$522? LaBerge you filthy capitalist!

:o I've been waiting for a month now for novadreamers to be in stock, but searching on the web for an idea for the price (fully expecting it to be about £50) I find an order form with $522 printed on it! And that's not even with the software!

I know it's an excellent thing, but sparked by the recent $20 article, I think Stephen LaBerge, who I have fully respected until now, is stepping a fine line here.

What must cost no more than $40 to manufacture... thats a profit margin of over 1200%.

I fear now I will never get a NovaDreamer.

Time to get a Maplin catalogue...

What are your feelings on this?

This thing isnt even halfway perfect! I dont know about guarantee.

In another LD forum, I've read that people are afraid to sleep in it cause it's so flimsy...

It's definitely overpriced.

I don't know if I could even sleep with one of those things on my head anyway!

Forget about REM detectors, I'm just gonna get a sleep mask, gut it, fit it with a AAA battery holder, a thing to turn the circuit on and off for the LEDs to flash, and connect two red LEDs to the circuit. It may not work, it may drive you to insanity, and it may squirt battery acid all over your eyes (here's hoping it does not - probably put some sheilding on it...) but it isn't going to cost $522....

...sayiong that I probably will buy a NovaDreamer in a few years time if my lucid drams are not as frequent as I would like them then...

Yeah I don't agree with the Nova Dreamer. Its something about adding devices with attaining Lucidity that Im against anyway. I think it should be some natural and self induced. Anyone can flash a light in front of you during REM Sleep and maybe or maybe not you would catch it. I think it's all a waste of time. The time a person spends trying to capture it this way they can go through the simple steps of Recall and Signs to capture Lucidity the natural way.

From the beginning of everything(yes I watched the earth come into existence =P) I always said:

Novadreamer and the like are pieces of junk that belong on the garbage heap =P

You can do it all naturally, dont waste your money I'd say :)

Looks like it's pretty unanimous...

So there LaBerge, if that is your real name, you dastardly plan has failed yet again!

Wow, that thing is very overpriced. Although, you have to consider whether or not the money is going to a good cause. I mean, it wouldn't hurt to have a few lucid laser equipped LaBerge Class Death Stars orbiting the planet now would it?

I've been taking to my physics tutor and now have a fully working plan that costs £8 (work that out in dollars yourself, i'm lazy) and that's with a contingency of £3. It is centred on a NE555N timer chip and a suitable potential divider, and hasn't got any REM detection because what's the point in that anyway? If the LEDs don't wake you up, why can't it just go on all night? I suspect it will eat batteries though...

I have never heard that they work. If they worked. Maybe. Even then it would be hard to justify.
He has been somewhat of a pioneer in the 70's for LD's. Maybe he is trying to recoop some of his research expenses. :whyme:

Perhaps, but he would have recuperated them many times over now.
Anybody have an idea about the number of Novedreamers distributed? How sucessful is it?

Don't get it. It is a waste of money and time.
You can LEARN IT ON YOUR OWN.

Yeah, dont buy your lucidity, achieve it on your own. Its not just the lucidity itself, becoming lucid, training, etc is an enlightening process... (Its hard to make it not sound like some religious/spiritual thing this way :| )

I disagree with your 'natural is best' mentality. Were living in the age of machines. Would you really want this bulletin board to be an actual bulletin board (you know those chipboard things). LIDs (lucid induction devices) make life easier, so whats wrong with them?

Thing is - by using machine to induce lucidity, you dont get the "attaining lucidity" skill.
So if for some reason your will not be able to use the device, you will not become lucid...

for example you rely on novadreamer, but get into jail and decide to continue with LD"s . tough luck. You have to start learning it all over again.

I wanted to try La Berge's device but didn't want to risk the cash so I built my own device. I got a couple of ultra-bright flashing red LED's from Maplin electronics shop and the appropriate resistors for a quid (you need reisistors otherwise you will blow the LEDs). The LEDs flash on their own about once a second without needing an extra circuit. I wired them across a plug-in transformer unit (like what you use to charge your mobile phone). That was a fiver. Then plugged that into a multi-event electronic plug-in timer. You get these from DIY/hardware shops for timing security lights when you are away on holiday. Total cost about £14.

I set the timer to switch on for 1 minute every 10 minutes about an hour before my alarm goes off. I stuck the LEDs to the wall just above my bed pointing down so they are in my eye line.

Tried it for a while but it kept waking me up consistently. Will try it again some time. Won't buy the NovaDreamer thing until this works.

What exactly is the Nova Dreamer? Sounds overpriced if its to help dreams and its 500$...

its a mask, with REM detectors so that when you go into REM sleep it will flash the lights and hopefully the flashing will be incorporated into the dream and you will see it as a dreamsign and will become lucid.

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for example you rely on novadreamer, but get into jail and decide to continue with LD\"s . tough luck. You have to start learning it all over again.

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Not to mention how difficult it's going to be trying a WILD while you're getting your salad tossed.

Feh..I know something else almost like this that came wih one of my friends halloween costumes..O.o..She bought a alien costume and it came with glasses that had flashing lights inside them for the alien eyes effect..O.o..It took 1 AA battery and it could run for about 4 days straight..(she left it runnning..xD)

Reading the book Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming, it also seem as this device will end up waking you up anyways...

@bonzer,

Did you have any luck with your own home-made device?
It would be interesting to see...

Overpriced? Yes. Bad concept? No.

If you sleep by your computer/have a laptop. Just get a lucid dream program that flashes the monitor/plays a sound for you at pre-set times. Easy and free.