Thread: Stuck In Transition?

from what i've read. getting into the dream after you've reached sleep paralysis is the most difficult part of wilds. i agree with follower. i'm guessing your were probably very excited because you were so close to getting into the dream.

i'm not sure where i read this or who posted it, but i remember reading that once you get into sleep paralysis try to focus on only one of those images. once you've got it pretty vividly in your head, imagine your dream-self interacting with that object.

hope that helps. good luck

This can be a difficult part and causes me no end of grief as well. I think what you are doing is cycling back and forth between a light sleep phase and awakeness. For example, you get a pretty realistic dream fragment, your mind begins to analyze it, then BAM, it fades like the morning mist.

Next time, see if you can 'act' along with the imagery. For example, if you see the side of a building, instead of thinking "Wow, what cool HI", instead walk up to it and look at it non-critically, much like you would do when trying to get into a movie .

Good luck! Sounds like you are almost there.

wilds seem sooo cool. i wanna try them, but i'm kind of afraid of a hag. actually, im terrified. do you guys know how often they happen (i know it probably depends on the person) but on average?

I've got the same problem when I try to WILD, i see very vivid scenes and then i start thinking about it "wow this is it " and it fades away, and after a minute another scene comes and it keeps rolling that way. I can't seem to stay with that one scene and interact It'slike as fast as I notice the vivid imagery it fades.

Even tho, once i did as seeker said above

Next time, see if you can 'act' along with the imagery. For example, if you see the side of a building, instead of thinking "Wow, what cool HI", instead walk up to it and look at it non-critically, much like you would do when trying to get into a movie .[/b]

But I failed with that too, it worked for a while i could change/interact with the scenario a bit, but it faded and new imagery came

Gotta learn how to actually get into the dream. Think I've tried WILD like 15 times now or something.

Even tho, my problem is probably that i don't do a WBTB before I WILD, i try it out just at bedtime. Maybe because I'm not into REM Sleep it's much harder, but I've read it's more difficult to do it if you don't do a WBTB.

I wasn't excited when I saw the HI. I did think it was amazing, but only for the first few minutes. After that I was just waiting for scenes to form.

Seeker, I was thinking the same thing about going in and out of sleep. I would see some scenes come and I started to talk or walk toward things, but it just faded and I felt my body. Hopefully I was trying to enter the scene right, but I've never fully done it so I don't know. Do you have any examples of how you've done it in the past?

Thanks for the feedback.

Do yous have any advice on how to get my body to fell asleep... it seems if im awake it is lol

Originally Posted by Casualtie

wilds seem sooo cool. i wanna try them, but i'm kind of afraid of a hag. actually, im terrified. do you guys know how often they happen (i know it probably depends on the person) but on average?
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Why are you [size=1]'ing? That sucks and makes your post (a bit) harder to read.
To answer your question, I'm going to counter it with another question.
Why are you afraid of the Old Hag phenomenon?

1) It's not real.
2) You can't get physically harmed
3) It's all in your mind.
4) It doesn't have to be an old woman, it can be anything.
5) It's in fact just SP with "hallicunations" (I guess you can call them that).

It depends on the person. You can't really think of an average

Originally Posted by Neil

Do yous have any advice on how to get my body to fell asleep... it seems if im awake it is lol
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All I do is lay there as still as I can for a long period of time, not thinking about anything except the feeling of SP coming. I usually will start to feel heavy and then I let my mind wander. After about 10-15 minutes I realize that I'm stuck in SP, and I start to see vivid HI.

i'm using this font it hopes to make my posts unique from everyone elses. i'm sorry if it bothers you.

now that you mention it though. i guess i'm not too afraid of a hag. i just don't know what to expect from one and thats what scares me.

Originally Posted by Casualtie

i'm using this font it hopes to make my posts unique from everyone elses. i'm sorry if it bothers you.

now that you mention it though. i guess i'm not too afraid of a hag. i just don't know what to expect from one and thats what scares me.
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Well if you don't know what to expect, why are you scared?
Basically, it's Sleep Paralysis, bundled with hallicunations... for free.

You wake up, you are numb-- no, paralysed. You try to move, but you can't. It's dark. You suddenly feel an enormous amount of pressure on your chest. You see a dark shadow/figure that looks a bit like an old woman, but you can't really make out anything but the contour. You feel like you can't move, and you can't, because "she's sitting on your chest".

