SSILD is becoming Academical!

SSILD by Cosmiciron(Zhang G. X.-L) compared to MILD by LaBerge.

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Conclusion

Findings provide the strongest evidence to date that the MILD technique is effective for inducing lucid dreams. Findings indicate that the SSILD technique is similarly effective. In contrast, RT appears to be an ineffective lucid dream induction technique – at least for short periods such as 1 week in the present study.

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You can read the full research here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7379166/

Cosmiciron getting his name next to experts like LaBerge, can you believe it:D

I think is time somebody around here to create a thread fully dedicated to SSILD and start teaching people, like for an WILD and MILD:chuckle:

Oh that's a cool find Micheal! I hope members continue to share lucid dreaming research here on the forum. Is there a particular story to how you came upon this one?

I'm not familiar with Cosmiciron; who are they?

Those are some very interesting findings! I'm surprised that although both MILD and SSILD are similarly effective, there is no benefit of using both. Generally, that could mean that they act through the same pathway or that they each reach the effect plateau (the maximum result). Yet, I would imagine both to act in complete different ways... MILD, making use of prospective memory, and SSILD, making use of... vigilance?

It's possible that the hybrid technique was not well calibrated... Perhaps it would have been better to start by setting the intention and then do SSILD. SSILD is very passive/observatory and interrupting it constantly by setting an intention might have rendered it useless. [This would explain the lack of synergy observed in the hybrid group]

Also, in both cases, they used WBTB. I wonder if MILD (and SSILD for that matter) is still effective if used before falling asleep before the night rather than 5 hours into the night sleep (that is, without WBTB). Or I wonder, if in both cases, it's only just WBTB that is effective, as long as it's paired with a cortical-activity-enhancing activity such as setting an intention (MILD) or focused attention (SSILD). [This would explain the plateau effect seen in the hybrid group]

Fascinating read, thanks for sharing. Don’t you wish there were more scientific studies like this! SSILD is not something I have attempted before but it has certainly peaked my interest now.

After I researched a little bit around here, I must say "sorry" about posting this thread here, especially since I found that Cosmiciron was hated by some individuals on this forum. Next time I will be more mindful before posting someone else Success and in result hurting the pride of those individuals.

^^ That's okay, Micheal; the folks who had issues with CosmicIron, and if I remember right they were fairly petty issues at that, are long gone. And besides, even if they were still here, if SSILD is a valid technique, then they should swallow that pride and let progress happen here. Also, I think CosmicIron did have a full-blown tutorial for SSILD on DV; if it's still around, it might be a good idea for Admin (if they're still around, of course!) to make it a "sticky" and add it to the tutorials.

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Originally Posted by Occipitalred

I'm not familiar with Cosmiciron; who are they?

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CosmicIron was a member here at DV (and successful LD instructor elsewhere, if I can remember correctly), from several years back, who laid claim (with some dispute, as Michael noted) to the invention of SSILD. I'm not sure if the dispute was ever resolved, but I guess he's been able over time to "officially" gain credit as its creator.

It's nice to know that Science is still interested in LD'ing!

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Originally Posted by Sageous

Also, I think CosmicIron did have a full-blown tutorial for SSILD on DV; if it's still around, it might be a good idea for Admin (if they're still around, of course!) to make it a "sticky" and add it to the tutorials.

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Can you do it instead, you are moderator after all, isn't it:uhm:

But what do you mean I see the Admin listed every day!?

This one you mean? here: https://www.dreamviews.com/induction...eam-ssild.html

^^ That's the one; thanks for grabbing it!

Thank you for linking that, very relevant to some of my recent thoughts. Something I needed to find but wasn't aware of, basically. :)

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Originally Posted by Sageous

Also, I think CosmicIron did have a full-blown tutorial for SSILD on DV; if it's still around, it might be a good idea for Admin (if they're still around, of course!) to make it a "sticky" and add it to the tutorials.

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That would be great! If it weren't for that tutorial I probably wouldn't be around. After reading it (and I can't even remember how I found it back then), I did the cycles the next night and went lucid for the first time. SSILD really was the key to lucid dreaming for me :)

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I think there are better ways of inducing Dilds from Ssild, because primary Ssild was made for inducing trance like state for Wilds and maybe as side effect you can have a occasional Dild, but if we primary target to have a Dild, another way can be more productive. In my case senses are even more important, let's first see on what the original Ssild is focusing on:
Vision) blackness behind eyelids, potentially inducing Visual HH
Hearing) on sound, potentially inducing auditory HH
Tactile) on weight of your body or the feeling of blankets over your body, potentially inducing Tactile HH

Now for Wild you want to have continues awareness from wakefulness to sleeping, so on some point your body must fall asleep while doing the cycles to have a successful one.
So your eyes must be closed to be able to fall asleep, but let's look at the other two senses, regardless of what you are doing they are always On, even while you are sleeping, but with closed eyes you can't see, so that sense is not fully functional. Now if we change just one step, all of three senses can be fully active. So it becomes like this:
Vision)Focus with open eyes at the space in front you, without moving your eyes around, they must be relaxed the entire time.(you can blink)
Hearing)Focus on sounds around you, but in lazy manner without analysing them.
Tactile)Focus on your body weight or the weight of yours blankets on your body.

One cycle must be around 5-15 seconds and 3-4 cycles must be made. Then you just fall asleep and expect to make a RC next time you are dreaming.
During the cycles you may experience the feeling that you want to close your eyes, but must keep them open, of course you can gently blink and slowly open them again, you can get a feeling that you get more and more sleepy, but you must complete at least 3-4 cycles and then fall asleep. If you are feeling that you getting too awake, you can shorten the cycles.

The target is when fall asleep to suddenly become lucid for no reason or you can have a FA, so remember to make a RC.

Grounding on all three senses, you are inducing a Dild through Vigilance.

For example during my childhood I occasionally was having a LD after a scary movie, because I was over vigilant. I was focusing on my room, I was focusing on sounds around me, I was focusing on my body, which were stimulating my senses.