My take on WILD (Learn to skip those vibrations!)

My take on WILD

I'm going to offer some information about my personal experiences with WILD, since they seem to differ alot from the majority of others, and may provide some more insight on WILD.

I don't think it is necessary to feel the unwanted side effects of going through the WILD process. For example: I can be lying in bed and go straight from a waking state into a Lucid dream without feeling any weird vibrations, or hearing strange noises. It seems a lot of people are turned off because of horror stories related with the paralysis and scary imagery / sounds. If that part of the WILD could be skipped, for those that don't want to experience it, it would be beneficial.

Last night I decided to attempt a WILD and actually wait for the wierd vibrations and sounds. (I do this occastionally because I find it fun, and it's usually not a negative experience) I say waited for the weird vibrations / paralysis and sounds, because there is a transition point where I have not yet had the opportunity to experience anything negative associated with the WILD, but yet know I'm dreaming or am in a "dream preparation" state. I believe that before the onset of perceived / felt paralysis and strange sounds, you are indeed already paralyzed. It is the realization of this that allows you to totally skip the negative effects associated with the WILD and still have extremely vivid lucid dreams.

I tested this. Like I said, I wanted to WILD WITH the vibrations / noises. I let myself slowly drift off when suddenly I realized that I could see, basically, my dream eyes were working and were looking at precisely what would be in my room as if my eyes were open in real life. Well if I'm trying to fall asleep, my eyes surely shouldn't be open. This worked as an automatic reality check. At this point I knew I could get up and move my dream body around. I'm already lucid. Then came the onset of the FEELING of paralysis, the intense vibrations and some of the most disturbing imagery I've ever had to deal with. It was ridiculously scary. Knowing what it was, it didn't affect me so much because I was anticipating it. I then endured the rest of the transition, but was put out of the dream at the end because of the intensity and lack of concentration.

I woke up, went to get some water, and went back to sleep. I wanted to test WILDing without having to wait for the vibrations. Much as I expected, there was a point before I would normally feel the onset of paralization where I knew I was in my pre-dream state. My dream eyes again were working (much like an FA). This not being possible if I were asleep (real eyes should be closed), I decided to get out of my dream bed and go about my lucid dream totally skipping over any vibrations and or disturbing voices I could have experienced had I waited the WILD process out. Basically, my real self is already paralyzed before I feel or sense the paralysis and vibrations going into effect.

The only real downfall with this, is most of the time the dream starts off in your room or wherever you are sleeping. For those people that have trouble going to places they would rather dream about, it may be more difficult to have fun and see the things they want to see.

I'm curious if anyone else would like to try this and hopefully verify what I've found besides myself. I'm 100% certain you can WILD without the vibrations and having to deal with anything negative. I'm just hoping someone else can repeat the experience.

I'll give it a go this weekend. Weekdays don't include enough sleep time for me :)

Fascinating!
So it is only the thought and realization that causes the feelings to initiate? If that is so and what you describe applies to all then it sure is a big plus to the WILDing process.

However, I am curious...what you describe seems like forcing yourself into a dream. Meaning that you enter your hypnagogic imagery...even though I don't really see a difference between hypnagogic imagery and dreams since they seem to follow the same logic and happen independant of one's consciousness.

Perhaps the classification of "hypnagogic imagery" and "dreams" shouldn't be so accurately split into two different concepts?

Hey. I just wanted to say: It sounds like you're about to have a OBE, I don't think that is your "dream self", it could be your "astral self". Maybe you're having fake/real OBE's but you think it's just a dream that you gained lucicidy in. I don't know though, just a thought.

I've always speculated that the sensations experienced during transition are caused by your concious mind fighting the onset of sleep, that is, it keeps jerking you out of sleep paralysis. Think about normal sleep onset, when you are lying in bed and fall asleep, you lose consiousness and enter sleep paralysis almost instantly. It is not a long drawn out process.

This morning, I conciously decided that I would attempt to WILD without feeling any of the vibrations or hearing any of the noises. I did feel a little bit of vibration, but that was all. It was also a quick transition, maybe a few seconds instead of the normal 10-20 spent transitioning. What was different this morning though, I did not get out of bed or try to wake myself in any way.

I'll experiment more starting in the morning :)

Seeker's definitely on the right track.

There is something that causes those vibrations that can be avoided because it occurs after I realize I've begun the sleep process. If there is anything "dreamlike", sleep paralysis is set in. The onset of sp is near instant, the vibrations aren't an indicator that you are becoming paralyzed, you already are. The hardest part is, realizing that you're actually sleeping and not truly awake. It is also rather difficult to do a reality check because, for me at least, in few cases i have to have a slight bout with the sleep paralysis to "let my dream self" go. It's almost like a physcially forced LD.

