Early Rem Easier To Maintain?

I know REM periods are supposed to get longer and longer as the morning goes on... however, I think early REM periods may be easier to maintain then the later ones, even if they are shorter. This might help those who's lucids seem to end right after they begin. It's also a good way to practice WILDs/FILDs. Any sort of induced lucid that is the first dream from the waking state. This doesn't really apply to DILDs because those can happen at any time.

My reason is think about it like this, after sleeping a certain amount of time:

3-4 hours: You should still be very tired. Your body still wants sleep, there's no denying that. If you go lucid during this time, I would think that it would to maintain lucidity, simply because your body has intention to stay asleep for another few hours. One WILD I recall, I felt so into the dream. To even test it out, I got myself excited, felt myself breathing rapidly, but the dream environment stayed completely stable. My longer lucids, which seem up to 5-15 minutes estimated real time, have taken place at this time.

7+ hours: Your body has already recieved a sufficient night's sleep. You've gone through a few REMs by now, and most likely, you'll be at a light sleep stage. Things like mild excitement, or small noises from the real world environment might be enough to end a lucid, or cause you to wake up from a non-lucid. For me, at this point, the average lucid seems to be 1-5 minutes long estimated real time. Big difference for me.

I know all REMs technically count as Stage 1 sleep, however, I believe there is a huge difference between how deep into the sleep you are in the early morning REMs over the late morning ones. And you might just end up having longer real time lucid dreams early on, then later on when you are really are on the border of sleep and awake.

I've never had a LD, but as far as just remembering my dreams I seem to remember the earlier REM ones. If I wake up at 3:00, I'll remember dreams I had, but when I fall back asleep I don't remember any later ones. It might just be that I'm waking up during a REM period though.

you know what we should do? we should just go to sleep. and wake up right before our first rem period. the first rem is what? 90 min in? we should wake up 85 min into sleeping and then we would only have to wild for 5 min! :) im going to try this... and like you said blade, we would be really tired so your body isnt going to be in a rush to interupt your dream or your wild.

thanks for the idea! :D

so if i wake like 90 mins after fallin asleep to do a FILD, it would be better?

I find that if I become lucid in after sleeping more than 7 hours, I tend to wake up easily.

But lucids in first REM periods also tend to be short and imagery of lower quality.

On weekends I try WBTB after 5 to 6 hours of sleep. At this point REM periods are longer and for me better quality imagery. At this time I am still sleepy enough to stay in LD.

But my longest LD was a WILD at 3:00 am.

but you can make the imagery better by spinning and rubbing hands and all those things, oh and yelling lucidity X 10000, or is that just to prolong dreams?

I think it works for both. If you lose lucidity you go back into regular dreaming, so increasing lucidity would increase the dream length as well.

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Originally Posted by Asclepius

I find that if I become lucid in after sleeping more than 7 hours, I tend to wake up easily.

But lucids in first REM periods also tend to be short and imagery of lower quality.

On weekends I try WBTB after 5 to 6 hours of sleep. At this point REM periods are longer and for me better quality imagery. At this time I am still sleepy enough to stay in LD.

But my longest LD was a WILD at 3:00 am.
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I left out 5-6 hours (notice the time gap) because most of my attempts are either early, or late if I'm to lazy to try it when my alarm goes off. If my alarm goes off in 5-6 hours it's because I have to get up and go somewhere.

That's good to know though.

The only thing different to me right now about concious lucids that come early are that they tend to be really wierd. Half the time they end up taking place somewhere I've never been before. And if they take place at somewhere that's familiar, it's all different and odd, but pretty cool ;)

The point of this post is to try and avoid having to fight your way into pro-longing the dream, and finding the sweet-spot for where lucids are naturally longer, but also at a point where you are still sleeping heavily enough that excitement, and possibly other light real-world disturbances will not wake you up.

Ok, here's some results

Went to bed at 1AM, probably fell asleep at 1:30AM or so.

Cell goes off a 5AM. I remember having a very long non-lucid before I woke up. I was way to tired to even be able to focus on attempting a WILD, so I fell asleep shortly after, had another very long non-lucid recalled when I woke up again at 7:30AM.

Went to class. Came back at 9:00AM, was back in bed in bed by 9:30AM for a nap, and pulled off a successful WILD. I was just beginning it. About 30 second into it I start examining my hands to increase lucidity. But something just didn't feel right. I walk outdoors, excepting things to pretty vivid, when as soon as I walk out, the light hits my dream eyes, everything goes white and I wake up! WTH! I should have checked if it was a FA though because I went back to sleep and had a relatively short non-lucid. So damn short it was. Will try to pull-off a 5AM WILD, and then a 7:30AM WILD, and then a 9AM WILD tomorrow morning (will go to sleep arond 1-2AM)

whats an FA?

false awakening.
Ya DREAM that you wake up, and everything seems normal, but it's really just a fake reality ^_^

oh yea. thx bout that.