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Hello Dreamviews!

I am back, maybe you remember me, maybe you never knew I was gone or even here to begin with!

So I am back with a fascinating idea!

It blew me away and has resparked the kindling of hope of a Blazing Fire of Lucidity!!!

It just came to me tonight so it's not a proven method! (I see your eyes rolling!) ! Though I can say what I will say has come to mind a number of times before this though not in this way! Enigmatic I know!

Let me say what I came here to say!

Ok!

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The OE-REM Lucidity Enhancing Method!

That stands for Open Eye - Rapid Eye Movement Lucidity Enchancing Method!

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What came to me as burning insight was this: I was laying on my mom's couch here in Cali (I'm on vacation!) and my eyes (open) started doing Rapid Eye Movements! I let them continue! and I realized..."I'm dreaming..."..Now mind you I was REALLY awake, not in a dream, but my mind must have been tired or something of the sort, and my eyes were doing REM's! They've done this before! Metaphysically I explain this as I AM DREAMING, because I'm not AWAKENED! But That's not to say I was DREAMING a DREAM. Ok..with that outta the way...

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The OE-REM Lucidity Enhancing Method

While in Bed (or wherever you sleep) either going to sleep or just upon waking:

Keep your eyes open and wait for them to Naturally begin to do REM's. If you feel a natural impulse to rapidly move your eyes then do so! And while the REM cycle plays itself out you may come to bring lucidity to your mind. Your own preference of method should be used here to personalize this method. Whether you want to repeat a mantra: "I am Dreaming".."I am Lucid"..."I am Aware"...Or whether you prefer to use awareness enchancing meditation during the REM, do what you feel is right to enhance lucidity or to trigger a lucid moment within that REM cycle!

I am confident this will work! I've brought it here as not a proven method, but as an experiment for those willing to take it up as a method to work with and see if it enhances your lucidity!

If at any time during the day you feel your eyes naturally desiring to do REM's, then let them! And during that REM cycle bring Lucidity to that moment!

Good Luck!

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DreamDudeDave

Last night was my first night back into the Lucid World. It was also my first night attempting the OE-REM Method (which will from now on be called OE-REMILD: Open Eye - Rapid Eye Movement Induced Lucid Dream)

The results were dreams that I was in a low level of lucidity. I was not lucid dreaming, but I was much more aware of the dream world. I forget the terminology of this...it was a dream where I thought I was awake and not dreaming, so I played out the dream like I would if it was real. Though even that was a state of lucidity that is below that of normal life. But I can definately see results of my lucid awareness level being raised already. Oh yah, I totally forgot that I only slept for 3 hours from 6am-9am. This was because I'm flying back to Utah today and I was hella nervous and couldn't sleep. But when I did sleep I had much raised lucidity! I'm excited about this technique!

Theoretically it works on raising your awareness of lucidity during REM cycles through excercising your eyes while awake in a REM fashion. It could be that REM cycles occur naturally throughout the day. Watch your eyes and when they feel like Rapid Eye Moving, let them, this is when you do this method. During that REM excercise one raises his/her awareness of that lucid state of mind. I think of it as cultivating lucidity. And it also works to trigger lucidity when the REM cycle while sleeping occurs by using a mantra "I am Dreaming." or "I am Lucid." or "I am Aware." or "..." Because the mind will remember: when my eyes are moving rapidly I say or realize "I am Dreaming". And it will trigger that cultivated lucidity that was increased during the OE-REM excercises.

Just before sleep you can perhaps notice a REM cycle that occurs before you actually fall into the deeper sleeps. And during that cycle perhaps you are thinking about things, you know that place inbetween awake and asleep where you are nearly falling asleep and you are thinking on things and sometimes that thought "I'll never get to sleep" comes up, and that is exactly when you fall asleep *LOL*... that is when I believe a REM cycle occurs, that is another opportunity to cultivate lucidity during a REM cycle - though it is not necessarily and OE (open eyes) REM, it certainly is a time when you are more aware than when asleep, and therefore it is a great opportunity to cultivate that lucid awareness required for lucid dreaming.

In short I've already seen progress with the OE-REMILD. Very exciting.

I HAVE HAD THE SAME THINGS HAPPEN. SOMETIMES WHEN I AM NOT READY TO WAKE UP, BEFORE I OPEN MY EYES I CAN FEEL THEM RAPIDLY MOVING, RIGHT BEFORE I PASS OUT AGAIN.

RELIZING THESE THINGS ARE GREAT THANK YOU!!!