In all truth, it's just sleep paralysis. The fact that you want to move suddenly (because the Old Hag is sitting on you) causes that enormous amount of pressure. It's just a human phenomenon.

It's about as dangerous as lucid dreaming, and you should be scared about this as much as you are scared about LDing.

EDIT: Of course it's your call, but if you want to make your posts unique.. Why don't you give them a colour or something? Or use proper capitalisation? *Grin* A smaller font just tends to annoy.

ooooooooooh!!! thats what an old hag is? i had no idea. from the things i've read on them they sounded like, as you were laying in your bed, you see some scary thing enter the room and it comes up to you and scares the s!&@ out of you, but you cant move or scream or anything.

what you said doesn't sound that scary at all. im going to try to wild tonight then instead of fild.

You want to experience Old Hag?
I don't think you're crazy, it's just that most people rather stay away from it. Personally, I love it, as I know it's all in your head.

h377 no i dont wanna hag . i was just saying that it doesn't sound nearly as scary as what i previous thought it was. i want to try and wild because people make sleep paralysis sound really cool, and i'm kind of curious to see what kind of HIs ill get.

Maybe none. Not everybody experiences HI.

First off, Cas, while I realize it's frustrating you're having trouble stepping through the threshold of dreaming - be very thankful that you are remembering this "zone" you're stuck in. If anything, it's good practice to what I belive is going to lead you to a successful WILD.

The more practice you have on recognizing the "feeling" of balancing between awareness and dreaming, the more you'll be able to do what I think is the last step of WILD: letting go.

WILDing can be like scaling along the side of a building on a very thin ledge. You look down, you get a bit dizzy and feel like you're about to fall (that's the dream pulling you down). So, you quickly pick your head up and grab onto a brick in the wall to keep yourself steady (that's you trying to stay "aware" so you don't fall into a non-lucid). The trick is to fall, BUT land on one of them inflatable mattresses like those stunt dudes do (that would be slipping into sleep, BUT remaining aware or lucid).

So, while you're studying the HI of SP, there will be a time when you'll have to let your awareness fall. Let go of the wall and take the plunge. The hardest part is somehow staying focused on your target. I guess the closest analogy would be like guiding yourself towards the mattress on the ground AFTER you leap and not to line yourself up to the mattress before you leap.

Make any sense?

yes that makes a lot of sense and i had no idea that not everyone experiences HIs. i thought they were a "mandatory" part of wilds. i guess i should read more into this thing before i give it a try. i seem to have a lot of misconceptions on it. it sounds like it will take a lot of practice.

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Actually, I believe we all experience HI's. We simply don't recall them when we wake up. Just like some people claim they don't dream. This is why I said be thankful you're "remembering" the zone.

Originally Posted by TweaK

Maybe none. Not everybody experiences HI.
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You all make it sound like HI takes alot of effort and occurs only after SP. I get HI everytime I close my eyes and relax. I am always seeing little dream snippets passing in front of me ass I drift off to sleep. Some of the things I see are quite amazing and very vivid and the images are sometimes very sharp and focused. Is this a rare thing or is this a different form of HI? Sometimes I wonder if I could WILD before I go to sleep instead of used WBTB. I havent tried it yet because everyone says it is impossible. I'd like to know if anyone has been able to do so.

Also, I do often wake up either seeing a shadowy presence or hearing someone talking to me within the first hour of sleep. I dont if this is realted to HI, SP, or the old had but it scares the B'Jesus outta me.

Originally Posted by Tornado

First off, Cas, while I realize it's frustrating you're having trouble stepping through the threshold of dreaming - be very thankful that you are remembering this "zone" you're stuck in. If anything, it's good practice to what I belive is going to lead you to a successful WILD.

The more practice you have on recognizing the "feeling" of balancing between awareness and dreaming, the more you'll be able to do what I think is the last step of WILD: letting go.

WILDing can be like scaling along the side of a building on a very thin ledge. You look down, you get a bit dizzy and feel like you're about to fall (that's the dream pulling you down). So, you quickly pick your head up and grab onto a brick in the wall to keep yourself steady (that's you trying to stay "aware" so you don't fall into a non-lucid). The trick is to fall, BUT land on one of them inflatable mattresses like those stunt dudes do (that would be slipping into sleep, BUT remaining aware or lucid).