In most of the cases I just have to trust that sleep paralysis has already set in (which it always is, but is just hard to trust... you know how it is).

I would say 80% of my WILDs are without strong vibrations and 50% are without any vibration at all.

Thanks for the responses, I really appreciate people looking into this. Seeker keep trying let me know what happens. I'll try this weekend to experiment further.

WILD attempt this morning went right into a false awakening. Problem was, I didn't know it was a FA. I found myself in bed practicing WILD in my FA. I did succeed though. Weird huh, a FA about a successful WILD.

I too, like seeker, have had a WILD take place during an FA that seemed real. Its amazing how tricky consiousness can be. There is so much more to all this than we can even dream is possible. I will have to try to WILD next time without reaching the vibrations. I've been lucky enough not to have any traumatic attempts, but I think learning how to WILD without vibrations and the rest could really help the onironauts journy. Catch ya on the flip side!

Well Blizzz, it seems you are on to something.

I WILDed TWICE this morning, no vibrations either time. Here is what I experienced:

I awoke at about 5:30 for a bathroom break and returned to bed. I must have been keyed up or something, but it took me antil somewhere around 6:30 to get relaxed enough. I bagen be seeing light patterns, and curtains of light against my eyelids and knew that sleep onset was doing to occur soon. As I layed there and relaxed, i began to get HI. A little further on, it stabilized a little bit and I found myself looking at the side o a school building. This is it, I stayed calm and willed myself to relax. I felt a very light tingleing at the base of my spine, which is where the vibrations usually begin for me.

I told myself over and over to relax. I felt the sinking sensation I always feel at the end of the transitional phase, but the HI was beginning to fade. I allowed myself to begin 'daydreaming' about the HI, I imagined that there would be a school yard, a scholl bus, and everything usually associated with a school. I also began to SLOWLY spin. The HI became more stable and suddenly, everything snapped into place and was crystal clear. The sinking sensation stopped instantly at that point as well and I was within an LD.

To celebrate, I decided to go flying :D

The second WILD was a little fuzzier than the first, I suspect I almost lost conciousness during it, but again, no vibrations.

I guess this might quite the people who think you "MUST" go through the vibrations to WILD. The more I try to "map out" dream experiences the more I realize that the possiblilities are endless. The art of dreaming is absolutely fantastic!

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i definitely agree. i'm starting to realize now that if i find hypnagogic imagery occuring, a dream is only just over the horizon.

last saturday morning was my first WILD. basically i found hypnagogic imagery started up, but instead of trying to control it, or thinking too much, like i always do, i just watched. gradually, it formed a restaurant, and i realized i was sitting at a booth. all i could think as i examined various characters insdie was "damn, why didn't anyone tell me you just have to lie back and allow the imagery to bloom into a full blown dream?"

i think realizing it can be a virtually seamless process will be the biggest step forward as far as technique since i started learning LD'ing.

Seeker, that's great!

I'm glad someone else could do it without much trouble. I remember there was another person on the forums that skipped the vibrations consistenly as well. I just don't remember his/her username.

Yesterday morning I tried it again (went into work 2 hours late ;) ) I had 2 successful WILDs without any vibration. I didn't start off the dreams in my room which a good number of them start off in. I started off following the HI into my workplace and that's where the LD began for both of them. The second one I just remade the scene by inducing the HI of my choice (don't ask why i wanted to go to work, i have no idea).

I also did a WILD with the vibrations, but it seems I couldn't hold onto it. I was shot into space with such intensity I could only hold onto it for maybe 15-20 seconds tops. It was incredibly fun though, I was traveling at the speed of light in the middle of what can only be described as a blue plasma tractor "flow". Almost like straight waterslide with reverse gravity (since I was going towards space remarkably fast). Very fun though!

Asher, that's precisely how I WILD as well. Just let the HI develop and maintain focus on it. It's very easy to let your mind slip away because it's got nothing but constant distractions at this phase, so some WILDs will seem so much easier than others.

Ok so this morning I had a serious string of LDs. All of them were WILD. I was lucid for just over an hour of regular real time if you add them all up.

100% of them were vibrationless. However, there were also some disturbing ones.

This morning I would say i slipped into and out of LDs probably a total of 25-30 times.

Some lasting only a few seconds, others for 20 minutes.