YOU'RE WELCOME AWESOME GIRL! I'M GLAD THAT SOMEBODY ELSE CAN CONFIRM THIS!!! THANK YOU!! :)

haha, i've kinda had tha happen to me a few times, but never took it to the nighttime when i was about to fall asleep. i'll go ahead and try it tonight, see how it works out. it seems a lot like the WILD method, but with your eyes open. am i right about that?

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Originally Posted by DreamDudeDave

Hello Dreamviews!

I am back, maybe you remember me, maybe you never knew I was gone or even here to begin with!
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I'm of those who didn't know you existed in the first place, though I do remember seeing your user name somewhere else a while back (probably on some old topic from around the time you joined).

Anyways, cool technique. I'll try it when I go to bed maybe.

.....Wait a second? You're eyes move back and forth while awake?

Mine only do that when my eyes are closed. How can you do it with your eyes open?

You look left quickly, then look right again ? Is this how it's done?

Rapid Eye Movement isn't something you do by yourself. It happens on its own...

Well its not happening for me. Do I just wait with my eyes open and not concentrate on anything?

Ok last night during a dream one my dream characters and I were talking about lucid dreaming, and I was telling about this technique and how my dreams were going, and he said: yah that's how you know you're dreaming. I totally didn't pick up that sign though and so never was lucid. It isn't a surprise though because I was heavily drugged on Valume because I flew from California to Vegas to Salt Lake City and needed to be relaxed, so when I did get to sleep I was too drugged to be lucid or aware. So Night 2: Further Progress

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Originally Posted by Kerian

haha, i've kinda had tha happen to me a few times, but never took it to the nighttime when i was about to fall asleep. i'll go ahead and try it tonight, see how it works out. it seems a lot like the WILD method, but with your eyes open. am i right about that?
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Yah it is very much like a WILD, in fact the last two nights I've almost fallen into a WILD. There are several differences with the OE-REMILD. While in bed and waiting to fall asleep, when you begin to notice you are drifting off, try to remain aware of yourself and wait and see if your eyes begin to do REMs. When they do begin to REM start to cultivate lucid awareness in that REM cycling. Bring awareness to that moment, notice how your eyes are Rapidly Moving. You can do this with your eyes closed just as easily as open (so the name of this method will need changing). It's all about cultivating lucid awareness during a REM Cycle. When you are cultivating lucidity during a REM cycle that you are aware of you are programming your mind to trigger lucidity whenever there is Rapid Eye Movements. Much like programming your mind to habitually do 'Reality Checks'.

Also during a REM cycle that is before/after sleep, you can say an affirmation such as: I'm Becoming Lucid or I'm Dreaming or I'm Becoming Aware or Whatever You Want.

It is like a WILD! This method though is about Cultivating Lucidity so that it may be Triggered during REM cycles in sleep.

And I'm not a scientist so I don't know if there are REM cycles for sure during the day, maybe there are! In my experience my eyes sometimes "dart" around a room. Or when I'm in deep thought my eyes will unconsciously move around 'empty space' rapidly. Are those not Rapid Eye Movements? These are the times when I cultivate Lucidity and do affirmations so that when Rapid Eye Movements happen during sleeping dream time I'll have programmed my mind to trigger and use that cultivated awareness.

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Originally Posted by Kerian

I'm of those who didn't know you existed in the first place, though I do remember seeing your user name somewhere else a while back (probably on some old topic from around the time you joined).

Anyways, cool technique. I'll try it when I go to bed maybe.
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Thanks! Yah I only had 19 posts lol..I thought I had been here longer..*shrugs*..hehe..

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Originally Posted by Kerian

.....Wait a second? You're eyes move back and forth while awake?

Mine only do that when my eyes are closed. How can you do it with your eyes open?
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Yah, they actually do. But it appears that this method can be done with eyes closed just before/after you go to sleep you may find yourself partially aware of a REM cycle. This is when you can cultivate Lucidity and/or even affirm a mantra "I am Lucid." "I am Awake."...Isn't that what Lucid Dreaming is?: Being Awake in your Dream?

Also during the waking day you can maybe find your eyes darting around a room, that could be the same REM cycling that we go through in our sleep. Even if it is just a 'waking' REM ... you can program yourself to become lucid by while consciously rapidly moving your eyes while awake, with eyes open or closed, bring awareness to that moment, and then while asleep and a REM starts, you will have formed a habit in your mind to become Aware during Rapid Eye Movements. It's all about cultivating awareness or programming a trigger.

