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08-14-2006, 10:55 PM
Hominus Feralis

Im fairly new to this dreaming phenomenon, and i have been experimenting with some of my theories. The past few nights i have been attempting to WILD (without success). Because i am a light sleeper, i set my alarm clock to go off during the non-REM state (so it would be easier to fall back asleep while awake). However, shortly before i fully wake, i experience an extremely short dream or false awakening. Now what im wondering is if the alarm clock could wake a person up from the deep stages of sleep, into REM, and then into waking life (like ascending from the deep end of a pool). Does anyone have any ideas of how to get an alarm clock that only goes off for a short time, ideally only enough to put a person into REM. It should be a failproof way to create REM at any time. That would make me a happy camper.
08-14-2006, 11:31 PM
badassbob

The REM cycle is called a REM "cycle" for a reason. It is (believe it or not) a cycle. The alarm clock would not take you from deep sleep into REM sleep (you would simply just wake up straight away), unless of course it was just about to go into REM anyway. It was a nice idea, but I seriously doubt it could ever work.
08-15-2006, 12:23 AM
Hominus Feralis

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Originally Posted by badassbob

The REM cycle is called a REM "cycle" for a reason. It is (believe it or not) a cycle. The alarm clock would not take you from deep sleep into REM sleep (you would simply just wake up straight away), unless of course it was just about to go into REM anyway. It was a nice idea, but I seriously doubt it could ever work.
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Then how do you explain the short dream sequences and false awakenings directly before I wake up?
08-15-2006, 12:45 AM
Thydron

These short dreams are occuring constantly while you sleep, but because you have been woken up, and your mind is more active, you are able to remember them better. So, its not that the dreams only occur just before you wake up, but that if you didn't wake up, you wouldn't remeber having the dreams.
08-15-2006, 12:52 AM
Hominus Feralis

First i need to explain this false awakening that i had. In the false awakening, i heard the alarm, and when i got up to turn it off, the clock read 1:30. I set my alarm for 5:00. It wasnt like i remembered the dream after i woke. It was directly before. But who knows. I might be wrong.
08-15-2006, 02:00 PM
SKA

REM stages just OCCUR. it's hard to pinpoint when exactly. To attain Lucidity WHILE entering one yould have to find out your REM timing. we have several REM-phases but that last one, just before awakening is the strongest and lasts the longest. Also since we are already slowly getting ready to awaken, our conciousness comes back slowly too: therefor this is Lucid Dreaming PRIME time.

However I haven't yet figured out how to time my REM sleep since I have Insomnia and fall asleep way too deep and cannot exactly pinpoint WHEN I'll be entering the last sleeping phase. I ended up sleeping through my clock, never having heard it. So that the Timing was too soon: I was still in deep sleep. Now if I would fall asleep in a stable constantly same amount of time I could figure out WHEN to set my alarm to go off after 5 hours.

Usually I set my alarm 5 Hours ahead and end up still being awake 2 hours later with the Alarm going off in allready 3 hours: when I sleep WAY too deep still to be able to even awaken from it. I try to go to bed each day before Midnight and out of bed round 8 o' clock to re-stabilise my Sleeping Cycle with some success: at least most nights I can get to sleep withing some time over an hour.

PS: Anyone got any tips for me regarding the Alarmclock when trying to do WBTB-WILD?
08-15-2006, 02:14 PM
Hominus Feralis

PS: Anyone got any tips for me regarding the Alarmclock when trying to do WBTB-WILD?
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Yea man i got a good idea for you. I have an alarm clock that has a vibrating pad that you put under your sheets and pillow. This wakes me up faster and without the annoying siren sound of a conventional alarm clock. Check it out. It'll wake you up for sure
08-15-2006, 03:17 PM
PenguinLord13

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Originally Posted by badassbob

The REM cycle is called a REM "cycle" for a reason. It is (believe it or not) a cycle. The alarm clock would not take you from deep sleep into REM sleep (you would simply just wake up straight away), unless of course it was just about to go into REM anyway. It was a nice idea, but I seriously doubt it could ever work.
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badassbob is right. I have had this thing where the alarm goes off during non-REM sleep, and then I wake up after a short dream, but the reason is that the alarm just won't wake me up during non-REM, and it was going for a good 20 minutes before I naturally entered REM and woke up. It is just a phenomenon of you not waking up until you enter REM most likely.
08-15-2006, 05:44 PM
Rory

What times do we usually have non-REM sleep and what times do we go into REM sleep?
08-15-2006, 07:59 PM
PenguinLord13

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Originally Posted by Rory

What times do we usually have non-REM sleep and what times do we go into REM sleep?
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throughout the night you go through sleep cycles of about 90 minutes each, so basically, you enter REM about every 90 minutes throughout the night. Here is a good diagram showing the sleep cycle:

http://web.lemoyne.edu/~hevern/psy34...leep_cycle.jpg

Keep in mind that REM represents the dream stage, and stages 1-4 are how deep you are sleeping, progressing from relatively light in stage 1 to very deep in stage 4.