Woo, Fild Strikes Again!

ok i just had the best fild of my life! i was gven superpowers as an experiment. then there were these dides hunting me, so i was fighting all of em.... i could not fly, but i actually did fly a little one time. i focused on flying and remembered a post that i saw, and focused my energy on flying up and away, so i flew a little. then i did like 1000 backflips and landed in a perfet handstand and killed the rest of the guys hunting me! :yumdumdoodledum: :yumdumdoodledum: :) :) :) :) :bigteeth: :bigteeth: :bigteeth: :bigteeth:


ok, back to the FILD. i woke up, half asleep. i moved my fingers, but realized that waked me more, so i thought that it might be a dream since i was half awake t=when i stated. so i waited fr a dream patiently, and in a matter of secodsi got control, not just lucidity.

did i do it right, or can i have some tips?

Cool dream about flying :) sounds great. With the FILD its sounds like you gained lucidity so it looks like you don't need any tips.
So congrats :D

but it was kinda weird, like i was awake to the point when i had my dream...

Can someone tell me please what a FILD is? Is there a tutorial somewhere?

There's no tutorial about FILD in the tutorial section... I'd really like to know what it is too...
"Please asist" :)

yer lol me 2... (I just wanted to be populer)

fild stands for finger induced lucid dream. You do a wbtb and just move your pointer and middle finger ever so slightly keep doing this for a while then do a nose rc. and ur supposed to either be dreaming or still awake.
its somthing along those lines. i personally havent had one yet

I've probably become a skeptic since nothing has worked for me in these past 6 weeks, but this method sounds really weird...If I haven't read about you actually having a LD I wouldn't believe it works....I might as well try that too, only two more nights until the weekend :) .

Finger Induced?! :D So how long do you do that for? Till you fall very sleepy?

i guess. i havent been very successful with it. but some say it works very well

When FILD did work for me, I had the best longest lucid ever. Unfortunately it never worked again altho I tried for a long time afterwards. I may start trying again now; it's been a while. Hopefully...

As far as I remember it goes like this:
you go to sleep and wake up after 4/5 hours and when you're getting VERY sleepy again, but still conscious enough to control your finger you start tapping your index and middle finger one at a time. You do this for a maximum of about 5 minutes; you do a reality check and if you're dreaming, great! if not, don't keep on tapping your fingers, that doesn't work, you should wait a bit until you're very sleepy again (doing a reality check while awake wakes you up).
Hope this helps!
I do remember a tutorial though... I'll see if I can find it!

found it! here you go:
http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/index.php?...ic=5270&hl=

What is FILD for me?

It's like taking candy from a baby. It was exactly 9 days ago when I read about lucidity. I never knew anything about it. So this week I tried mostly MILD and a couple times WILD. Yesterday I saw this tutorial about FILD. So, let's give it a try. When I woke up very early in the morning, I forgot about it. But 2 hours later, I remembered.

I had this very vivid and lucid dream that lasted about 20 minutes. I still can't believe it worked in one shot though. Tonight I'll try again.

Congratulations, let us know if it keeps working for you.

ok, i do not get it:

i have been trying FILD over and over again, but it has only worked 3 times total, and the third time itwasnt very lucid.

i woke up, moved my fingers, tried not to think about anything, and it did not work...

wtf is wrong?

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As far as I remember it goes like this:
you go to sleep and wake up after 4/5 hours and when you're getting VERY sleepy again, but still conscious enough to control your finger you start tapping your index and middle finger one at a time. You do this for a maximum of about 5 minutes; you do a reality check and if you're dreaming, great! if not, don't keep on tapping your fingers, that doesn't work, you should wait a bit until you're very sleepy again (doing a reality check while awake wakes you up).
Hope this helps!
I do remember a tutorial though... I'll see if I can find it!

found it! here you go:
http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/index.php?...ic=5270&hl=
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Thanks a lot Luci! :bigteeth: I've read the whole thing and it sounds very interesting, I'm trying it tonight, setting my alarm for 5 am (going to bed at 10, hoping to fall asleep by 10:30) ! So good luck to me...

FILD, that's actually quite interesting.

I've only just woken up after practicing my WILD techniques and felt a new sensation whilst relaxing.

During the HI stage my finger felt. . severed. Sort of like an OBE where my Astral finger was raised above my real finger, I tried moving it around a little but turned back into my real finger again.

Related to FILD?

congratualtions! i just found out about filds yesterday. i tried it last night, but i failed. i couldn't keep my mind from wandering, and it took me too long to fall asleep. got any pointers to a fild newbie?

FILD is a very important technique. Here's why. The portion of the brain called the cerebellum is responsible for all muscular movement. When we fall asleep, it switches off (so we don't physically enact our dreams) and takes on a new function, which is to store dream memories. That is why when we awake, we can stimulate dream recall by moving something such as an arm or a leg -- or a finger. By moving the finger while falling asleep, it appears that we keep a small section of the cerbellum active, which is enough to trigger lucidity.

The big problem with FILD is the reality check. The usual RC, which is to pinch your nose and try breathing through it, is too disturbing if you are not yet asleep and can keep you awake. Perhaps another RC is to try and poke your finger through the bedsheet, and sink it into the mattress. By the way, I myself haven't had any success with FILD, but mainly because I haven't really tried it much. However, I think its a really promising technique and definitely worth exploring.

sounds good. i think my problem last night was that i was waay to anxious so i ruined it for myself by doing RC too much. i think this time i am going to wait for that tingly feeling that people say they get, supposedley signaling that you have moved to dream state.