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Originally Posted by Kerian

You look left quickly, then look right again ? Is this how it's done?
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Left right up down diagnals across. Rapidly. and with Awareness.

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Originally Posted by Kerian

Rapid Eye Movement isn't something you do by yourself. It happens on its own...
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Yep. I have experienced REM while in waking life, on it's own. Here is some metaphysics: If we are able to be awake while dreaming, are we not able to be asleep while awake? The REM I experienced while awake could be a real REM, or maybe it could have been something else, but nevertheless I'm programming my mind to trigger awareness during any REM. Just like the techniques of 'Reality Checks'..whenever you see I light flip the switch..well..whenever my eyes rapidly move..flip the awareness switch.

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Originally Posted by Kerian

Well its not happening for me. Do I just wait with my eyes open and not concentrate on anything?
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Give it some time and don't force anything. While in bed the first night a tried this I notice my eyes didn't move for 45 minutes or so, and then there was a short burst of REMs and then another longer period of no movement at all, then again a short burst of REMs.

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It's apparent now that this doesn't need to be Open Eyes at all. In fact it's probably best if it's practiced eyes closed. Even if you are cultivating the lucid awareness during the day, it's most likely best if you do this eyes closed. Sooo..anyone have a better name?

The Method So Far:

1) Lay down and prepare to dream.

2) Remain aware as you are laying there.

3) Wait, Watch and See for any REMs.

4a) When a REM cycle begins affirm a trigger such as "I Am Becoming Lucid Now."

4b) During the REM cycle cultivate lucid awareness through attention of what is happening in your mind during the REM cycle.

4c) Affirm a second trigger such as "I Am Now Lucid."

5) After the REM cycle: Wait, Watch and See for another REM cycle or fall into sleep (hopefully a WILD).

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And the Trigger Programming & Lucid Cultivation Method:

1) While awake close your eyes.

2) Imitate a REM cycle by rapidly moving your eyes as best you can.

(If your eyes naturally REM for you without your iffluence, that is best)

3) Affirm a Trigger such as "I Am Becoming Lucid."

4) Bring awareness to the moment paying attention to your mind & surroundings, cultivating lucidity.

5) Affirm a second Trigger such as "I Am Lucid."

6) End the excersise when your eyes naturally stop or are tired of rapidly moving.

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Originally Posted by DreamDudeDave

And the Trigger Programming & Lucid Cultivation Method:

1) While awake close your eyes.

2) Imitate a REM cycle by rapidly moving your eyes as best you can.

(If your eyes naturally REM for you without your iffluence, that is best)

3) Affirm a Trigger such as "I Am Becoming Lucid."

4) Bring awareness to the moment paying attention to your mind & surroundings, cultivating lucidity.

5) Affirm a second Trigger such as "I Am Lucid."

6) End the excersise when your eyes naturally stop or are tired of rapidly moving.
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moving my eyes around like that hurts.

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Originally Posted by PenguinLord13

moving my eyes around like that hurts.
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Then do so in a way that doesn't hurt. If you're eyes hurt from REM cycles, then you'd wake up with your eyes hurting.

Wow. Just as I was reading this topic, (while reading the message 3rd above by dreamdudedave) I tried closing my eyes (I am tired....), and doing the REM thing, and my eyes took a life of their own! Cool... I might actually try to use this to help me fall asleep as I find it hard, and I will also tell myself I am lucid.... and that Kerian guy has a funny sig lol. -Stoat

When we are having lessons in my school, I've developed a skill, to tip my chair, and sleep at the same time. No teacher believes that I can sleep in that position, so they don't notice it. I mostly do it, when we are watching useless movies. I'd only got 6 hours of sleep, so I decided to try it out. I started to move my eyes and then some HI started to appear. Not very strong, mostly shapes and such. I felt like halfsleeping, but I decided to stop, since I get a bad feeling when I am sleeping in lessons :P

So, I think it works and I'm gonna give it some more tries soon enough.
Oh, and while I was doing REM in the lesson, I also closed my eyes "more" and then opened them a bit again, giving a flashlike effect. It improved the HI's alot. Don't open, but you know, do like your close them even more than they already were, so only a bit light can pass through.

^Why don't you try it at home? Getting a chair similar to school chairs would be somewhat hard though. The dining table chairs could work too.

This technique sound good, I tried last night but I don't think I got the eye movement right.

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Originally Posted by _Sapphire_Cross_

^Why don't you try it at home? Getting a chair similar to school chairs would be somewhat hard though. The dining table chairs could work too.

