This has always been a sort of confusing subject.. is it possible to just have a dream that you're in a lucid dream or is it really a lucid dream just not vivid. :)
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This has always been a sort of confusing subject.. is it possible to just have a dream that you're in a lucid dream or is it really a lucid dream just not vivid. :)
It is possible for a lucid dream to not be vivid.
A false lucid dream is a dream where the dreamer seems like they know they are dreaming but they really don't because they don't recognize that they are dreaming. For example, a false lucid dream might consist of a dreamer trying out their lucid dream superpowers without ever coming to the realization that they are dreaming. This realization is what separates a real lucid dream from a false lucid dream.
There are levels to it, as I have noticed. You can be aware that you are dreaming and, as dolphin said, even try your lucid superpowers, but still interact with the dream characters, etc, as if you didn't even know what the definition of a dream was. Or sometimes, I'm not even aware that I am dreaming, but somehow know I'm in a world where my actions don't have consequences. And there's also the occasional not vivid/not stable lucid.
Anyway, the way you put it seems interesting. Having a non-lucid dream that you are in a lucid dream? Kinda reminds me of what I've heard some skeptics about lucid dreaming say: "people dream that they know they are dreaming, then they dream that they decide to wake up. That's a lucid dream." But that doesn't convince me... I've been in there man, haha. I know that it is much more than just a weird illusion. But now we're just probing into the nature of consciousness itself. :)
I believe I've had dreams sometimes that appeared to be nonlucid dreams of going to sleep and then having a dream with lucidity “inside” the nonlucid dream, and/or waking up into a nonlucid false awakening after the lucid segment, just in case that's what the OP meant. It seems like the first post could be interpreted in a few different ways.
Lucid dreaming is definitely a real phenomenon, as far as I'm concerned, though it might be possible (I suppose it's sort of controversial) to have a dream that seems to have all of the signs of lucidity without actually being a lucid dream. It may sound paradoxical and hard to pin down, but I suspect the difference can become a little more clear with time and experience. As an example, I've had a couple of cases of dreams in which I've nonlucidly said something like, “I'm dreaming”, just before being lucid, then realized what I had said and became lucid by being reminded to remember that I was actually dreaming. How could I tell? It's really kind of hard to explain in words; it kind of comes with the experience of being able to recognize what true lucidity “feels” like, I suppose. ;) But the transition between nonlucidity and lucidity in this case seemed pretty clear, and this tells me that simply saying aloud that one is dreaming, at least, doesn't necessarily imply that they truly understand they are (in other words, it's possible for someone to do so without actually being lucid).Quote:
Originally Posted by PRtitohp5
There's a whole thread on this subject, in case anyone's interested (I believe this is the right one regarding this): http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...ise-proof.html