Attaining Full Lucidity

Thanks to you guys, I've almost mastered becoming Lucid. Thanks so much for all of your help! I should have plenty of sleeptime over the holidays, so I think I should have it mastered pretty soon. :)

However, there's still one final barrier.

Last night, I became Lucid for the fourth or fifth time. I woke up after five hours' sleep, got up, drank some milk, went to bed, and tried to WILD.

To be honest, I can't actually remember if I ever lost conciousness... I have a hunch that I didn't, though.

I remember suddenly realising that I was standing in the corridor outside of my room (quite a strange sensation). And that it was daytime. So, I did an RC, and obviously it was successful. On a side note, would you say that this was a WILD..? It's kind of hard to explain what happened, but I think some of you might understand... There wasn't a clear cut transition, you see. It's all very vague... all of a sudden, I realised that I wasn't in bed any more.

Anyway, after become Lucid, I went downstairs, and pulled a bar of chocolate out of my pocket (I always do this when I first become Lucid. Kind of a gimmik, really. Taking the mick out of the fact that people pay lots of money for sweets and I can just conjure them at will... :P). I looked at the scenery. It was pretty realistic.

However, this is where my problem occurs. As always, I wasn't actually fully Lucid. I hadn't really realised that I was dreaming, in a sense. The dream just went downhill from here. I simply went out into the garden and laid in the shed until I woke up (of all the bloody things :D ).

So, here is my question: What can I do to get fully Lucid?

I heard that shouting that I'm dreaming and that I have full control should work, but I did actually try this at the start of the dream, and it can't of had that much of an effect...

I look forwards to hearing your solutions. I know I'm really close. I've just got this one last step to overcome.

Many thanks,
Xei.

The last few lucids I had where very lucid by simply rubbing my hands together really fast and hard, until it kinda burns. I dunno if you've ever tried it but when you rub your hands together really hard and fast it gets pretty hot. : /

It worked for me....

Ahh, I think I heard of that technique before. I'll be sure to use it next time. Many thanks! :)

Keep them coming. ;)

Before you go to sleep try to give yourself a task to do when you become lucid.

It should be something you can't do in waking state (e.g fly, walk through walls).

Recalling this task in the lucid dream will connect you to more of your conscious state, and help prevent fully dreaming.

(I've tried shouting things in lucid dream, but it didn't work for me. Maybe a degree of belief in the technique is required.)

Those are all very interesting, I'll have to use them once I eventually becaome adept in LDing.

hey guys. i think i found a pretty good way to ensure that you have a lucid dream. what you do is you buy some type of alarm that vibrates, set it to go off in 30 min intervals throughout the day and put it in your pocket. everytime it vibrates in the day you do a reality check. when you are about to go to bed you set it to go off in about 5 hrs when you are in rem sleep and put it in your pajama pocket. the vibration should carry into your dream and you would remember to do a reality check becoming lucid. let me know what you think.

It's an idea, but it has been done before. The problem is if it carries over into your dreams.

WBTB has just as a good a sucess rate.

I think you're right there. One tip I could give you, is just ASSUME you are dreaming. There is a definite clear cut difference between the real world and dream world. It's like how you 100% know that you are awake in the real world... you can tell.

When you are dreaming however, it's not so easy to pick up on. This is why when I WILD I always assume that I am dreaming. I don't bother with reality checks anymore, because once you learn to assume you're dreaming, you don't need them. I can be very sure that i'm not in a dream, but since I assume I'm dreaming I just go ahead and do whatever I want to, like try to walk through a screen door or something that's not possible.

Does that make sense?

Hmm... I think it does, but it's not really what I'm trying to get answered...

You see, my main problem is that I do realise that I'm dreaming, but I don't really act on it... I don't fully realise the full implications, you see?

That's the best I can describe it...

As to becoming more lucid in your dreams:

Some of these have already been mentioned:
1) Have a goal to achieve
2) Run your hands along the walls and floors. Focus your attention on your hands and the sensations. Only after you feel this vividly, look around at your scenery
3) Spin wildly on the spot. It's unclear to me if you should close your eyes or not.
4) Shout out loud 'CLARITY!'. This has a huge effect on me - a growing, green, crackling forcefield of energy expands away from me.

Each person is different, and one or another of these will work less or better than then next guy :)
It takes some experimenting and practice. ;)

PS: Also be careful that you don't become too conscious - this will wake you up. It's a fine art to become highly lucid and not awaken other parts of your consciousness that need to stay dormant. It just takes practice :)

That's a great help, thanks Placebo! :)

I'll try and remember all of these things when I get Lucid next time. I'm off to bed very soon. I'll post next at four in the morning when I'm WBTBing. ;)

Edit: Bah, I fell asleep when I woke up at four last night. I was too worn out to WBTB. ;)

Well, I've had some rest now, so I should manage tonight. Wish me luck. I have a feeling that this could be the night! All I have to do is WBTB (which works 80% of the time), and when I do a sucessful RC, I use these methods that you guys have given me. Simple. :)

I hate WBTB. I don't like getting out of bed, I feel so combfortable and warm. Its unLeavable for me.

