with the strong emotions.

Why not have it be good emotions or neutral emotions rather than bad ones? I can think of ways that I have seen this work on DV, and have applied it to myself, but I think that it would probably be best if done by a lover. ;)

A GOOD WAY TO SPREAD LDING
I just thought of this. Good emotions means that you remember things better (not just in dreams, but in waking as well). We should go around confessing our love to random people on the street and then tell them about DV. lol. Or just tell them that it is a dream afterwards. If they ever see you again, be like "What? That must have been a dream."

In all honesty though, why don't we go around telling people to check if they are dreaming? Cashier, annoying guy driving down the street, people you pass by, and get some shirts that say "Are you Dreaming?"

Also, as far as pranks go, I only do one, and that is to sneak up behind someone and wait until they notice me. Not really like a "jump out and scare you", but a "How the freaking long has he been here?!" I also do the same when people are walking. Walk in sync with them until you are right next to them. works really good if they are on a road all alone. This type of thing isn't going to scare someone or anything, but it will "surprise' them, happily if they like you. :P

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Originally Posted by LLucido

UPDATE:... So now my point is, that the trick that we used may have created a very strong connection between fear, RC, and the idea that she's dreaming...

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LLucido, when I read the first post, I was like FryingMan: No way! You should never scare someone under any circumstances - even in order to induce a LD. But your last post made me realize something very important: LD is a known and very effective treatment for nightmares. Nevertheless, it takes much time and training for someone to benefit from it. Your idea might actually be revolutionary! I mean, if someone has frequent nightmares and gets scared all the time, I don't see why not scare him/her once while awake, in order to make a strong - and perhaps long lasting connection between fear and RC so to free him/her from his nightmares via LD. I think it might just be a great idea after all! :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by SearcherTMR

LLucido, when I read the first post, I was like FryingMan: No way! You should never scare someone under any circumstances - even in order to induce a LD. But your last post made me realize something very important: LD is a known and very effective treatment for nightmares. Nevertheless, it takes much time and training for someone to benefit from it. Your idea might actually be revolutionary! I mean, if someone has frequent nightmares and gets scared all the time, I don't see why not scare him/her once while awake, in order to make a strong - and perhaps long lasting connection between fear and RC so to free him/her from his nightmares via LD. I think it might just be a great idea after all! :thumbup:

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Agree...

Dress like a zombie with blood and everything and then do your scaring technique Llucido. It might be more effective.

Just don't forget to check subject's cardiac medical history. Safety first!

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As with anything, one needs to calculate cost/benefit ratio :D

As I think about it I see that it's strong mnemonics - linkage between what we do and what we remember while we doing it strengthened by strong emotion which is fear of death. This emotion is super effective in memory clarification by ?evolutionary reasons? i guess.

For example when I'm taking a shower I always get this fear of spiders, because I've met one big there. I get this fear memory only in particular shower.

If we could use this linkage between strong emotion of fear and reality testing, I think it should manifest in dream very soon.

The problem with guys doing RC all day and hoping for lucidity is that the act of itself isn't supported by strong emotion. You need to burn this memory linkage to your subconscious and I think fear of death is one of the strongest emotion to go with.

I always try to find someone, who is ready to sometimes scare me. Just gently, like jumping from the corner and BOOO!!!. It is a little plus for my awareness training.

My practice is more about unexpected surprise. Yours is about hardcore scaring. I am maybe ready for it, and I will not hate you, because I am the one who is not enough ready and aware. Doing it with (unsuspecting) other people…is a bad Idea. It is not nice, and there are mental and physiological (even if minimal) risks. I was there once, on a scary prank and a guy fainted…O man…it was not a funny moment.

So, I think it is ok, if she was saying it is OK, please do it! (if she is expecting it, is it the same effect as not knowing about this idea? Maybe there are differences between the two unexpected (totally unexpected or unexpected in the moment)).

