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      Article about marijuana's effects on dreaming

      I know from experience that marijuana, especially if I use it on a regular basis, wrecks my dreaming situation. I can't recall many dreams, I really struggle to have lucids, and I can't stay lucid for more than a few seconds if I am fortunate enough to even have a lucid dream. That is one of the reasons I haven't smoked pot in the last six months. According to this article, marijuana dims dream quality because it suppresses R.E.M. sleep.

      Why Your Dreams Are Suddenly So Intense After You Stop Smoking Weed | VICE | United States

      On the other hand, if you smoke (eat, vaporize, etc.) pot frequently for a long period and then quit, your brain goes through a period of making up for lost time, and you have really vivid and tripped out dreams for a few weeks. I'm too much of an addict to play games with that, but it's what happens. However, after I end a long pot smoking period, it takes me at least six weeks to be able to have long lasting, high quality lucid dreams again.

      I consider marijuana a major enemy of lucid dreaming.
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      Good article, Universal Mind

      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post

      I know from experience that marijuana, especially if I use it on a regular basis, wrecks my dreaming situation. I can't recall many dreams, I really struggle to have lucids, and I can't stay lucid for more than a few seconds if I am fortunate enough to even have a lucid dream. That is one of the reasons I haven't smoked pot in the last six months. According to this article, marijuana dims dream quality because it suppresses R.E.M. sleep.

      Why Your Dreams Are Suddenly So Intense After You Stop Smoking Weed | VICE | United States

      On the other hand, if you smoke (eat, vaporize, etc.) pot frequently for a long period and then quit, your brain goes through a period of making up for lost time, and you have really vivid and tripped out dreams for a few weeks. I'm too much of an addict to play games with that, but it's what happens. However, after I end a long pot smoking period, it takes me at least six weeks to be able to have long lasting, high quality lucid dreams again.

      I consider marijuana a major enemy of lucid dreaming.


      Universal Mind, that's a good article. I'm copying it here because some folk dont click on links.

      Why Your Dreams Are Suddenly So Intense After You Stop Smoking Weed

      March 4, 2015

      by*Twan Stoffels

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      This article was originally published by VICE Netherlands.

      Maybe you, like me, decided at some point in your life that you'd had enough of soft drugs for a while. Whether this was the beginning of a smoke-free existence or just a hopeless case of hubris is irrelevant here; the point is that you stopped smoking weed for a bit. When you did, you probably also experienced a plethora of positive effects: You felt more energetic, found it easier to remember things, and stopped spending $20 a day on cheeseburgers and Doritos.

      A few days after I quit smoking weed for the first time, I started dreaming again and those dreams seemed more vivid than ever. I realized that as a stoner, I actually hardly ever dreamt at all, and that the few dreams I had weren't half as intense as my dreams these days. What's up with that?

      I decided to call Dr. Hans Hamburger, neurologist, somnologist (sleep expert), and head of Holland Sleep Research—a specialist research center for sleep disorders in the Netherlands.

      According to Hamburger, this resurgence of dreams is common among former smokers; weed suppresses your REM sleep. When you put your rolling papers, pipe, or vaporizers away for a while, your REM sleep suddenly gets the free rein it had before you became a superficially sleeping stoner

      Because I'm not a somnologist myself, I asked what REM sleep exactly is. "Every night, you go through about four or five sleep cycles," Hamburger replied. "Each cycle takes about ninety minutes, during which you go through different phases. There's superficial sleep, deep sleep, and finally REM sleep. During that REM period, you have most of your dreams. You don't usually remember your dreams if you continue sleeping. The last REM period just before you wake up takes the longest—and you'll only remember the dreams you had in that time if you wake up during it. If you don't wake up during the REM period, you won't remember a thing."

      Does this mean you can't remember anything at all when you're sleeping? The answer seems to be no. "You only remember the things that happen while you're awake," said Hamburger. "We don't remember the things that happen while we are sleeping, because we're in a lowered state of consciousness. That has something to do with the fact that when you're asleep, you're processing the memories of things that happened during the day and essentially filing them away in your brain."

      Dreams help you sort through the thousands of impressions and images you encounter every day. When you smoke weed regularly, that function is also suppressed. Dr. Hamburger confirms this: "By smoking weed, you suppress the REM sleep, and with that you also suppress a lot of important functions of that REM sleep. One of those functions is reliving the things you have experienced and coming to terms with them, as it were. Processing all kinds of psychological influences is something you do in REM sleep. You also anticipate the things that will happen the next day or the days after that. While you're sleeping, you already consider those and make decisions in advance."

      The less you give your brain the change to sort this shit out during REM sleep, the more dazed and confused you are during the day. This may explain why the seasoned stoner will often put off tasks and decisions until the very last minute: You failed to anticipate these issues properly, which is why you're late filing your taxes again, or can't remember where you left your house keys.