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Originally posted by HoppyPotty
I hate WBTB. *I don't like getting out of bed, I feel so combfortable and warm. Its unLeavable for me.

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Yeah, I used to agree with you. Now I'm one of the nutters that are practicing polyphasic sleep (sleeping 6 times a day with 24 minute naps)

This may seem to be off topic. But after very much thought, discussion and experience, I do wonder if lucid dreaming is the correct terminology for this. :shock: Yes.
Ponder over this with a very open mind.
Few.... if any understand, but hey! Just some food for thought.

Full Lucidity = FOUND

to gain full lucidity look around your dream environment thinking "i made this" and look at the vivid designs of the wood on the wall, the millions of dirt particles on the ground, and then be amazed as you think "i did this, this is all in my head" this should give you lucidity

the WILD thing where you find yourself in a hallway, i do this almost every WILD, i dont lose conciousness, but there is a gap in memory (ok, ok, i lose conciousness) but i still consider this a WILD because the gap is so short its like it never happened (you still carry just as much conciousneess into the dream) but it is important to note that when i do actually not have this gap, my LD is slightly more vivid (just slightly) but that doesnt matter because with a series of different things they're all as vivid as life

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24216

full lucidity is not something we attain in the dream, its something we attain in reality


the buddah said he was awake when questioned

i think there is more to that than you think

i think we are bombarded with the answer to the ultimate question of what is reality all the time

"Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream, merily, merily, merily, merily, life is but a dream"


but what do i know

Yes, well... that's all good and well for the Buddha, but I'm more focused on the dream version at the moment. :|

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I hate WBTB. I don't like getting out of bed, I feel so combfortable and warm. Its unLeavable for me.[/b]

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I know, I struggle sometimes too. That's why I failed last night. But I managed tonight thankfully. Now I just have to go WILD.

Wish me luck. :P

[quote]Yes, well... that's all good and well for the Buddha, but I'm more focused on the dream version at the moment. :|

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full lucidity is not something we attain in the dream, its something we attain in reality

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Is not reality as subjective as dreaming?
And a Buddha is a great example to my point. For they are to achieve a level of coherence that does not alter from waking life from the dream state.

true, reality is subjective, but as everyone sees, we are all experiencing an objective set of stimuli, now how we percieve that stimuli is what matters in what we see as real

you also have to take into account that human communication is still incredibly limited, when one explores in different realms and you communicate in those, you see that there is a universal language made up of emotions, those emotions can correspond with different words in your vocabulary, but turn up totally different to someone else as long as it gets the same point across..

point im making is that most human's comprehension is still incredibly limited and at best short sighted (i still have my faults but im beginning to break away, if you will)

perception creates reality


and Xei, you might try to keep in mind that this dimension often bleeds through to the dream world, experiences and especially perceptions, point of views will also bleed through, not just experiences

you have the pov that this is a dream world all the time, that your just a character in a much larger dream than your own and you begin to see a little clearer how this reality is organized, which that as well begins to bleed through to your own dream world

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Originally posted by Gus
true, reality is subjective, but as everyone sees, we are all experiencing an objective set of stimuli, now how we percieve that stimuli is what matters in what we see as real
you also have to take into account that human communication is still incredibly limited, when one explores in different realms and you communicate in those, you see that there is a universal language made up of emotions, those emotions can correspond with different words in your vocabulary, but turn up totally different to someone else as long as it gets the same point across..
point im making is that most human's comprehension is still incredibly limited and at best short sighted (i still have my faults but im beginning to break away, if you will)
perception creates reality

and Xei, you might try to keep in mind that this dimension often bleeds through to the dream world, experiences and especially perceptions, point of views will also bleed
hrough, not just experiences

you have the pov that this is a dream world all the time, that your just a character in a much larger dream than your own and you begin to see a little clearer how this reality is organized, which that as well begins to bleed through to your own dream world

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What does your argument point to? What does it's rebuttal?
I want someone to give me a counter argument that what I proclaim cannot be experienced.
It has all been speculation on what the poster has experienced and the simple evaluation that if you are in a dream you can do anything.
I again reiterate coming to a sense of reprehensible, comprehensible, crystal clear, distinct, evident, fathomable, graspable, intelligible, knowable, unblurred and understandable, which is what lucid means, could be defined any different than our waking life?
I have posted this in any way that I can grasp at this point. Some seem to get the general idea.
Thanks for you thought Gus.