I can imagine some monks who are using scare, as a meditation-awareness method. The "prank" in this case is not totally unexpected.

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Originally Posted by Memm

This is a really interesting idea, I think it's not just emotion but any significant day event is what we normally dream about.

Maybe before going to sleep think of the current most significant event of the day and use that as a mnemonic link to dreaming? Essentially you're trying to predict what you'll dream about.

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ive done this before and it has worked.......
it has only worked for me if something of BIG SIGNIFICANCE has happened during the day....
like......one day my co-worker got sick at work, at had to be rushed out in an ambulance, and i KNEW i was gonna dream about something pertaining to it that same night, and I did......didnt go lucid tho........

"This is the sort of rationalization used to support bad behavior. "There are any number of ways in which someone could be injured, so why not do <something that could cause harm>?" which is a juvenile sort of reasoning."

"Are you kidding me? Those are ACCIDENTS, you don't justify purposefully hurting someone with the fact that accidents can happen while doing common, daily things."

Pranking someone is not intended to cause harm. It is supposed to be for fun. Kind of like a competition. What if you want to show your friend that you are better at driving than them and this leads you to crash? What if you want to throw a baseball faster than your friend and you accidentally kill someone because of that?
What I am saying is that pranking is just another form of aggressive and semi-aggressive interaction that takes place everywhere with everyone. Man and violence are inseparable, and there are times when violence is actually good. Me and my friends enjoy fighting each other. Could someone get hurt? Yes. Does that mean we shouldn't do it? No.

Do you want to live in a world where everyone is always treading lightly because they are scared of offending someone or hurting someone? That kind of world doesn't sound fun. In fact, it sounds really lame and shitty.

I actually agree with you guys to a certain extent. Hurting people is not cool. But to be so radical, so extremist, is also not cool. Pranks and such are completely fine when it is done in good fun, and not dangerous.

To sum up my argument: your attitude is a wussy one. The tougher you are, the more crap you can take before you get offended or "hurt". It seems that you are saying that amount is 0 for you. Which translates to being wussy. And you don't want to be a wus, do you?

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Originally Posted by Avian

"This is the sort of rationalization used to support bad behavior. "There are any number of ways in which someone could be injured, so why not do <something that could cause harm>?" which is a juvenile sort of reasoning."

"Are you kidding me? Those are ACCIDENTS, you don't justify purposefully hurting someone with the fact that accidents can happen while doing common, daily things."

Pranking someone is not intended to cause harm. It is supposed to be for fun. Kind of like a competition. What if you want to show your friend that you are better at driving than them and this leads you to crash? What if you want to throw a baseball faster than your friend and you accidentally kill someone because of that?
What I am saying is that pranking is just another form of aggressive and semi-aggressive interaction that takes place everywhere with everyone. Man and violence are inseparable, and there are times when violence is actually good. Me and my friends enjoy fighting each other. Could someone get hurt? Yes. Does that mean we shouldn't do it? No.

Do you want to live in a world where everyone is always treading lightly because they are scared of offending someone or hurting someone? That kind of world doesn't sound fun. In fact, it sounds really lame and shitty.

I actually agree with you guys to a certain extent. Hurting people is not cool. But to be so radical, so extremist, is also not cool. Pranks and such are completely fine when it is done in good fun, and not dangerous.

To sum up my argument: your attitude is a wussy one. The tougher you are, the more crap you can take before you get offended or "hurt". It seems that you are saying that amount is 0 for you. Which translates to being wussy. And you don't want to be a wus, do you?

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Call me what you will. The tougher you are, maybe, the more crap you can take, but the smarter you are, the less crap you dish out to people. :P

There is a difference between reckless endangerment (like showing a friend that you are better at driving and you crash... sounds reckless to me) and punching a friend in a friendly fight (not a big deal, no one is gonna get hurt unless someone does something quite dumb).

I don't think that the ultimate goal of man is to prove that he is not a wuss though. Sounds like a lame way to rank yourself.

