Fatigue and lucidity

**Dthoughts** · 10-20-2015 10:12 AM

Can anyone confirm that Fatigue is directly related to non-lucidity. And that having power/energy throughout the night is related to having power of thought in lucid dreams.

I'll give an example, being able to wake up to get some water because you are full of energy in the night as opposed to prefering to lie down and dying of thirst. One is full of energy. I think it's important to attain energy throughout the night. One crux is having motivation.

I think the body can rest and that actually helps because the body is in fatigue that does not mean that the mental world has to also rest. it has infinite energy imo. detach from hanging unto emotions but stay vibrant, i bet this helps in WILDs too, haven't tried.

**Milly** · 10-20-2015 01:30 PM

I wouldn't say that it's directly connected (mainly because as a biology scientist I find this to be a really bold statement =p) but it certainly play a role in lucidity, at least for me. Being dead tired mean less recall and no real WBTB dying of thirst in bed rather that getting up for a glass of water, as you say), thus it's harder to reach lucidity.

**Rodrodrod** · 10-20-2015 01:51 PM

Hmm. This is a really interesting question to discuss and think about. At first, based on my experiences it would seem that indeed fatigue should result in non-lucidity but then the more I look at it I see that fatigue can actually take place in different levels. I don't think the mind has infinite energy in the sense that it never fatigues but rather I see the body as having 3 levels, all of which can be fatigued. The physical, mental and spiritual/emotional.

For example, when we concentrate on something for too we get mentally exhausted, where we just need to relax our minds, focusing on something different, which is different than being physicaly exerted.

So, in terms of lucidity we are therefore talking about awareness and to be fatigued in all 3 levels would mean non-lucidity. However if just the physical body is tired but not the mind than I think that can be actually helpful in lucidity as that means the body will relax easier and can have a better quality of sleep. But to be mentally fatigued it will be harder to concentrate even if you are motivated so then your physical body can be full of energy but you still need mental rest.

We are very complex beings and maintaining awareness can be quite hard.

This is all speculation of course, but I see all these levels being interplayed and if one is too tired it will affect the other and could overall result in non-lucidity. And then every level will have different aspects that contribute to it such as diet and exercise for the physical, things like motivation for the mind and intent for the spiritual/emotional side. (I may not be making sense)

An imagery that comes to mind is how our cells action potential work. We need to have a reach a certain threshhold level of energy and maintain it there. Too little and we may be non-lucid and even too much may result in not falling asleep on the first place.

Anyways, very interesting to think about and I look forward to seeing how other people see this.

**Sensei** · 10-20-2015 05:11 PM

In my experience, fatigue is different than lack of sleep. The side effects of lack of sleep will effect your dreams as they do in waking.
Lack of focus, memory, and attention span.
These are bad for lucid dreaming. However being fatigued by exercise causes the opossite. Your body is tired, but your mind is more awake. This is something I have heard and experienced since I started lucid dreaming.

Wild especially takes focus and the ability to split your attention correctly. If you are sleep deprived, it is going to be much harder to wild. Of course experience can trump.