Gravity RC and recall

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Originally Posted by Hukif

yay!

1.- I do this technique all day long, including during the night and also when I wake up between each dream.

2.- I rely solely on this, don't know about others but at least 4 people have used it to get nightly lucids. Remember that everyones dreams are different.

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So happy to see you back and posting on the forums, Hukif!

I think #1 is the key. It's not (for everyone at least) so much the gravity, as it is the continuous focus and the activation of an "observer mode" that is always evaluating one particular aspect of your present experience. For about 3 months, 2 years ago, I tried ADA/RC - location: being aware of where I was, and whether or not it was a waking location. I did this because I noticed that I tended to be thinking about and noticing my surroundings a lot in dreams, and that with only a few exceptions all my dreams took place in non-waking locations. I had some success with it, but discontinued it in favor of general mindfulness. Location is pretty tricky because it is not a physical sensation, it requires some thinking to evaluate and so may not be ideal for ADA/RC. Interestingly enough, during that time I had several cases of becoming aware of gravity (feeling "too light" mostly) in a non-lucid dream. I did have several lucids where I noticed either that I wasn't currently where I had just been before, or that a particular pathway had suddenly become closed.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Hukif, by the time you began your ADA/RC-gravity you had already been working very hard for many years to get lucid, and had dreams so vivid they were indistinguishable from waking life otherwise, is that right? I imagine your general awareness built up in those years of practice became extremely high.

So for those working on this technique, don't give up! The more you become tuned in to your experiences, paying attention to them, the more lucid you will become in both waking and dreaming life.

Been at it all day, the feeling of heaviness is really annoying me! Damn

Hey!

I've been at it for close to 2 weeks, and had a small idea that maybe could speed up the process and give results quicker.

So how about using WBTB where you're completely focused on your weight, and then MILD where you use as a mantra something like: "Gravity feels weird, because this is a dream" or "I am aware of my weight"?

Just a thought. I'd like to know what you think.

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Originally Posted by Carbon

Hey!

I've been at it for close to 2 weeks, and had a small idea that maybe could speed up the process and give results quicker.

So how about using WBTB where you're completely focused on your weight, and then MILD where you use as a mantra something like: "Gravity feels weird, because this is a dream" or "I am aware of my weight"?

Just a thought. I'd like to know what you think.

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This seems to be abit similar to SSILD, not the RC but the way you present it. In SSILD, you focus on each of your sense right? So you can try this.

-focus on your weight for 5 seconds approximately 4-6 times.
-focus on your weight for a longer period, example like 3-4 times until you feel like your dropping off to sleep. It makes sense to me, you are focusing on your body weight quite close to sleep, so you should likely be more aware of your body weight in the dream = feels different = lucidity.

I'm not going to try this though, because this is an all day thing, and I find adding stuff may loose the full effectivness.

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Originally Posted by FryingMan

So happy to see you back and posting on the forums, Hukif!

I think #1 is the key. It's not (for everyone at least) so much the gravity, as it is the continuous focus and the activation of an "observer mode" that is always evaluating one particular aspect of your present experience. For about 3 months, 2 years ago, I tried ADA/RC - location: being aware of where I was, and whether or not it was a waking location. I did this because I noticed that I tended to be thinking about and noticing my surroundings a lot in dreams, and that with only a few exceptions all my dreams took place in non-waking locations. I had some success with it, but discontinued it in favor of general mindfulness. Location is pretty tricky because it is not a physical sensation, it requires some thinking to evaluate and so may not be ideal for ADA/RC. Interestingly enough, during that time I had several cases of becoming aware of gravity (feeling "too light" mostly) in a non-lucid dream. I did have several lucids where I noticed either that I wasn't currently where I had just been before, or that a particular pathway had suddenly become closed.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Hukif, by the time you began your ADA/RC-gravity you had already been working very hard for many years to get lucid, and had dreams so vivid they were indistinguishable from waking life otherwise, is that right? I imagine your general awareness built up in those years of practice became extremely high.

So for those working on this technique, don't give up! The more you become tuned in to your experiences, paying attention to them, the more lucid you will become in both waking and dreaming life.

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Yo! Glad to come back too, and get back on my dreaming journey cause truth to be told, was slacking off a lot.

And yep, before starting this RC, I had been working hard to get lucid for 8 years, but silly waking-life like dreams made it near impossible for me to get lucid for the longest time.

Idk if this is everyone, but, when you are focused on feeling gravity, how do you retain attention on the action that you're doing?

Can't you only focus on one thing at a time?

How is it possible to be mindful of gravity while still focusing on what you're actually doing at the same time?