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Originally Posted by LLucido

Hello!Me and my girlfriend started to practice lucid dreaming something like 3 months ago. I got my first ld, and ones after it fairly easy and quickly but she on the other hand, despite the fact that she tried harder then me, never got a lucid till tonight. Except for this one occasion i didn't have a chance to futher test my theory, but as for now it worked 100% :D I came to a conclusion that it should be easy to attain lucidity if you could associate it with a strong emotion, becouse strong emotions that we had during the day are often reflected during dreaming. So as she was laying in bed ready to go to sleep, i went out of the room and seconds after i entered the room violently and loudly scaring the .... out of her screaming "it's a dream!", and even thought she was very scared she understood what it was for and did RT, even thought she wasn't doing it all day. So this night after she saw a zombie elder women :D, she did RT and became lucid. Her lucidity in this dream was like 6/10 but it was very long even thought it was her first :) So i think if you have someone to try it out with and he or she is good at scaring, you should give it a try. I think it's very important to get VERY scared and it should happen not long before sleep, and of course person scaring you has to scream "it's a dream" and it woulkd be good if you did RT. If anyone finds it helpful, let me know, good luck and don't try this with a weak heart, don't wanna have a heart attack :D

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How can I use this method if I don't have anybody to scare me ???
Because I'm open to try every method which can make me have a lucid dream.

It is not radical and extremist, Avian, it is mature, adult, and empathetic. Using your level of hyperbole, the "pranksters" on the other side are truly evil, sadistic, barbarians.

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but the smarter you are, the less crap you dish out to people

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Pretty much sums it up right there.

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Originally Posted by Sensei

Call me what you will. The tougher you are, maybe, the more crap you can take, but the smarter you are, the less crap you dish out to people. :P

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To me, one cannot objectively judge pranks and their impact altogether.

Because your opinion on pranks is probably influenced by culture/habits/friends/general surroundings.
And while you can count upsides and downsides supporting each sides, this is no case of black and white.

Therefore both of you are right and wrong.

But I would never judge someone's intelligence or experience - whatever you mean by smart - on something based like this.
However you can judge someone by how reckless they would approach pranks.

The fact that Avian insulted FryingMan because of a difference of opinion strikes me as indicative of Avian's likely attitude: if he pranks you, and you don't appreciate it, you're a wuss. Maybe I'm missing something.

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Originally Posted by Avian

Do you want to live in a world where everyone is always treading lightly because they are scared of offending someone or hurting someone? That kind of world doesn't sound fun. In fact, it sounds really lame and shitty.

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I don't want to live in a dull world. But there is already too much hurt in the world, intended or not. And yes, before I do something, I think before I do it, if it will offend or hurt. When you say or do something that is not bad or mean, yet it still hurts someone, that happens and can't be always avoided. But if you do it on purpose, for your enjoyment, then you have no excuse. What you did is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Avian

To sum up my argument: your attitude is a wussy one. The tougher you are, the more crap you can take before you get offended or "hurt". It seems that you are saying that amount is 0 for you. Which translates to being wussy. And you don't want to be a wus, do you?

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Sounds like something a bully would say.

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Originally Posted by Avian

Pranking someone is not intended to cause harm.

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True. It is done solely for prankster's enjoyment. Feelings of the person being pranked be damned. I guess there is too much MTV shows where people are having fun on someone elses account and people get desensitized to what is right and wrong, what is empathy and sympathy, and how to have fun without making someone else scared, hurt or embarrased.

@OP
Sorry if we all misunderstood you. But I don't see anywhere in your OP or other posts, that you had permission to scare your friend. I only see you say it much later after some of your other posts.

If someone agrees with being scared, then that's a different story.

I would suggest that if you want to go the "nightmare" route, you could recall your nightmare, recall the scared feeling it gave you, do RCs and tell yourself next time you are scared you will look at your hands and realize you are dreaming. Mantras, RCs, intent, repetition, right state of mind is the way to go.

