P&rild

alright i had my 7th ld last night. it was really cool and i even tried out some telekinesis for the first time:) the way this came about was what i call the Punishment & Reward Induced Lucid Dream (P&RILD) What u do is promise yourself a punishment if u dont have an ld that night and rewarded yourself if u have one. The punishment should be somthing you hate make sure you say it aloud. reward should be somthing you like. Like for me the punishment is Doing the Cat method (i dont like waking up early XD) reward is chocolete or mt dew. Really punish yourself if you dont get one. the next night try agian. If you do get an ld take a break from this method for a couple days and try other methods. In my opinion this method should be used to break dryspells or as a last resort. good luck! :wink:

EDIT: oh and part of the reward should be not to use this method for a couple of days. So you dont have to be threatened with your punishment. EDIT

Seems like an unusual technique. I wouldn't want to try, don't like punishing myself ;).

Have you tried this technique every time you have had a lucid?

no ive only tried it twice but it worked both times :) and i dont mean punishment like hurt yourself punishment, thats gross. im talking about a different kind like cat method or somthing that would be useful but what you reeeeaaaally dont like to do lol.

I'm taking you mean punisment like a activity that when you hear that you have to do it most people would go "uuuuuuuuugggggggggghhhhhhhh...."

yep. thats what i mean. Most of the time you dont even have to do it cause your mind gos "oh sh*t if i dont hurry and have an ld im going to have to do that!" so it gives you an ld :) the reward part just makes your mind think " hm that wasn't so bad plus i got this" it hasn't failed me yet. But giving the technique a break is very important, if you dont the reward wont be good enough for your mind to want to do it again.

So what's the 'rild' part?

P&RILD = Punish & Reward Induced Lucid Dreaming.

That's a good technique... I'm gonna try it.

I just thought of something...

what if the subconcious isnt lazy like us?

... So what if it isn't?

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then it would just make it easier lol

I don't think it would change anything, it would recognise a reward/punishment the same, whether it was lazy or not.

Anyway, back on topic. Does this P/R thing have to be practised once, to show your subconcious that you mean you'll do the punishment, or does the subconcious recognise the first time that it should give you what you want?

nope it doesnt need to be practiced ( not for me anyway) although the punishment for mine is cat method, which is waking up about 90 min earlier than normal and ive done that before. so i guess i dont know lol try it both ways. :)

I'll try this tonight, but I'd rather not do something like wake up earlier... any suggestions?

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thats the point isnt it? lol you could give yourself a couple of days the first time. like say to yourself that you have 3 days to have an ld or your going to have to (insert punishment). im in the same boat with you my friend. i hate waking up early. but i know that i will and my subconsius knows i will and doesnt make me do it :) i havent had to wake up early yet.
anyway the punishment should be somthing you would really rather not do. and the reward should be somthing that is just pure enjoyment, plus not having to do this method again.

I suppose, but I think inflicting pain might be better?

whatever works for you. but i wouldnt want to inflict pain on myself. it just seems wrong u know? like too big of a punishment.

I'd prefer being in pain than being tired all day. I know I sound like a teacher, but that could affect my GSCE Grades.

This method sounds positively AWFUL. Why don't you just give yourself a lobotomy?

This is to physically train the subconcious, not to hurt youself because you want to.

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i didnt mean for it to be painful. I came about this method when i was trying to find the right method to ld. but everything i tried didnt work. So i said to myself if this doesnt work then im going to have to start the cat method. Which is basicly waking up way early. That night i had an ld. so i was happy in the morning and rewarded myself with mt dew :). then after a week i hadnt had an ld agian so i thought that i better start the cat method again. once again that night i had an ld. so i rewarded myself. Even the cat method helps towards lding and it isnt painful at all. but that only worked for me. who knows how it would work for everyone else. sticktator says pain would probably work better for him, and although i dont entirely agree to go in such a negitive direction (my opinion) that is what would work for him. its sort of like training a kid. if they have been good reward them if they havent done what they are supposed to then they have to be punished. although if you look at it this way then its kind of bad to inflict pain. hmm...

This is mostly for men I suppose

If you don't get a lucid dream within 3 days, you won't masturbate! This is sorta silly, but it's actually not that easy to stop masturbating. I'm totally gonna try it :P

I know yeah, I went on holiday with my friends, and I couldn't do it.

>_>

Haha yeah, sure thing :-P

I might try this one day. I guess a good punishment for me would be to only drink water the entire day. No coffee, soda, juice, tea, ect. But I think I know that probably would not stick to it all day. How do you make yourself follow through with the punishment?

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i dont know, just do it i guess. of course i havent had to do my punishment yet cause the technique has worked right :wink:

Willpower, of course.

If you don't complete the punishment, you phail and your subconcious realises it doesn't have to give you what you want, because you won't punish it.

man we all sound like parents now lol

I HAVE PHAILED...

I tried it, my subconcious didn't give me a LD. Then I let myself off...

Well, it seems to have worked for me...atleast I think it did.

So, I ran up and down my mountain side for punishment yesterday. Before I went to bed last night I told myself I better have a lucid or I will add a extra punishment each time I dont. So, later I woke up at 3:30 and took some B6. I then woke up a little later and noticed I had ''Lucid dream, finally'' Wrote in my dream journal. But I do not recall any lucid dream or even writing it down last night. :?
I think my subconscience is more clever than I thought it was. Maybe my subconscience wrote it down while I was sleeping just to get out of the punishments, and try to make me believe I hade a lucid... :|
So, anyways, I'm still going to continue on with this technique to see what happens.

Nah, I don't think it's that good. But maybe. Check it again, you may have had an FA, in which "Lucid dream, finally" was written down.

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It is written in my dream journal and I also did have a FA last night. I recorded the FA in my journal that night also so I dont think that has to do with it. But since I did get some results im still going to continue and not count last night as a lucid.

Tell your subconcious not just to make you lucid, but also tell it to commit the lucid dream to memory.

well it seems to be almost working. good job

I'd rather try n easier technique then punishing myself though ;)