This technique sound good, I tried last night but I don't think I got the eye movement right.
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Cool, I'm glad to hear any results :)

As reguards to the eye movement..I've noticed it's more of a passive moving then active moving. I sort of...let my eyes move where they want. And then bring awareness to my mind and any HI or thoughts. Whenever I get around to doing this, I have close to Lucid Dreams.

LAREMILD

Lucid Awareness Rapid Eye Movement Induced Lucid Dream

While in bed waiting to fall asleep you may notice at some time that your eyes are rapidly moving. Whether they are moving apparently randomly or are watching HI, just noticing that they are moving is equivelent to realizing you are dreaming. During dreams your eyes are rapidly moving, and so to realize your eyes are rapidly moving is to bring awareness to a REM period. Realizing your eyes are moving rapidly will bring awareness suddenly to that moment, and that awareness is the same awareness that happens when you become lucid in a dream. Cultivating that awareness will spill over into your dreams, and then you have a greater potentiallity of becoming lucid and maintaining a stable state of lucidity.

Catching your eyes rapidly moving, you immediately become aware of that moment. You can cultivate awareness in any number of ways. You can affirm statements "I am becoming Lucid."..."I am Aware"..."I am Dreaming.." Or you can meditate and focus attention in the moment while your eyes naturally move how they will.

You can catch your eyes REMing just before sleep, waking in the middle of the night and waiting to fall back asleep, or just upon waking in the half asleep/half awake state.

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There is also the theory that when you catch your eyes moving around a room at objects while in deep thought or just taking in the scenery..that that is in fact a REM cycle during the waking day. You can also bring awareness to what your eyes are doing then..let them keep REMing how the will, and just cultivate lucid awareness.

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Disclaimer: The above is mostly speculation.

hmm strange thing is: Whenever I close my eyes and wish my eyes to do REM-movement deliberately they just do. It's like I'm able to invoke REM at will. any time of the day or night while awake. It's not like I'm moving my eyes conciously. More like when I ALLOW it to happen it WILL happen. I'm trying this tonight after the Reverse blinking method and while having my Mind on Lucidity.

Also I've found that Lucidity increased when I take some time to realise how incredibly cool Lucid Dreams are. Remembering how badly I want to Lucid Dream again. Same if you're shy and don't dare approach a certain girl: just think of how badly you want her in your arms: it'll motivate you a 1000 times better.

I'm trying this in combination of your OE-REM method. I have never tried to let my eyes do REM when they're open, but I'll try N see if it's just as easy for me as allowing my eyes to REM while closed at will.

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hmm strange thing is: Whenever I close my eyes and wish my eyes to do REM-movement deliberately they just do. It's like I'm able to invoke REM at will. any time of the day or night while awake. It's not like I'm moving my eyes conciously. More like when I ALLOW it to happen it WILL happen. I'm trying this tonight after the Reverse blinking method and while having my Mind on Lucidity.
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I just tried just wishing without deliberate movement, and I realized they start moving a little. I think maybe your eyes naturally move when your eyes are closed, and when you wish your eyes to REM move, your attention allows you to notice the fact that they are moving, but this is just a thought. I would be more inclined to believe, if no scientific evidence is present, that it's your wishing is causing your eyes to move, not anything else.

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Originally Posted by PenguinLord13

I just tried just wishing without deliberate movement, and I realized they start moving a little. I think maybe your eyes naturally move when your eyes are closed, and when you wish your eyes to REM move, your attention allows you to notice the fact that they are moving, but this is just a thought. I would be more inclined to believe, if no scientific evidence is present, that it's your wishing is causing your eyes to move, not anything else.
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If you let your eyes REM long enough, they will soon after a time come to a natural stop, and try and think as you might, they will not REM of their own will. Until after a time, that rest point has been resting long enough, then you can REM them again.

I think if you try it while awake it may be better if you are in a relaxed state (theta for instance).

I must try this..

I had this new revelation:

When you are dreaming not lucidly your eyes REM and you have no conscious participation. They go where they want and you don't have any say in the matter. Then when you become Lucid, you move your eyes REMing them where you want to. You look around and actively move your eyes around the dream world.

So during the REMs that we can notice during the day or in bed. While cultivating awareness in during the REMs, taking conscious control of the REM movement, I feel, will produce a DILD.

Ska is right! In fact, I think that Ska is a very deep thinker, and that he deserves to be recognised! I can just imagine him inside the dream interpretation forum, he could come up with 100 interpretations for each dream! His drug usage kinda scares me though....

Oh yeah, I am getting closer to falling asleep in class!!! Wish me luck! -Stoat