Best to wait until you feel yourself dozing off. If you wait until you expect to feel tingling, it may be too late.

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FILD is a very important technique. Here's why. The portion of the brain called the cerebellum is responsible for all muscular movement. When we fall asleep, it switches off (so we don't physically enact our dreams) and takes on a new function, which is to store dream memories. That is why when we awake, we can stimulate dream recall by moving something such as an arm or a leg -- or a finger. By moving the finger while falling asleep, it appears that we keep a small section of the cerbellum active, which is enough to trigger lucidity.

The big problem with FILD is the reality check. The usual RC, which is to pinch your nose and try breathing through it, is too disturbing if you are not yet asleep and can keep you awake. Perhaps another RC is to try and poke your finger through the bedsheet, and sink it into the mattress. By the way, I myself haven't had any success with FILD, but mainly because I haven't really tried it much. However, I think its a really promising technique and definitely worth exploring.
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extra-extra awesomastic explanation, Zen.

I had to get up 6.30 am these last couple days, so this morning was the first time I could give it a try again.

Today I failed to get a good lucid dream and by looking back on the events, I know exectly what went wrong. I woke up around 7.00 am. While I was laying in bed, my mind wasn't relaxed at all. My finger-movement kept me awake. So I just went back to sleep. Woke up an hour later and I could recall 2 or 3 normal dreams.

Right now was the prefect time to do fild for me. Half awake, half asleep I waited for the crucial moment to move the fingers. Next, I did a nose RC. Ok, I'm dreaming. But from this point it went wrong. I jumped out the bed to quickly. My room was covered in darkness and my vision wasn't very clear. I looked down to my hands, which were like 10-feet away from me. Anyway, I rubbed my hands together, and shouted some commands. Nothing happened. I felt the dream fading away. The light switch was on my right. I hit it a couple of times. But it didn't mather anymore, because I woke up after 2 seconds.

From now on I'll remember to do the last part of the tutorial correct. I was so close.

i know why u failers are all failing.

you are waking up between REM periods, so u cannot go back into a dream and face darkness. the trick is to estimate when u r in REM andwake up then to go back into the dream.

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Finger Induced?! :D So how long do you do that for? Till you fall very sleepy?
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You do it for 10-30 secs, but don't count.
Just guess, kinda.

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The portion of the brain called the cerebellum is responsible for all muscular movement. When we fall asleep, it switches off (so we don't physically enact our dreams) and takes on a new function, which is to store dream memories. That is why when we awake, we can stimulate dream recall by moving something such as an arm or a leg -- or a finger. By moving the finger while falling asleep, it appears that we keep a small section of the cerbellum active, which is enough to trigger lucidity. [/b]

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However, the amount of space in the cerbral cortex devoted to fingers is relatively large. Maybe moving your toes would help if one cannot fall asleep when using the fingers since toes have a much smaller region.

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That's a very nice suggestion! I have to try that!

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i know why u failers are all failing.

you are waking up between REM periods, so u cannot go back into a dream and face darkness. the trick is to estimate when u r in REM andwake up then to go back into the dream.
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The average person is in REM sleep after 4 hours of sleep (and it lasts about 20 min) but you also have REM sleep that lasts about an hour, which is between 5 and a half and 6 and a half hours of sleep.
So if you wake up after 6 hours of sleep you have the biggest chance of waking during REM. (if you're an average person :wink: )

so its every 4 hrs for 20 mins? ok cool. i thought it was the other way around

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so its every 4 hrs for 20 mins? ok cool. i thought it was the other way around
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no that's not what I said
look at the picture. The only problem is, there are many different pictures, all of them saying something different, but at least it's some kind of guide!

http://www.life-enhancement.com/images/sleepchrtnew.gif

i tried this technique over the period of a week i did the finger thing but i always feel asleep and had nothing but i might try it tonight for some reason and i'll post my resaults

i dont get it, luci

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so its every 4 hrs for 20 mins? ok cool. i thought it was the other way around
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http://www.dreamviews.com/sleepstages.php The stages of sleep are explained on this site too. Basically, you have a REM period every 90 minutes and as you sleep, the REM period gets bigger, so it can reach even 30 minutes in the morning (of course it depends on the amount of time ypu sleep; I read in LaBerge's book that by increasing your sleeping time form 6 hours to 8 hours, you double the time of REM, thus doubling your chances of having an LD).

Just my 2 cents: I try to remember to FILD whenever I awaken during the night and feel like falling asleep immediately. There is no point FILDing otherwise, might as well try WILDing if you do not feel like falling asleep immediately.

My first LD was after my first FILD experiment, also my last LD was after a FILD two nights ago. In both cases I did not feel much, but sensed hearing something - very brief tone or so (I have tinnitus, might be related to that). Two nights ago I got in a scary situation and turned suddenly and found myself in the darkness again. RC and I was able to start the LD again without waking in between. I rose from my bed again and left the bedroom 2nd time in the same LD. Does this happen to others? Often? Is it just that I assumed to be back in my bed and therefore I was?

Both times I have stabilized my dream vision by looking at my hand and rubbing them until I see clearly - this before attempting to leave the bed.

wait, so can someone explain beter the stages of sleep, in order in words? coz i dun get the pics...

You have an REM period every 90 minutes.

Your first REM period is only 5 minutes long
Your second REM period is only 10 minutes long
Your third REM period is 20 minutes long
Your fourth REM period is between 30 - 60 minutes long

Every time you get to another REM period the REM period gets longer.
So, the longer you sleep. . . the more you dream.

The other stages aren't really important to lucid dreaming. Just the REM ones.


Now you get it?

yes thank you