I'm seeming to have problems doing this.

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Originally Posted by Ajanime22

Idk if this is everyone, but, when you are focused on feeling gravity, how do you retain attention on the action that you're doing?

Can't you only focus on one thing at a time?

How is it possible to be mindful of gravity while still focusing on what you're actually doing at the same time?

I'm seeming to have problems doing this.

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I'm sure Hukif can give you a good answer on this.

For me though, I may approach it a different way than OP does. I kind of make the feelings of my leg so heavy that the feeling is noticeable while doing something else.

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Originally Posted by Habba

I'm sure Hukif can give you a good answer on this.

For me though, I may approach it a different way than OP does. I kind of make the feelings of my leg so heavy that the feeling is noticeable while doing something else.

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Thanks, Habba! I do this at night before I go to sleep. But, I never thought to do this in the day. I'm doing this starting now and will see how it works out.

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Originally Posted by Ajanime22

Thanks, Habba! I do this at night before I go to sleep. But, I never thought to do this in the day. I'm doing this starting now and will see how it works out.

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I would say just do what suits/works for you, but if you practice it as hukif has explained it will lead into you adding little twists to suit your needs.

You can focus on several things at a time, just that it is difficult to do so conciously.

The whole point of the RC is to make it natural, so that eventually you will be able to do it effortlessly, just like breathing. You do it all day long, but rarely pay attention to your breathing pattern, right? Something like that, but yes trying to make it feel augmented is a good way to begin.

The worrying thing about this is that i don't know if I'm doing it right or not...

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Originally Posted by Habba

The worrying thing about this is that i don't know if I'm doing it right or not...

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That feeling is going to happen until you start to get the hang of it, I was in the same situation when I first started.

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Originally Posted by Azul

That feeling is going to happen until you start to get the hang of it, I was in the same situation when I first started.

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Haha I think I'm starting to figure this one out. I'm curious if focusing on the effect of gravity through my body's own center of gravity would be sufficient (This is just the way it seems to work for me intuitively). Granted I've only tried it one day before, I'm curious to give it a go and see how it influences my dreams over time.

Well, one of the most important parts of this RC is that you become your own "RC", that the awareness that you build within yourself becomes the key to learn about your own two worlds, the dreaming one and the waking one and then use that knowledge at ones favour to become lucid.

That is why generally, one will feel as if things are done wrongly, because it is a new "system" to be ingrained within ones self.

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Originally Posted by Hukif

Well, one of the most important parts of this RC is that you become your own "RC", that the awareness that you build within yourself becomes the key to learn about your own two worlds, the dreaming one and the waking one and then use that knowledge at ones favour to become lucid.

That is why generally, one will feel as if things are done wrongly, because it is a new "system" to be ingrained within ones self.

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Still at the Gravity RC, does this somehow increase dream recall because my recall has shot up, dreams feel so long and vivid.

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Originally Posted by Habba

Still at the Gravity RC, does this somehow increase dream recall because my recall has shot up, dreams feel so long and vivid.

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Any sort of behavior change where you start paying attention to your experiences should also boost your recall, because at the heart of remembering an experience is paying attention to it.

Dunno....Habba, i am practising this for like a month now and my recall has not improved at all.Don't know why.Hukif mentioned it should augment.But mine is terrible right now.I have lost contact with my dreams.When my recall was better it felt like something Dolphin said in a thread.He said being more conscious in your dreams while they are happening.Now that i have lost contact with my dreams when i remember bits and pieces they feel dull and boring.When my recall was high it felt like the dreams were really happening.It was more like living the moment/dream back then.I am still practising the gravity RC hoping i will get results with recall and mainly lucidity.

It's important to get that dream connection / dream awareness back. Without it there's not much of a chance of lucidity. Make a habit of paying attention to your experiences and recalling them later, and over time, both waking and dreaming experiences will become richer.

I am traveling for good 2 weeks now and have a lot of time with me and without the distractions of electronics and stuff and I try to stay aware of the gravity as much as possible. It's getting a little easier with time. I remember it a lot more often just like that. I started with hands/arms but now expanding to the whole body when lying or sitting. I mix my awareness with a mantra too. Every time my awareness comes up I tell myself "I am aware of the weight of my arms/body and notice I am dreaming" when I have time I feel it and repeat it for some minutes. Every time I wake up during the night I try to anchor my awareness to the weight of my arms and fall asleep with same mantra. Since I don't journal my dreams are the moment my recall is not that good but I got several lucids the last days. In the last 4 days I had between 1 and 3 lucids each night. A week ago I had 6 lucids in one night... That was incredible, I had the feeling every dream got lucid at some point!
In one dream I can remember to notice the gravity shortly but without questioning it. But overall no change in noticing more gravity in my dreams or getting lucid from it. But my overall awareness is rising I think. All last lucids I just get lucid and know I am dreaming without much of a surprise or questioning.