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Originally Posted by gab

And yes, before I do something, I think before I do it, if it will offend or hurt.

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Mindfulness in practice. :wink:

I, personally, do not like pranks and would not like anyone scaring me. I'm fine with being a wuss, thanks.
However, I can see this method being applied while watching a scary or creepy movie, perhaps.

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Originally Posted by ResamVi

To me, one cannot objectively judge pranks and their impact altogether.

Because your opinion on pranks is probably influenced by culture/habits/friends/general surroundings.
And while you can count upsides and downsides supporting each sides, this is no case of black and white.

Therefore both of you are right and wrong.

But I would never judge someone's intelligence or experience - whatever you mean by smart - on something based like this.
However you can judge someone by how reckless they would approach pranks.

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Maybe smart isn't the right word. Mature might be a better word there. Smart is highly objective and seems to vary from person to person from everything. I might be smarter or more knowledgeable than most people at one thing, but you might be smarter and more knowledgeable at another.

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Originally Posted by Rockefeller

How can I use this method if I don't have anybody to scare me ???
Because I'm open to try every method which can make me have a lucid dream.

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You can try to do what i'm trying right now. So as of now i completly gave up my daytime ld practice and dream journal and all i try once in a while before sleep is to reconstruct some intense emotion and connect it with the thought of having ld this night. I guess this will depend on how well and deep you can put your mind in the state of feeling some intense emotion without having any reason for it, but i guess you can practice it very well just by trying. It sounds, and probably is very simple, but the key is the ability to really get yourself sucked into some strong emotion and feel it with your whole body. It worked for me most of the time so far. It may be good to switch emotions you use, or not do it too often to not lose the instensity. Good luck ;)

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Originally Posted by LLucido

You can try to do what i'm trying right now. So as of now i completly gave up my daytime ld practice and dream journal and all i try once in a while before sleep is to reconstruct some intense emotion and connect it with the thought of having ld this night. I guess this will depend on how well and deep you can put your mind in the state of feeling some intense emotion without having any reason for it, but i guess you can practice it very well just by trying. It sounds, and probably is very simple, but the key is the ability to really get yourself sucked into some strong emotion and feel it with your whole body. It worked for me most of the time so far. It may be good to switch emotions you use, or not do it too often to not lose the instensity. Good luck ;)

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This is the basis for dream incubation. Connect your dreams to waking through a thought, emotion, and/or feeling. :)

Lucid dream induction is the incubation of awareness into a dream. This is why we tell yall to not just do RC'S habitually throughout the day, but feel them. Any more of a description of that feeling would cause people to go off course chasing a known feeling, so we tell them to make them meaningful to themselves.

@FryingMan
Thanks Grandma, but there is no need to put an absolute prohibition on jumping out and surprising people. In fact I think the OP performed more of a mild surprise than the terror-filled traumatic experiences you are describing. By your logic, surprise birthday parties would be outlawed, so your stance does seem a little extreme. If he jumped out and punched her it would be a completely different matter. Physical pranks CAN actually be harmful (not that the OP's method should even be described as a prank. Not sure who started that trend). But unless somebody does have a known heart condition or equivalent medical problem, I think the OP has an interesting idea. If you don't like it, don't do it.

Now back to the topic before it was derailed, I think this does show an interesting principle of dreams. The more impactful things during the day do seem IMO to show up more often in dreams. Attaching a thought of dreaming to these impactful events could be a nice lucid trick. Definitely worth a shot, especially if it continues to work for her. Honestly I'd do all kinds of bizarre things if they got me lucid 90% of the time :D

That's OK Zangetsu, you'll grow up someday, at least, maybe you will, if you learn to appreciate the wisdom of the grandmas around you.

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Originally Posted by Zangetsu

@FryingMan
Thanks Grandma,

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Please don't be rude.