So, while you're studying the HI of SP, there will be a time when you'll have to let your awareness fall. Let go of the wall and take the plunge. The hardest part is somehow staying focused on your target. I guess the closest analogy would be like guiding yourself towards the mattress on the ground AFTER you leap and not to line yourself up to the mattress before you leap.

Make any sense?
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That is some of the best advice I have ever got! And it makes alot of sense. That was the problem, I just didn't just let go. I was stuck focusing on it, but trying to stay fully conscience. I was stressed about not losing conscieness.

Thanks Toranado Joe! This helps alot. I'll post if I get results.

Originally Posted by TweaK

You want to experience Old Hag?
I don't think you're crazy, it's just that most people rather stay away from it. Personally, I love it, as I know it's all in your head.
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Yeah I attempted WILD almost succesfully once too. And I experienced some REALLY FUNKY, terryfying sensations. But I loved it. As much as it was intense and scaring it was amazing and oddly overwhelming.
I guess you have to be the kind of person to enjoy utmost insanity. For instance My Wildest Scariest nightmares are also my alltime favorite dreams because they were so completely psyched out and woke me up emotionally flipped upside down still feeling completely mental. Those are experiences and moments you don't just forget.

The Intense Falling sensation I felt as I saw a very bright white light in front of me and I was trying to enter it was just overwhelming. But also very cool because they ffelt so strange. Like suddenly my bed disappeared and I was falling down into an endless chasm at 90 kilometres an hour. Also I hallucinated seeing a bright window, my livingroom window looking into my garden actually, kind of swiming by in the corner of my dark closed-eye vision. It was as though bright sunlight shone through a windowframe that was some ''space'' in front of me in the darkness. As I saw it pass my vision I felt a very unearthly, creapy feeling come over me. There's just no words for it but it was freaky, yet at the same time very very interresting so I experienced them as something Positive.
Kinda spooked me but didn't stop me.

Is that anything like Old hag?

What exactly is a Hag?

A bad WILDing experience?

No. A Hag is an old woman/witch-esque-ish-person.

An Old Hag is simply "hallucinating" while you're in SP. You can't move, and you see a dark silhou..ette...something go through your room, scaring the freaking shit out of you if you don't know what's going on. If you try to get up, but you're in SP, something happens with your brains and blood and all that, and basically because of the SP you feel a huge weight on your chest. They can also hardly breathe, if they're panicing. That's when the people think the hag is actually sitting on them, suffocating them.

It's all in your head though.

Originally Posted by Tornado

Actually, I believe we all experience HI's. We simply don't recall them when we wake up. Just like some people claim they don't dream. This is why I said be thankful you're "remembering" the zone.
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If you're ( well, at least for me ) really really tired and just go to bed, close your eyes and think about it " Hmm, HI.. " then your gonna recognize it. I think the mainproblem is that people expect something else since that's so natural to people. Everyone should've have HI since it's a way of getting yourself into trance - sleep.

But i don't know, not that into the subject, just a thought.

Originally Posted by Tornado

No. A Hag is an old woman/witch-esque-ish-person.

An Old Hag is simply "hallucinating" while you're in SP. You can't move, and you see a dark silhou..ette...something go through your room, scaring the freaking shit out of you if you don't know what's going on. If you try to get up, but you're in SP, something happens with your brains and blood and all that, and basically because of the SP you feel a huge weight on your chest. They can also hardly breathe, if they're panicing. That's when the people think the hag is actually sitting on them, suffocating them.

It's all in your head though.
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Ah, about this. I've had this one time. Before i knew what SP was, so yeah i got freaked out tried to scream/get up from bed.. Move in general but then after like ..10 seconds i black-out and i dreamt of the things i saw. Think i was low-lvld lucid there as well. Can't remember exactly though.

Very cool experience i must say!

Originally Posted by Xanous

You all make it sound like HI takes alot of effort and occurs only after SP. [/b]

You are making that out of it; I never said HI was hard to achieve. HI is something that just comes naturally, or it doesn't.

In your case, it is special. Most people don't just relax and see HI.