iWatch deild

**ezzolucid** · 10-22-2015 09:44 AM

Hi all, i am looking into deild

As I understand, to dield from a non lucid is not as easy as doing it from a lucid dream as in a lucid dream you can tell when you are going to wake up, hense prepare yourself to keep still / eyes closed.

Anyways, just a random thought looking for somefeedback please. I have just got an iwatch which is strapped my my wrist like 27/7. Although im the first person i know to own one im sure in 12 months even my per monkey will have one! (hope not, that would mean i would have to buy a pet monkey first)

So i understand if feed back is minimal as i dont expect anyone to have tried this

So i have an app which is an alarm that gently vibrates for 10 seconds and then switches off automatically. This means that after my wbtb, i can set it for about 1 hour into my late sleep shedule when im normally in rem. Once it goes off it will gently rouse me from a dream and i will be able to keep still and perform a dield

During the day i could train myself with this technique by getting an app that randomly sets of the vibrating alarm and then each time i could perform a 'keep still' with a thought of 're-enter dream' mantra etc

So is this idea good or is there a fundemental flaw that im missing

Thanks guys
Ezzo

**Kaan** · 10-22-2015 12:42 PM

I have been trying this approach for months with two different vibrating alarms: Gymboss minimax that I can clip on my pant, my socks, or anywhere, and a vibrating watch.
The gymboss can be programmed nearly as you want, you can also set the length of the vibration, 1,2,5 or 9 seconds, but not it's strength which is rather powerful.
The watch vibrates more gently and I can not set the length (10 seconds), I usually use a countdown of about 6h from the moment I close my eyes at bed time, and it gently wakes me up 6hs later.

I only use the watch to completely wake me up, and from this point I can start the gymboss program to shortly bring me back at different intervals while I cross N-REM stage prior to REM stage.

This game takes a lot of time to find the perfect setting.
The brain will do everything it can to integrate the vibrations into your dream, and it is strongly likely to induce FA where you dream tha you turn the alarm off, or this kinda tricky stuff.

A too strong vibration, or to violent awakening leads to a kind of reset of the sleep schedule, so don't expect to enter very easily in the REM stage, if it was so simple, I would have tons of successful DEILD/WILD with this toys since I have been trying to use it.

To wake you up fast, the vibration has to be strong
to wake you up gently, the vibration has to be gentle but longer.
The perfect setting for a night is not the perfect setting for the following night any longer (brain seams to adapt itself)

I'll follow your results.
Good luck.

**Sensei** · 10-22-2015 02:09 PM

Hmmm... I have used a similar approach since I sleep almost perfectly still. I leave my phone in my hand and set it to go off at certain times. This allows me to wake up without it waking my wife up. Honestly, things like this as are going to be difficult to deild, since you still need to "phase" to get to it, and you will be quite unaware at the time. Things like this and like setting a 10 minute alarm etc, are all things that can help lucidity, but probably aren't going to make a huge difference unless you already have a lot of lds.

Note:
If you wake up and don't lay still, then just get up for a minute or two, write some tags for your dreams and then do some visualizations and go back to bed. Doing this multiple times per night is very effective.

**ezzolucid** · 10-22-2015 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Kaan

I have been trying this approach for months with two different vibrating alarms: Gymboss minimax that I can clip on my pant, my socks, or anywhere, and a vibrating watch.
The gymboss can be programmed nearly as you want, you can also set the length of the vibration, 1,2,5 or 9 seconds, but not it's strength which is rather powerful.
The watch vibrates more gently and I can not set the length (10 seconds), I usually use a countdown of about 6h from the moment I close my eyes at bed time, and it gently wakes me up 6hs later.

I only use the watch to completely wake me up, and from this point I can start the gymboss program to shortly bring me back at different intervals while I cross N-REM stage prior to REM stage.

This game takes a lot of time to find the perfect setting.
The brain will do everything it can to integrate the vibrations into your dream, and it is strongly likely to induce FA where you dream tha you turn the alarm off, or this kinda tricky stuff.

A too strong vibration, or to violent awakening leads to a kind of reset of the sleep schedule, so don't expect to enter very easily in the REM stage, if it was so simple, I would have tons of successful DEILD/WILD with this toys since I have been trying to use it.

To wake you up fast, the vibration has to be strong
to wake you up gently, the vibration has to be gentle but longer.
The perfect setting for a night is not the perfect setting for the following night any longer (brain seams to adapt itself)

I'll follow your results.
Good luck.

Hi Kaan, you didnt say if you have been succesful with this method, have you had any deild this way? thanks

**Kaan** · 10-22-2015 04:24 PM

up to now I only had got few LD, but essentially some interesting FA when associated with this technique: http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...ml#post2170213

I didn't take the time to continue those experiments, so stopped nearly as soon as I begun.
This methode also use a mp3 with a recorded message that you play each time you feel the vibration.
my version of this technique was:

1)
Firstly you sleep 5-6h, then a vibrating watch wakes you up.
you can do a WBTB or just start the second party of the technique as soon as you are awoken.

2)
You trigger the vibrating alarm to vibrate few second every 24 min.
each time you feel the vibe you play the mp3 which is very close, in the best case attached to one of your hands so that you only use your thumb to press the play button. but it also worked with the gymboss clipsed to my pant.
the vibration must turns automatically after few seconds max.
The mp3 earplug is already in one of your ear, or you can use a elastic band around your head with a flat hp incorporated in, near you ear.
The mp3 message is something like "this is a successful reality check, relax and pay attention to the new vibe".

3)
-If the message is exactly as it is supposed to be, you are awoken, you just return to sleep after having heard the message
-If the message is different, or something bugs, you are probably in a FA.

I had got few FA the few times I tried this, and one LD.

Writing this makes me feel like coming back to this technique by the way

Notice that this closer to DILD than DEILD, but it is EILD anyway.

I also am a RemDreamer Pro user and use it sometimes with an audio message recorded with my voice or with a synthetized voice from the internet.
I experienced several times a distortion in the sentence recorded: it was simply saying a different sentence.

It seams that whatever is the nature of the stimuli (light, sound, audio message, vibration, someone pushing you etc..) your brain always try to modify the perception to make it fit with the dream scenario.
You have to be mentally prepared to this.
And the easiest way of doing this sometimes is to produce a dream scenario in which you are already awoken, so you will stop to start to wake up (FA).

RC rules.