Since this thread only deals with skipping the vibrations mainly, I can say 100% for certain there is no reason to have to endure the vibrations. If the vibrations DO happen to start, it is gradual (in my experience) and you CAN stop them from proceeding.

As for disturbing HI or sounds, I'm not so certain you can skip that. This morning I had disturbing sounds and HI that I wasn't able to control, or redirect. I'll look into it further but I'm pretty positive at that point it's not under our control. :?

That makes sense because the vibrations and what not are physical reactions to sleep onset where as the sounds are the same as the HI - mental.

Do you do this w/o WBTB because everytime I do WILD w/o WBTB I get to the point where it seems like I can see through my eyelids then I try to astrally project. . . . . I've also noticed that I never experience HI when I do WILD with WBTB I just don't experience that phase like most others.

Interesting...it was this sort of dream that catapulted my interest in LDing and led me to this site like 2 years ago. I remember I was in my bed one second, watching the darkness behind my eyelids, and then BAM a beach started forming and then all other manner of things just fell into the picture. I didn't have to do anything but sit back and enjoy the view :wink:

What you're describing sounds an awful lot like this method. I think some sort of combination of the two would be a great idea for a new method of sorts.

Hmm, this explains why my WILD method doesn't involve any nasty sensations then.
I tend to use hypnosis/meditation techniques, and use visualisation of opening my eyes and starting the dream. Starting the dream before feeling for the sensations may be why then...interesting theory ;)

BTW, I usually imagine I'm on a raft in the ocean, and feeling the waves. I have my eyes closed and lying on my back.
Once you feel you have the sensations spot on, you imagine the raft washing up onto the shore, and open your eyes to look around.
If the dream is very weak or empty, imagine yourself back on the raft and take a bit more time on it.

The negative effect I have from such a wake induced method is that it doesn't seem nearly as deep as a dream induced lucid for me.

Hey, thanks for the great info!

I also think that HI and dreams are closely related. Actually, I believe that ANY type of hallucination is just a type of dream manifesting itself in waking life.

Anyway, I am also intently working on WILD. My biggest question would be how do you maintain focus on the imagery long enough for it to form into a dream? I usually get to the point of random colors and flashes...and I RARELY get to the point of seeing more vivid swirling and other patterns show up. After this, I guess I just fall asleep accidentally.

Any ideas? :?

I agree--I tried this last night, and I saw frequent HI, or minidreams, like flashes of a landscape, or someone in a flower garden digging, but never for more than a couple seconds at the most. I tried to focus on and zoom in some of the images but they fade away.

So, while I saw dozens of these little flashes, some no more than a split second image, I eventually fell alseep, and wasn't able to climb into any of them.

Is there a particular way we should focus or not focus?

After I fell truly asleep my dreams were non-LD.

JSmithPI

Thanks for this thread, btw! Great inside into WILD. :-P

The vibrations are not required at all. In fact every time i have successfully done a WILD it was without any vibrations. I think it has to do with how relaxed physically and metally you are about the whole thing. The other night i felt so great, i was probably 100% relaxed and i easily went into a dream about 30 minutes after i had gone to bed. It was strange because i was having some trouble with WILD. Last night i tried it again but my legs got uncomfortable, the other night i didn't have to worry about that.

To get to some of those questions above, I notice that not all HI is the same. There are certain times it will completely materialize for me without trying to hard (EASY HI) and the kind that wants to blur away / send me to sleep (HARD HI). With enough concentration, you can WILD through both.

I've noticed with HARD HI, that you can let it slip away... don't worry, because more HI will come after that. Sometimes concentrating too hard works against you. I've let countless HI slip by if i didn't feel I could get into the dream that way. Sometimes that may not work though. Nothing is 100%.

In the morning seems to be the best time to try this, although I've had a few successes at night which can be extremely rewarding due to the amount of time you have to LD that night :)

This is a very nice find, Blizzz. I'm new to LD'ing, and I'm wondering if any of you had your first LDs through the WILD method. I've tried WBTB and MILD a few times, but with no success yet. I want to try a WILD, but maybe I should wait until I've experienced an LD first?

VERY INTERESTING!!!!! I'm going to give this a go and see what happens with me...read what happened with my WILD attempt last night, I just posted it.

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This is a very nice find, Blizzz. I'm new to LD'ing, and I'm wondering if any of you had your first LDs through the WILD method. I've tried WBTB and MILD a few times, but with no success yet. I want to try a WILD, but maybe I should wait until I've experienced an LD first?

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WILD is probably your best shot for your first LD. Mine was :)