Wild's A No No

Man, I am trying everything with the WILD tech. It just ain't working! I have tried FILD, reverse blinking, VILD, blade5x's one and some others including my own which is just lay there and try to relax into SP without falling asleep. The only thing that has ever happened is that my body gets a bit numb and once very numb and a feeling of falling into my self a little. But no sign of dreams or any real HI. Most of the time I just lay there for ages with nothing happening then I wake up later having found I fell unconscious. Oh well, I shall keep trying.

Tom, don't worry about sleep paralyisis or hypnogogic imagery or any of that crap or nonsense. Techniques such as reverse blinking and VILD and all of that don't work for a lot of people, and distract more than they help. You don't need to get HI or SP for a WILD, and a lot of people (such as myself) don't get it usually anyway.

Read BillyBob's WILD Guide if youi haven't already. Follow that, and if you persist, you'll get there eventually.

Hey Blue, thanks for the advise. I have tried that one aswell and didn't get anywhere. However it was a long time ago and I will try again, maybe this time it will be more successful.
Thanks man

I actually nearly experienced a WILD within the last week. I believe I did, anyway. I was laying in bed one night, and I was completely aware of what was happening. Words seem to be all around me. Not spoken or written, or really heard, just there. A bit hard for me to describe. But as things went on, and I was still aware, images started forming from the words. I got excited as I knew if things went on, the images would solidify, and I would have gone from being awake to dreaming. If that happened, I knew it would be a lucid dream. At the time, I hadn't read anything about WILD. But, before things could solidify into a dream, my husband rolled over, put his arm around me, and snapped me out of it.

I tried a couple of other nights since then to do it again, without sucess, so I decided to not try. I'm personally just working more on dream recall at this point and letting what happens happen. I've read a lot here that trying too hard can sabotage things from happening. I don't know much about these things, but I'm sure if you relax and not try to force it, it may happen to you. I didn't even know a thing about it when it nearly happened to me.

Again, I don't know much about this. You can ignore me if you think I'm just full of hot air. :)

Hey gyerenfeli, that does sound sort of WILDish. I think it is slightly different for everyone but what you explained seems pretty much it.
I aslo think you are correct about not trying so hard. That is somthing that is is prolly stopping me a bit. But it gets a bit frustrating after a while without anything happening. Actually, come to think of it, I have indeed progressed quite a bit. Before I started trying to LD I didn't even get to the point where I was all numb and fuzzy. I love the idea of LDing, especially WILDing so I will keep trying.

adjust your wbtb. mine works best if i go to sleep at 10 and wake up at 2:15.

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adjust your wbtb. mine works best if i go to sleep at 10 and wake up at 2:15.
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WBTB simply sends me to sleep. Even when I get up for a while and go down stairs to eat and drink. I can't seem to concentrate when getting back in bed.

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Originally Posted by Tom_Peace

WBTB simply sends me to sleep. Even when I get up for a while and go down stairs to eat and drink. I can't seem to concentrate when getting back in bed.[/b]

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Whoa whoa whoa whoa WHOA.

WHOA.

Hold up Tom, are you saying you try to WILD first thing when you go to bed rather than later once you've gotten 4+ hours' sleep? Well, no WONDER you're lying there for ages with nothing happening. You NEED to get some sleep first, so that when you try it, you're a little sleepy! You NEED to actually be able to physically fall asleep and go into REM fairly soon!

Ok, look, it isn't as though I never try my WILDs after some hours of sleep. It is just that every time I wake up and then try to get back to WILDing I end up falling unconscious. It takes a few mins but then I am out of it.
I must admit that I haven't tried to WILD that often when waking up and not moving. But those times that I did I simply fell asleep even faster.
The only time I have got into the further stages of SP is when I have tried to do so before sleeping first. But then I get no further or I fall unconscious. This also takes me AGES to get anywhere.
I do believe that WILDing is the right method for me and I am going to stick with it.
I greatly appreciate your help, guys. I feel a bit stuck at the moment with all this.

