Frequent LD's from DILD?

I've been doubting DILD for a long time, but yesterday i realized that i'm giving DILD too much flak for no reason even though it was the method that i got most of my LDs with.
Which brings me here. Suppose that i couple DILD with meditation and do these for a few months, is it possible to start having LDs regularly by them? Especially by DILD?

I ask this because i had the impression that noone can get frequent LDs from DILD because it's "LD by luck" obviously a wrong statement in one way or another..

Hey there,

Almost all of my lucid dreams are DILDs. For me, they require a more holistic approach then some other techniques do, but I find that if I combine daily awareness with clear intent and a strong focus on my dreams as a whole, DILDs actually become the most frequent, and more importantly most consistent, type of lucid dreams to induce. Over the years I've been working with lucid dreams, I've seen a clear increase in my overall dream awareness, which often spikes into 'full lucid dreams'.

-Redrivertears-

i get nearly all my LD´s with DILD (MILD or/and microawakenings,sometimes SSILD and stuff). when i am good in my game (not like in the moment with my diploma thesis...) i manage to get lucid in 4-6 nights a week and per night between 1-4 lucids... then i need one or two days break to regenerate because i am not super efficient in it yet but it works like a charm when you know how to do it.
in my opinion a lot of people think dild is like: (set intention or MILD) fall asleep and hope for the best. but it is not. there is a lot of mechanics and things you can actively do to raise the chances to get atleast one lucid in two to three days tops.
and in my opinion its easier to get lucids on a day after you had already lucids. so in my case atleast after a break i need around three days of daywork and set intention and changing my habits again.
after the first day my recall goes up again on the second day i get the first vivid and present dreams where lucidity is just a step away and/or get my first semilucids and on the third day i get my full lucid.

from then its just endurance to become lucid every night. most of the time weekend is crossing my practice because staying up longer or drinking or things. even without the weekend i need some recovery after a week or so because the nightwork is a little more exhausting than normal sleep but thats a question of balance and of experience to minimize it. and i think when you get really effective with it you can practice 5-6 days a week with atleast 1 lucid a night and can take a day free without a problem and might get "lucid by luck" anyway ;)

i dont know the correct spelling or name but nayja or something? had over 1000 lucids all with dild. she LD every night nearly all dreams. she wrote a good guide too but i cant find it because i dont know the spelling :P she did it with visualization.


btw: tonight i had 3 dilds without even setting intention. i just didnt slept that deep because i had a visitor and because i had some problems falling asleep i used sporadicaly my mantra and suddenly got lucid. the lucids after that are easy because you are already in the mode.

[Edit] Found it : Naiya....
http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...technique.html
http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...d-secrets.html


--> its not exactly how i do it but you need to find your own way either way

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Originally Posted by RelaxAndDream

i get nearly all my LD´s with DILD (MILD or/and microawakenings,sometimes SSILD and stuff). when i am good in my game (not like in the moment with my diploma thesis...) i manage to get lucid in 4-6 nights a week and per night between 1-4 lucids... then i need one or two days break to regenerate because i am not super efficient in it yet but it works like a charm when you know how to do it.
in my opinion a lot of people think dild is like: (set intention or MILD) fall asleep and hope for the best. but it is not. there is a lot of mechanics and things you can actively do to raise the chances to get atleast one lucid in two to three days tops.
and in my opinion its easier to get lucids on a day after you had already lucids. so in my case atleast after a break i need around three days of daywork and set intention and changing my habits again.
after the first day my recall goes up again on the second day i get the first vivid and present dreams where lucidity is just a step away and/or get my first semilucids and on the third day i get my full lucid.

from then its just endurance to become lucid every night. most of the time weekend is crossing my practice because staying up longer or drinking or things. even without the weekend i need some recovery after a week or so because the nightwork is a little more exhausting than normal sleep but thats a question of balance and of experience to minimize it. and i think when you get really effective with it you can practice 5-6 days a week with atleast 1 lucid a night and can take a day free without a problem and might get "lucid by luck" anyway ;)

i dont know the correct spelling or name but nayja or something? had over 1000 lucids all with dild. she LD every night nearly all dreams. she wrote a good guide too but i cant find it because i dont know the spelling :P she did it with visualization.


btw: tonight i had 3 dilds without even setting intention. i just didnt slept that deep because i had a visitor and because i had some problems falling asleep i used sporadicaly my mantra and suddenly got lucid. the lucids after that are easy because you are already in the mode.

