About WBTB

I tried a WBTB combine with WILD and had a success the first night. I was up for about 30 minutes on this site reading through threads then went to bed, repeted mantra etc. It worked so i like to keep doing it, but would it be enough to just be up for a couple of minutes instead of half an hour? Or would it not be enough?

What are your thoughts?

It might be enough, but then again it might not. The only way to know for sure is to try! There's nothing wrong with trial and error.

Dolphin was correct to suggest that you experiment, GoatHammer, but keep in mind while you do of the purpose of WBTB: it is intended to be a period where you are able to gather enough wakefulness to sustain a WILD dive while still remaining in your sleep cycle. This means that you have to be careful not to wake up too much and lose your sleep cycle, but also that you are sure to be awake enough to succeed with your WILD. The balance is critical, but it also tends to favor being up for at least 15 minutes -- and it sort of demands that you actually get up out of bed.

Part of your interest in keeping your WBTB short may come from a powerful urge to go right back to sleep and continue your sleep cycle naturally -- with no lucidity. It may be very tempting, then, to stay up for just a couple of minutes, and very annoying to stay up for 30 minutes. It is a very good thing to fight the temptation, because that may just be your body insisting that you go back to sleep before you gather enough wakefulness; it's also a good thing to make the "up time" as pleasant as possible (though you should stay away from your phone, TV, and other things that might wake you too much).

Finally, you may have hit on your WBTB "sweet spot" on your first try; if I were you I would experiment with slightly less up time (like, 25 minutes) next time, and don't go straight for a couple of minutes. You could also experiment with what you do during WBTB to make the time interesting enough that the time passes without a strong desire to go back to bed, but you also retain your sleepy/dreamy state of mind.

Thanks for the advise.

From personal experience, 30 minutes is the sweet spot for me. That said, I have had success with 5-minute long as well as (unintentional) 2-hours long WBTBs. Like Dolphin said, trial and error. Try different things and see what works best for you