Follower, if I wake up and keep my eyes shut as you suggest, how can I stop my self from falling unconsious? I mean why would I 'WILD in a few seconds' instead of falling unconsious in a few seconds?
I will give it a try but I am having a hard time finding that balance between staying alert and relaxing into sleep.

Last night I tryed out both of Billybob's methods. I managed to count up to like 400 and nothing was happening, my body went pretty numb but it felt as though I wasn't going any further. Then my arm really really started to hurt. I tryed to ignore it but I couldn't. I had to move as the pain got worse. I have felt that pain before, the first time I tryed to WILD and I stayed too alert for far too long, like 2 hours. I get the idea that WILDs should be quite quick and natural, not keeping you up all nigh long getting stressed out.
Ok, Blue, Follower. I will try the WBTB thing tonight and keep me eyes shut and all that. I will tell you how I get on.
Thanks guys

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Originally Posted by Follower;

Don't be frustrated... If you cannot WILD it usually means that you're trying too hard.

You don't need ages, you don't need SP. You see, you are trying hard, and as you as trying hard you won't be able to relax enough neither you body or your mind. That's a vicious circle.

You won't fall unconscious in a few seconds, coz you won't have enough time to fall unconscious :) That's all.
This is a natural way, many people discover WILDing\OBEing this way, for some reason it does work.
And one last thing. I don't know what YOU do when trying to WILD, you imagine a picture and wish to enter it? Anyway, if all imagery is suddenly gone, don't give up. In this case you might be prone to OBE-like way of WILDing and will feel vibrations. Just continue waiting.
This really is an easy method, it doesn't require any effort on your part. But don't expect it to work at once, you'll very likely wake up too excited and thinking at least a few first times :)
I wish you luck. Hope there'll be one more WILDer around soon.
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Aye aye, I prolly am trying too hard. I will give it a go tonight and not expect too much so I can relax.

What I do when trying to WILD is to lay there and do nothing! I don't get a picture in my head and try to enter it because I am never at a point where I feel remotely like I am about to go into a dream. I just end up waiting for something, anything to happen. The most that does happen is I get very numb all over, but thats it. I don't get any noticable HI or sounds or anything. The whole time I am usually aware of all the ambient sounds around me, the road outside, people down stairs etc. I just feel awake, laying still with a bit of a numb body. Not much else!
I will try your method.
Thanks, man :)

Good luck with this. I do hope you are able to suceed at this. And maybe some of the things I've read in here will help with my quest for lucidity. Once I start getting a good night's sleep again. My toddler has been keeping me awake too much, and I've been too tired to try anything but getting as much sleep as I can at night.

I will keep reading in here, awaiting news of your progress. :wink:

Hi Tom:

Most people (including myself) never succeed at WILD, so don't feel bad about it. The BIG PROBLEM is there isn't ANY specific technique that consistently works well for most people. WILD, FILD, SILD, VILD whatever... They seem to work well for some people but not for most.

THE ONLY SOLUTION is to keep trying different techniques until you find something that consistently works well for you. But be warned, this may take years. Seriously, unless you have a natural talent, lucid dreaming can be a lifetime quest. Sorry, but that's the truth. Despite what the "gurus" say, lucid dreaming is not an easy path for most people.

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Originally Posted by Tom_Peace

Aye aye, I prolly am trying too hard. I will give it a go tonight and not expect too much so I can relax.[/b]

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This might be the case. IT may be of interest to you that ALL THREE of my successful WILDs have been at times when insteqd of trying really hard like I usually do, I've just gone to bed after a bout of sleeplessness around 4am and thought "Ahhh, fuckit, let's try a WILD, I don't have anything to lose".

gyerenfeli, I hope you too can advance a step more. All this stuff can be hard work town but I think the best thing to do is not to expect it to happen (which I have been doing a lot, I now realise) but KNOW it will eventually and just relax into it. Let it come when we are ready.