[Edit] Found it : Naiya....
http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...technique.html
http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...d-secrets.html


--> its not exactly how i do it but you need to find your own way either way

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Thanks for the Naiya links. I actually just read the DILD one but what i questioned was what she said about consistency. Whatever it is, it looks like i'm going to DILD and meditate during my wake times then MILD before bed. This looks like what i need to get the most LDs i can without burning myself out.

What does she say about consistency? that it is fuckin important right? i agree ;) to get A lucid dream is not hard. to get every month a lucid is not hard too. to get them weekly seems to be the first line that gets drawn between lucid dreaming practitioner and most of them dont get over 2-4 a week. but when you do it consistent and notice all the small details in your progress and how they feel and what a difference they make you learn your own way and start putting trust in YOUR ability and not in ANY technique. they get tools but not something you really rely on to get lucid you simply know you can get lucid when you really want to.

your plan sounds good. stick with it and try some things out. i cant emphasis enough how awesome microawakenings are. you can tag your dreams --> better recall but even if you dont you can recall them in your mind and notice irregularities and reset your intention with this your dreams get more vivid and present and you get way more often lucid. and they dont drain you as long as you dont do long wbtb´s or write whole dreams down. its just a matter of 1-5mins tops.

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Originally Posted by RelaxAndDream

What does she say about consistency? that it is fuckin important right? i agree ;) to get A lucid dream is not hard. to get every month a lucid is not hard too. to get them weekly seems to be the first line that gets drawn between lucid dreaming practitioner and most of them dont get over 2-4 a week. but when you do it consistent and notice all the small details in your progress and how they feel and what a difference they make you learn your own way and start putting trust in YOUR ability and not in ANY technique. they get tools but not something you really rely on to get lucid you simply know you can get lucid when you really want to.

your plan sounds good. stick with it and try some things out. i cant emphasis enough how awesome microawakenings are. you can tag your dreams --> better recall but even if you dont you can recall them in your mind and notice irregularities and reset your intention with this your dreams get more vivid and present and you get way more often lucid. and they dont drain you as long as you dont do long wbtb´s or write whole dreams down. its just a matter of 1-5mins tops.

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Yeah, she says consistency and practice are two extremely important things. I hadn't really understood it before but it suddenly clicked as to why i haven't been having so many lucid dreams, it's because i kept switching from method to another without trusting one method and improving on it. As for my plan, it sounds really good to me. I'm also trying to be mindful the longest i can during the day as that mindfulness results in a very good awareness increase that i'm willing to work for.

Having said all of that, i'm excited to begin practicing this method combination i have and i will stay with it for a long time. Soon i will be enjoying the lucids, but for now i have to clear the path to them.

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I'm also trying to be mindful the longest i can during the day as that mindfulness results in a very good awareness increase that i'm willing to work for.

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Work gently on being mindful during the day and try not to judge yourself when you drift off. Also, if you are meditating, for a few minutes after meditation, just sit and be mindful of whatever comes up. Blending like this will help with daily mindfulness.

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Originally Posted by ThreeCat

Work gently on being mindful during the day and try not to judge yourself when you drift off. Also, if you are meditating, for a few minutes after meditation, just sit and be mindful of whatever comes up. Blending like this will help with daily mindfulness.

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Thanks for the tip. I'm a heavy thinker but for the past hour i started mindfulness and i feel some sort of freedom of thought right now.

Doesn't Steven Laberge have a 100% success rate?

Once you engrain the habit of regularly questioning your surroundings you should be able to lucid as much as you want I would think.

Yes, DILD isn't really a method though, rather it's what happens (becoming lucid in a dream).
The method itself would be daily practice of some sort (recall, awareness, reality questioning, mantras, meditation, (self)suggestion, idea incubation - some combination of these). But even "WILD class methods" increase the probability of having a DILD. So to me the original question is kinda weird...

For example this month (January) I had 11 LDs, only 3 of which were directly wake induced. So I had 8 DILDs vs 3 wake inductions. But I have many DILDs after trying out a "WILD class methods" and losing awareness / having a FA. I also practice my own weird combo of <recall, awareness, reality questioning, mantras, meditation, (self)suggestion, idea incubation>, here-and-there, during the day. It is not a "either that or this" in my opinion - rather it's about finding a certain balance of practicing whenever you get the chance and however is comfortable to you personally.