No LDs! How do you know you are progressing?

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Originally Posted by Tiktaalik

Hi Ant101, I’m trying to induce DILDs also and still fairly new to lucid dreaming but I’ve started having some success so I thought I’d chip in with some of what I’ve learnt.

Like you I was practicing all the techniques I could hoping it would lead to lucidity. I wasn’t seeing any progress at first until I made a couple of significant changes. First off I relaxed my approach (I see you’ve done this recently) I still practiced the odd reality check through the day but I cut down from around 10 to no more then 5 and did these whenever something out of the ordinary happened in my daily life that made me think “hu? That’s odd?” (This is usually the feeling that triggers lucidity in my dreams) Other then that I stopped all day time practice and focused purely on the evening/ night. Before bed I’d spend a good hour getting excited about lucid dreaming by reading threads on Dream views or going over old DJ entries. This means it’s fresh in my mind and all I can think about before bed is getting lucid. Then as I’m laying in bed all I do is simply repeat my intent to get lucid or recall my dreams. Then I relax and go to sleep whilst thinking about lucid dreaming. I noticed a massive improvement in my recall, vividness and lucidity after doing this and I believe it’s down to a more relaxed, enjoyable and stress free approach and getting super excited about it before bed.

I noticed the first signs I was getting there when I started dreaming more vividly and seeing recurring dream signs. Then I started dreaming about lucid dreaming. I wasn’t lucid yet but a lot of my dreams had a lucid element to them. For example I had a dream I was talking to a friend about lucid dreaming and one where I asked a monk what the best mantra would be. The final step seemed to be I would notice things are odd in the dream but I couldn’t quite put my finger on why? (I see you’re here now and probably so close!) Then all of a sudden one night it happened I got lucid by noticing I was in New York even though I live in the UK. I did a reality check and became lucid and enjoyed my first DILD.

Now I’d like to say that’s all I had to do and lucidity came easily after that but it wasn’t the case. I didn’t start to see regular lucid dreams until I began WBTB. A few people have already suggested this and I believe it’s the best short cut to lucidity. I understand for some people this is difficult and maybe a big sacrifice but it really doesn’t have to take long. Just wake up, recall your dreams, maybe go to the toilet and then remind yourself you want to have a lucid dream with a mantra or just by setting your intent and then go back to sleep. I only usually wake for 5 minutes - 10 minutes tops and it greatly increases my chances especially in the early hours of the morning. It just helps to wake yourself up and remind yourself you want to get lucid. If you only do this before bed then you have to carry that intention through the night and it can be easily lost. I think to master DILDs without WBTB would require a lot of day time practice (I’m no expert though). I have also trained my mind to wake me up through the night to perform WBTB so I don’t need alarms. This can be achieved whilst intent setting before sleep and usually works for me. I sleep with my partner so I avoid alarms so I don’t wake her in the night which she wouldn’t appreciate!

So my main tips -

- Relax the approach
- Get excited about dreaming before bed
- Set an intent before bed
- WBTB for 5 minutes and remember the intent.

This is just my opinion based on my experience of course and may only work for me but it could work for you. I am now achieving on average 1 lucid dream a week with these methods. I understand your frustration and I still feel it often but it’s worth it when they do start coming. I think you’re nearly there from what you’ve said. So I hope you start getting regular lucids soon. 🙂

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Hi tiktaalik,

Thanks for your post, this Is very helpful and reassuring. Since I’ve started utilising WBTB I have seen an increase in progress. My current approach is This : Mon + Tuesday very little day and pre- bed practice, wed-Thurs normal day practice and pre- bed practice. Fri,sat,sun usual day practice,pre bed practice and WBTBs. ( 2- 4 wake ups)

Fri-sun night practice : replaying my last and only Lucid Remembering feelings of how it felt ,
then visualising becoming lucid In a new lucid dream trying to create some body felt positivity/excitement/confidence and then as I fall asleep I say a mantra ( WILD) to edge my bets I had a dream recently where I felt like I had just nodded off before the dream and in the dream I was telling DCs “ yeah , I nearly did a WILD but I fell asleep As the dream began”

In short :
• focusing on being more self aware
•develop a positive strong feeling that I will LD tonight.
• trying to increase dream recall through out the week.
• RC - when I see something dream like or reoccurring DS.