ZenVortex, I am indeed trying lots of techniques but I am getting the picture that MY OWN technique is the only one that will work for me. I just have to choose it and create it. I am however in this for life, I looooooooooooooooove LDing (Well the idea of it, anybarn, as I have only really had one and a quarter and they were more like half lucid dreams. :P )

Blue, that is interesting. I am going to be relaxed city about all this from now on. :)

Last night, I did it!

I lay in bed with my aromatherapy eye mask on to help my eyes relax closed (I'd been having problems with that lately). After a while, I saw an image of being on some sort of platform that is described in detail in my dream journal. As I started to walk around, it faded to black. I forced the dream to come back, which it did. I started moving again, got a little further, and it faded again. I willed it back again, got a little further again, then it faded for good.

It wasn't much, and I wasn't able to do any control over it over making it come back those first couple of times, but even that is progress. I was at least able to manipulate the images and make them stay for a little while. Last time (the first time) it dissipated before the images really formed.

I do hope to hear of your success at getting this. And I hope you don't mind me sharing mine from last night in here.

man, gyerenfeli, that's cool!!!!!!!!!& #33;
Beautiful! I love to hear people come successful with all this, it re-enforces my belief that I can and will do it soon.
gyerenfeli, by all means please post anything you want in here. I'm easy like Sunday morning. I love knowing how others are getting on, LDing and otherwise. :)

I tried last night and the night before. Once, came verty close. WILD is "touch-and-go" though. A lot of times I'll do everything right, and get so close. but something will hold me back from throwing myself into the transition. Never can figure out what. Insufficient sleep paralysis perhaps? I dunno. But, yeah. Don't try to hard, Tom. The best mentality with which to attempt WILD is a sort of "Ehhhh, I don't have work tomorrow, so fuckit, I'll lie down and see what happens and if it doesn';t work out, I'll just eat some chocolate to make myself feel better" attitude.

right on!

After reading over your posts here I can see some reasons your failing your WILDs:

3) Your using other peoples techniques. (you already stated this one yourself, but I'll go over it again anyway)

With things concerning the human mind (LDing techniques, ways of concentrating better, going to sleep faster, etc...) its best to use "tutorials" and "guides" as a rough starting points. Though tutorials on WILDing do work for some people, nothing works for everyone. take the main points of the articles and mold them into a technique that fits you personally. At its core WILD only has a few hardset rules:

a) Don't move at all

b) Get your body to the most relaxed state possible

c) try to still your mind to a point where only one thought exists (this can be your breathing, a vivid picture of something, a tactile sensation... basicly anything thats extremely repetitive and unchanging)
All that really matters is that you only have a single unchanging thought in your mind throughout the entire WILD.

d) never think about what your going to do when you make it into the dream world (stop thinking about it when you lay down and say "i'm WILDing now")

Those 4 rules are the only things you have to worry about when WILDing. tutorials are just suggestions on things to concentrate on, ways of relaxing, and peoples personal thoughts before, during, and after WILDing.

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other things you might not have known (most of these I just know from experience, they may not apply to everyone.):

a) You should have a steady sleep schedule, sleeping 8 hrs a night for at least 3 days before you WILD

b) you shouldnt eat anything after you wake up in the middle of the night for the WILD (no sugar, no meat, nothing eccept maybe some extremely dark cocoa (very low sugar chcolate)

c) don't drink anything but water and maybe a couple gulps of soda before WILDing.

d) don't try to WILD when the suns up

e) make sure theres absolutely 0 ambient noise around you during your WILD (earplugs reccomended)

f) don't watch TV before you WILD (unless its adult entertainment, which may wake you up faster)

g) don't drink alcohol, smoke pot, or use sleeping pills the day before you WILD


Good luck with your WILD :)

(sorry about spelling, spellchecker isnt working atm :()

Hi BillyBob:

More good stuff. Sounds like you figured it out. A similar technique is WILD re-entry after waking up from a dream. You wake up from a dream, then keep absolutely still and focus on the last dream scene you remember. I've had some success with this after waking up from LDs. The main thing is to keep absolutely still, because the last thing you need is to activate the cerebellum, which is responsible for storing dream memories when you are asleep.