      Alcohol, surprisingly, has the opposite effect: If you go to bed shitfaced, the phases of REM sleep last longer. That is not to say that drinking two bottles of vodka before going to bed will help you get a good night's sleep. "Too much alcohol suppresses the deep sleep and gives you more REM sleep, but it makes you more restless and wake up more often. If you drink way too much, you'll be twisting and turning all night and keep waking up," said Hamburger.

      Anyway, back to smoking weed. The effect pot has on your night's rest is clear. But why are your dreams so hyper-realistic and feverish after you stop smoking?

      "If you've been taking a drug that suppresses a certain phenomenon for a while, then that phenomenon will come back stronger when you stop using that drug," explained Hamburger. "That's what we call 'the rebound effect'—which is also noticeable in people who take a lot of sleeping pills. If they stop taking those, they often get very strange and intense dreams. That is also often the reason why people keep taking those sleeping pills—they become dependent on them, which is to say, addicted."

      In other words: your body goes into sprint-dream-mode, and that is why your dreams are so intense. According to Hamburger, the body recovers from the rebound effect on its own over time. "It is a temporary attempt to catch up on all the dreaming you missed when you were smoking weed. It usually goes away after two to three weeks," he said. "Your body will know when it's all caught up and ready to go back to business as usual."
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      I know from experience that marijuana, especially if I use it on a regular basis, wrecks my dreaming situation. I can't recall many dreams...

      I consider marijuana a major enemy of lucid dreaming.
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      I've never had that experience with Marijuana wrecking my dream experience, I guess I was one of the lucky ones. I also never had the REM rebound when quitting either.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      I know from experience that marijuana, especially if I use it on a regular basis, wrecks my dreaming situation. I can't recall many dreams, I really struggle to have lucids, and I can't stay lucid for more than a few seconds if I am fortunate enough to even have a lucid dream. That is one of the reasons I haven't smoked pot in the last six months. According to this article, marijuana dims dream quality because it suppresses R.E.M. sleep.

      Why Your Dreams Are Suddenly So Intense After You Stop Smoking Weed | VICE | United States

      On the other hand, if you smoke (eat, vaporize, etc.) pot frequently for a long period and then quit, your brain goes through a period of making up for lost time, and you have really vivid and tripped out dreams for a few weeks. I'm too much of an addict to play games with that, but it's what happens. However, after I end a long pot smoking period, it takes me at least six weeks to be able to have long lasting, high quality lucid dreams again.

      I consider marijuana a major enemy of lucid dreaming.

      I agree it is an enemy. It's good for a quick fix of LDs but the quality and quantity is sub par and it messes you up in the long term. Great if you've had a dry streak tho.

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      Well, this article is definitely making me curious. Thinking about it now, last time I stopped smoking I only did it for a week and I had the most intense dream I've had in a long, long time. In fact it's the one that made me look into lucid dreaming in the first place. I just never made the connection until now.

      Also when smoking, I'm usually not alone, but even when I am I tend to forget my intentions to dream and to remember my dreams in the morning.

      I'd say those are very good reasons to look into taking a 2-3 week break and see if it will make a difference.

      By the way, guys, do you think the time when you smoke makes a difference? For example, do you think it would be okay to smoke in the morning? I'm asking, because its effects usually wear off in about 1-2 hours for me. Maybe if you don't smoke a couple of hours before going to sleep it won't suppress your REM sleep - what do you think?

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      Quote Originally Posted by TerminallyChill View Post
      Well, this article is definitely making me curious. Thinking about it now, last time I stopped smoking I only did it for a week and I had the most intense dream I've had in a long, long time. In fact it's the one that made me look into lucid dreaming in the first place. I just never made the connection until now.

      Also when smoking, I'm usually not alone, but even when I am I tend to forget my intentions to dream and to remember my dreams in the morning.

      I'd say those are very good reasons to look into taking a 2-3 week break and see if it will make a difference.

      By the way, guys, do you think the time when you smoke makes a difference? For example, do you think it would be okay to smoke in the morning? I'm asking, because its effects usually wear off in about 1-2 hours for me. Maybe if you don't smoke a couple of hours before going to sleep it won't suppress your REM sleep - what do you think?
      Yeah good luck getting a pothead to not smoke before bed.

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      Quote Originally Posted by cmind View Post
      Yeah good luck getting a pothead to not smoke before bed.
      Trust me, I know... But it's not impossible, so long as there is a good reason not to do it.

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      Okay, so I know I'm kinda spamming and only about 10 days have passed since I started really paying attention to this, but I do believe that if you don't smoke an hour or two before bed or even better if you manage to go to sleep sober you should be fine with your dream recall, at least according to my personal experience so far.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TerminallyChill View Post
      Okay, so I know I'm kinda spamming and only about 10 days have passed since I started really paying attention to this, but I do believe that if you don't smoke an hour or two before bed or even better if you manage to go to sleep sober you should be fine with your dream recall, at least according to my personal experience so far.
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