I’m very keen to develop the level of self awareness so I can recognise the dream world rather than relying on reoccurring DS and LD without WBTB but on reflection For now may be that’s a Bit advanced and in the mean time I should focus on creating the habit of becoming lucid in the easiest way possible so my mind is familiar with how it feels what it looks like etc.

Tiktaalik and anyone else who wishes to comment

How many WBTB Do you per night and how many nights per week?

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Originally Posted by Ant101

Hi tiktaalik,

Thanks for your post, this Is very helpful and reassuring. Since I’ve started utilising WBTB I have seen an increase in progress. My current approach is This : Mon + Tuesday very little day and pre- bed practice, wed-Thurs normal day practice and pre- bed practice. Fri,sat,sun usual day practice,pre bed practice and WBTBs. ( 2- 4 wake ups)

Fri-sun night practice : replaying my last and only Lucid Remembering feelings of how it felt ,
then visualising becoming lucid In a new lucid dream trying to create some body felt positivity/excitement/confidence and then as I fall asleep I say a mantra ( WILD) to edge my bets I had a dream recently where I felt like I had just nodded off before the dream and in the dream I was telling DCs “ yeah , I nearly did a WILD but I fell asleep As the dream began”

In short :
• focusing on being more self aware
•develop a positive strong feeling that I will LD tonight.
• trying to increase dream recall through out the week.
• RC - when I see something dream like or reoccurring DS.

I’m very keen to develop the level of self awareness so I can recognise the dream world rather than relying on reoccurring DS and LD without WBTB but on reflection For now may be that’s a Bit advanced and in the mean time I should focus on creating the habit of becoming lucid in the easiest way possible so my mind is familiar with how it feels what it looks like etc.

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Happy you found it helpful and I’m glad you’re seeing progress. 🙂 The moment you describe where you were recalling your dreaming experiences to DCs is exactly the kind of thing that started recurring more often when I started to see success so again it’s a good sign that your mind I s thinking about lucid dreaming it’s just not quite got that spark of awareness yet that brings it on.

I think your bullet points are on the right track with what you should be concentrating on. I’m still fairly new and working on improving my awareness as well. From what I’ve read from senior members on here it’s the real key to improving lucidity but can take years to improve and perfect.

Currently doing this 7 days a week. Ive become a little obsessed though and not sure if this passion for it will last forever but for now it’s all I can think about and couldn’t bare to have a night off. I’m doing similar to you and around 2-5 wake ups a night and these vary in lengths depending on how tired I am. As I’ve said most success I’ve had comes in the last 2 hours of sleep and thats when the mind is most aware and the REM cycles are longer. My earliest lucid dream though came after 3.5 hours sleep but that has only happened once.

I usually know when I’m going to get lucid when certain things happen in the night.

1. I wake up more often in the night naturally.

2. My dreams are vivid and easily recalled.

3. The dreams have a lucid element to them (Talking about the subject in the dream or questioning things a bit more).

The mystery though is how I bring about these perfect nights when the stars seem to align! That’s what I’m still trying to figure out. As I’ve said I’m currently on 1 lucid a week (though I’ve just had my first week with 2!) I started to wonder if tiredness was playing a part and the night I woke more and recalled more was the night I became lucid and then the rest of the week I’m exhausted and catching up on sleep till the next one. (Just a theory). I’ve just been given some really helpful advice from Silence11 on a different thread about WBTB. May be worth a read. (Link below)

https://www.dreamviews.com/attaining...ny-advice.html