After all I am still motivated to keep up to stay with the gravity rc and see if I might get gravity related progress soon. :-)

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Originally Posted by RelaxAndDream

I am traveling for good 2 weeks now and have a lot of time with me and without the distractions of electronics and stuff and I try to stay aware of the gravity as much as possible. It's getting a little easier with time. I remember it a lot more often just like that. I started with hands/arms but now expanding to the whole body when lying or sitting. I mix my awareness with a mantra too. Every time my awareness comes up I tell myself "I am aware of the weight of my arms/body and notice I am dreaming" when I have time I feel it and repeat it for some minutes. Every time I wake up during the night I try to anchor my awareness to the weight of my arms and fall asleep with same mantra. Since I don't journal my dreams are the moment my recall is not that good but I got several lucids the last days. In the last 4 days I had between 1 and 3 lucids each night. A week ago I had 6 lucids in one night... That was incredible, I had the feeling every dream got lucid at some point!
In one dream I can remember to notice the gravity shortly but without questioning it. But overall no change in noticing more gravity in my dreams or getting lucid from it. But my overall awareness is rising I think. All last lucids I just get lucid and know I am dreaming without much of a surprise or questioning.

After all I am still motivated to keep up to stay with the gravity rc and see if I might get gravity related progress soon. :-)

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How? How does one get to the point where they become lucid without even trying? I've been trying to stay aware of what I'm doing for like 5 months now and still have no lucid dream. What are you doing right that I'm doing terribly wrong?

I just don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Ajanime22

How? How does one get to the point where they become lucid without even trying? I've been trying to stay aware of what I'm doing for like 5 months now and still have no lucid dream. What are you doing right that I'm doing terribly wrong?

I just don't get it.

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I have never had a Lucid Dream man but honestly man, forget how long it's going to take, enjoy each and every moment off it. Time varies from person to person. Do you feel stressed about your current practice? Then change it because it's only going to see you back. Find something that is fun that you can work with. There has to be atleast some effort to induce lucid dreams, look at Hukif, his rc has become second nature to him so for him it requires little effort because he is use to it. One thing I've learnt is that you need to enjoy your non lucids, they are just as fun and interesting.

Keep going man!

Been practising this for RC for 10 days now, been trying to do it all day, it's getting alot easier. Right now, I feel like I'm in the moment, my thoughts seems a lot clearer, not sure if this an effect of the RC

Absolutely right Habba, there is not much of a point to the whole journey and while it might sound a bit silly or difficult, one can learn to enjoy every little bit of the journey, making it all the better when it gives some fruits, right?

Enjoying the entire process is very important! Lucid dreaming is a journey, not a destination! Speaking of Hukif, don't forget he spent *8 years* working really hard on inducing his first LD. And he did it while young and stayed interested in and connected with his dreaming the whole time. So he has the benefits of a very long period of consistent effort. If you see no progress in dream recall or qualities in dreams, then perhaps it's time to look to your practice and your lifestyle to look for possible adjustments.

LDing is not just awareness, it is also reflection, memory, expectation, intention, timing, being well-rested and not stressed/anxious, etc.

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Originally Posted by Ajanime22

How? How does one get to the point where they become lucid without even trying? I've been trying to stay aware of what I'm doing for like 5 months now and still have no lucid dream. What are you doing right that I'm doing terribly wrong?

I just don't get it.

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I am not just getting lucid without trying. I just don't have an dream journal and I see the consequences in My bad recall. I do Actually try to get lucid a lot. I try as hard as I can actually without burning myself out. And I do this for about a year very constantly. Therefore I have learned a little about myself and how to induce lucids for me. I still am far away to have them daily without much effort! The nights I get "lucky" just get a little more every passing month ;-) plus my awareness is not that high with most of them but I will work on that when I am back from my trip and journal again.

Don't get me wrong. I do enjoy my non-lucid dreams and my recall is really increasing (to a point where I remember 2-4 dreams before my first wbtb and all of them are actually pretty vivid and enjoyable). It's just that I would really like to explore them. I feel like my dreams would be infinitely more fun if I'm lucid in them as opposed to not being lucid in them.

I've been feeling gravity for quite a while and I even noticed how weird it felt in one of my dreams as I was walking. But, even then, I didn't become lucid. I'm just not really sure how to get the thought of "this being a dream" into my actually dreams.