LD when going to sleep

I've heard about LD a while ago but it seemed really difficult, 2 days ago I found a post on 9gag by someone saying how awesome LD is, so I did some research and really got into it, but I read that you need to be in REM to have dreams and it takes a while to go into REM, my question is, is it possible to have a LD when you go to sleep and how do I do it, I've just started doing RC so hopefully that'll help and I'm going to start using the DJ on here, I tried WILD this morning but I simply couldn't focus/relax due to the background noise here on a camping. I've also been doing different mantras but I don't know which one to use. Any help and or tips please

At the start, it's better to stay off WILD unless you have a natural talent for it. WILD variants are considered advanced and would need a lot of work to be useful. But if you're insisting on WILD, then i highly recommend that you do it with a WBTB as it's proven to be really hard right at bedtime. I know this because i accidentally WILD'd before at bedtime thanks to coffee but the dreams i had were not worth it at all. As far as WILD tutorials go, you can search up Sageous's WILD classes.

Becoming lucid by just going to sleep at night is possible and i've had it happen before, but when compared to post-WBTB, chances are that it will be quite uncommon to have LDs right after going to bed, which is because you sleep through the many cycles and your intent and awareness are more or less dead. This is where WBTB proves useful, as it raises your awareness and reinforces your intention to lucid dream right in the middle of your REM cycles close to your dreams. In other words, you'll have a better chance of getting it right with WBTB.

Most importantly, remember that everyone is different, and that what i said just now may not apply to you. After so many years of wasting my time trying to search for the perfect technique, i realised that i had to create my own method or alter the techniques other people made to suit myself. After all, lucid dreaming is all in the head. It's also a skill, so there is no formula for 100% success.

MILD/DILD/WBTB are the general techniques for beginners, with the addition of more like SSILD. Remember that even beginner techniques can yeild you a frequent rate of LDs once worked on for long enough.

Thank you for this, I'll try the WBTB method as it seems like it is the best way for beginners to have LDs any tips on how to WBTB, currently on vacation so I go to sleep at 22:00 mostly instead of 21:00, what time should I set my alarm to wake up and do I need to get out of bed since I'm in a small tent next to the big tent where my parents and brother and sister(younger) sleep, so if I were to get out maybe my parents will notice and I'll wake them up

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Originally Posted by Jord38

Thank you for this, I'll try the WBTB method as it seems like it is the best way for beginners to have LDs any tips on how to WBTB, currently on vacation so I go to sleep at 22:00 mostly instead of 21:00, what time should I set my alarm to wake up and do I need to get out of bed since I'm in a small tent next to the big tent where my parents and brother and sister(younger) sleep, so if I were to get out maybe my parents will notice and I'll wake them up

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This is where i'll get a bit specific because WBTB differs between people.

Awakening should be around 5~6 hours after initially sleeping, those times are the most common times that are in the middle of REM sleep. Yours may differ but there's a good chance that it's safe to choose this timeframe to wake up. As for waking up, some may use alarms, others may take advantage of micro-awakenings to wake up.

Microawakenings are periods in your sleep that you naturally wake up in, most noticably after each REM period and each dream, you wake up for a moment or two then fall back asleep. Most people won't remember these awakenings because they're written as dream memory which is erased upon awakening later on. In any case, there are methods to notice these awakenings and use them to your advantage, whether to WBTB or to DEILD, that's up to you.

Alarms, are as they sound like, set up at the time you want them to wake you up. I use a phone alarm with a soft tune instead of a disturbing beeping noise. Your choice.

Now after awakening, the WBTB-length comes to play. Some people recommend staying awake for up to 30 minutes, meanwhile i wake up for around 20 seconds only. Experimentation. Regarding what to actually do during the time you're awake, it's mostly simple stuff but i'd rather tell you to search up a WBTB tutorial for that one because i don't want to spread misinformation by mistake.

I agree with TheAssassin56. WBTB is good after about 5 hrs. That is my average although I have had LDs after 3 and a half hrs or 6 and a half hrs. As far as how long to stay awake...it is long enough to really wake up and not be totally drousy, but not so much you cant fall back asleep either. That means it is totally individual. 5 mins for me...30 mins for others. And even with me it depends on how tired I am. If too tired I forget it and go for another night, as well-rested works best.

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As far as how long to stay awake...it is long enough to really wake up and not be totally drousy, but not so much you cant fall back asleep either.

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This point is important. If 5 or 15 seconds are enough to get one's mind to be awake and alert, then that's good. I used to do extremely short WBTBs, as such i would wake up and turn off the alarm with my mind awake, then go back to sleep. Those also surprisingly are the ones that made me lucid a lot in the first place. In the end, lucid dreaming is more about the person instead of the techniques. The methods are useful only when applied to one's own phsychology, or for a lack of better word, it's all according to one's preferences. And like i previously said, don't bother trying to WILD at bedtime unless you just want to see what could happen.

Good luck on your journey.. I'm leaving it here.